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post Jan 1 2005, 06:27 PM
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I'm just wondering if anyone here is interested in philosophy. I was actually a philosophy major in college and also was a divinity student in grad school. I'm very rusty now, but still enjoy reading in philosophy. I've been getting back into linguistic philosophy as well as brushing up on logic again.

Any other amature philosophers out there? In a sense, anime is all about philosophical thinking and is one of the reasons I enjoy it so.


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post Jan 1 2005, 06:33 PM
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Hmm... I guess I am into philosphy even though I have never picked up a book or got educated on it. Yeah, anime really is philosophical. Also, the Matrix series is very philosophical. I am interested in philosophy and like to think I can understand basics and try to come to some conclusions on the matter.


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The matrix was a great example of philosophy. An example of the classic brain in a vat problem. It's still quite possible that we are in fact hooked up to a supercomputer somewhere and have no real physical world out there. Does it matter? Can it be proved that we are not in a Matrix style world?

I've always found those to be interesting questions.


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post Jan 1 2005, 06:42 PM
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well, i intended to take AP Literature this year in high school, but my schedule ended up shafting me into AP Language. which is pretty much a lot of writing and a lot of philosophy reading and a lot of philosophy discussion. a lot of it's over my head, but it's really interesting. so far we've read some aristotle, plato, socrates, spinoza, leibnitz, descartes, hume, berkeley, russel...actually, pretty much all of the guys on the "philosophical powers" page in your sig. laugh.gif i saw that and started cracking up (hume's pants are the missing shade of blue!) and i sent it to some people in my class, and one of them ended up e-mailing the link to my Lang teacher. tongue.gif too bad they don't actually make those.


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My favorite action figure is Ferocious Frege with morning star and evening star accessory smile.gif.

It's all about philosophy of reference in language. It's obvious the two statements are different:

1. '2+2=4'
2. '2+2=2+2'

There was a question as to how these statements are in fact different.


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LOL, LMAO... Oh, Sorry. I just thought I was crazy before, but now someone besides me actually thinks that that movie is plausible or even probable. I dared not to ask anyone if they agreed with me for fear of ridicule. I think it does matter. I wanna be free damn it. How do you explain DeJa Vu? or How sometimes people dream and then it happens exactly as it happens(does that count as de je vu?) Unless we are being fed information from a higher power? I think it can be proved.

I wondered if the wachowskis are freed humans from the machine world we all live in. They hacked into the Matrix(or whatever we are hooked up to) to try and save us. But they couldn't wake us up by telling us straight foreword because they would draw too much attention from the machines. So they created a movie (the Matrix) as a message and hoped, that even if just a few, some people would realize the truth. If you read the Animatrix thread, a lot of people didn't understand it. Many of the episodes are about ways to free your mind. If we are linked to a network, those would be the first things I would do to try to free myself.


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post Jan 1 2005, 06:52 PM
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Well; as you said, I'm just an "amature philosopher". I have studied philosphy for two years in the high school. I like to undestand the meaning of the existence in terms of the philosophy; my favourite part of this studies are the metaphysics studies as those that were done by Heidegger.


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In classical literature, you have some who would say that the entire physical world is in the mind of God. In other words, we are just minds that have no actual interaction with the world, but that God interacts with us "tricking" us to believe that we are in a physical world.

George Berkeley was one who believed this stating that to be is to be perceived. In other words, in order for something to exist in the physical world, someone must be 'experiencing' it. Since no one can experience everything at all times, you then have God perceive everything. So the cause of Berkeley's death was divine neglect tongue.gif


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Everyone thinks hell is a physical state of fire and torture... Hmmm, I disagree. I think it is a mental state where your greatest fears and anxieties happen in your consciousness. I mean, if you are a soul and leave your physical state, how would be tortured in that same way? Same goes for heaven I think but vice versa. Your heavenly rewards will be great. I kinda think God is just a mental mass. To be his thoughts. When we die and go to heaven or hell, we are not going to be placed somewhere else, we will be in the recesses of his mind, his memories. God writes everything you do and stone and won;t forget them, so he knows what your fears and pleasures are.


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I love Philosophy. I willing read stuff by classic philosophers and am dubbed "crazy" by my friends because of it. Questioning life and virtue and many other things . . . I find those subjects quite fascinating.

arche, you could help me with my Philosophy course work. mellow.gif I would love that. I'm planning on taking Logic this semester, and don't really know what to expect.


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I'm also crazy in that I read it for fun smile.gif.

Anyway, logic is essential to doing proper philosophy. People don't often realize how technical philosophy is. 20th century philosophy has taken a linguistic turn, which requires an understanding of logic and ability to think more technically (although philosophy has always been pretty technical anyway).

Logic is basically the study of reasoning. It's a formal study that analyzes what makes arguments valid or invalid. The heart of classical logic are the basic "rules" of logic. These are in a sense self evident and if denied, cause a lot of problems with reasoning. From these, you move into formal and informal structures of propositions.

1. Snow is white or not white

#1 has the form p v ~p (v=or). This statement is always true in all possible worlds. So, any statement of the form p v ~p must always be true.

2. Snow is white and not white

#2 has the form p & ~p. This one is false in all possible worlds. So anything that takes this form must be false.

That's just a small sample of logic. At it's more advanced levels, logic gets into set theory and even into mathmatical logic. But, knowing the structure of arguments and basic logic is enough to understand philosophy properly.


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i am pretty confused...but it sounds interesting lol laugh.gif


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How would it be both white and not white? yeah... I'm in the same boat as Cloud tongue.gif


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post Jan 2 2005, 11:33 AM
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Ive been thinking alot about this stuff being that my ap earth science and my ap theology are right after eachother. None of you have really mentioned all of the scientifical evidence of evolution or anything along those lines. I too am also very much into philosophy and the way of thinking but none if it addresses science, like its almost scared of it. Its just so hard to believe in something and at the same time be watching and learning about the contradiction of it. I believe that if we are just a state of mind or in a fake world being projected by god, that we would be able to do the impossible just like in the matrx.
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"snow is white and not white" is a false statement. It can't be true can it?

As far as science, theology and philosophy, there is a lot there. I won't get into it all, but I will say that science is based on philosophical interpretive theory. In other words, to come up with an empirical method used by science, one must determine what can and cannot be known and also whether that which is known can be interpreted properly.

You have to deal with these issues before you get into the mechanics of a scientific law/theory and whether it contradicts/conflicts with theology/philosophical outcome. Philosophy of Science is a very interesting field as it helps to humble scientific thought as science is not technically as "hard" as we'd all like to think. There's a lot of assumptions in the methodology there tongue.gif. But, many are willing to accept those assumptions because they work - or are pragmatic.

I'd get more into it, but I'm not up to it right now. One thing to note, however, is that a PhD is an abbreviation of Doctor of Philosophy. Therefore, when someone earns a PhD, they have studied their subject to the highest extent, philosophically smile.gif. It is why philosophy has historically been the queen of the sciences along with theology.


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