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post Nov 29 2004, 07:05 PM
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Communists, eh? biggrin.gif Well, that makes sense, since most of us here are Asian.


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post Nov 29 2004, 07:09 PM
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QUOTE(Quistis88 @ Nov 29 2004, 07:05 PM)
Communists, eh?  biggrin.gif  Well, that makes sense, since most of us here are Asian.

Quisty-sempai... *pouts* Bacon's implying mean things about my results... I was too bored to read what my results mean... do you know?


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It could mean that you're a strict person or something. I apologize for knowing close to nothing about politics and political terminology. I can barely distinguish left-wing from right. *sighs* I'm a failure . . .

But by Maoist, he's speaking of Mao Tse-Tung. He was, to put it simply, a communist.


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I studied Communist history in my 11th grade class...and I hated it... history has always been one of best subjects; after I studied Communism, it plummeted to the lowest grade.. T_T...

And, yeah, I guess I have strict morals... they're plain and simple:

1.Anti-abortion
2.Anti-premarital ***
3.Anti-homosexual rights

I apologize if I've offended anyone... but tihs is what I stand for. smile.gif


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post Nov 29 2004, 07:22 PM
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Anti-gay rights, eh?

Now I'm anticipating a catfight between you and Vael... That should be fun. laugh.gif


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Oh shut up, sweetheart... tongue.gif


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I'm anti-premarital as well, but a little more neutral about the other two, especially with the issue of abortion. I've always been the pro-life type, but ever since the ethics class I'm in covered the arguments regarding pro-choice, I now find that logically, there are times when abortion isn't necessarily wrong. But I still question that.

Learning messes me up. sad.gif


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Life is seldom black & white... it's a lot of grey... it's all grey, really.

I just hope for your sake, blingy, that you never find yourself in a position where you have to do something that contradicts your beliefs.


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Bacon: Is that a threat, darling? tongue.gif

Quisty-sempai: I understand what you're talking about... I've been studying ethics since 10th grade and they do bring up those abortion problems that seriously pull heart-strings... One of them was: "The mother will die if the baby isn't aborted. What do you, if you are the doctor?" I was like, oh screw it...

However, my reasons for being anti-abortion lies in the fact that I am anti-premarital... [Okay, so I joke alot about hentai, but seriously now...]

I hate people who have s3x and then don't want to face the consequences of having a child. They're murdering a potential human being. Can you accept that? It's as insane as uprooting a seed underground because you say that it hsn't blossomed into a flower. Well, duh, it hasn't blossomed... it isn't "time" for it yet; same thing goes for the unborn child...


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QUOTE(Bling_bling_Angel @ Nov 30 2004, 02:33 AM)
Bacon: Is that a threat, darling? tongue.gif

Quisty-sempai: I understand what you're talking about... I've been studying ethics since 10th grade and they do bring up those abortion problems that seriously pull heart-strings... One of them was: "The mother will die if the baby isn't aborted. What do you, if you are the doctor?" I was like, oh screw it...

However, my reasons for being anti-abortion lies in the fact that I am anti-premarital... [Okay, so I joke alot about hentai, but seriously now...]

I hate people who have s3x and then don't want to face the consequences of having a child. They're murdering a potential human being. Can you accept that? It's as insane as uprooting a seed underground because you say that it hsn't blossomed into a flower. Well, duh, it hasn't blossomed... it isn't "time" for it yet; same thing goes for the unborn child...

Not a threat. But it should be noted that abortions were much more common in the U.S. during supposedly pro-life administrations [Reagan, Bush I, Bush II] than during pro-choice ones over the last 25 years... Something to think about.

But what if a girl gets knocked up as a result of rape? What's she supposed to do then? Pregnancy isn't something to take lightly. It's 9 months you spend with your life literally turned upside down, followed by 36 hours of horrid pain. Do you think a woman should be forced to endure that for a child it wasn't her choice to conceive?

Abortions should be safe, available and rare.


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This one abortion debate I once went to outside of classes talked of potentiality as well, and a philosopher there stated that "just because it WILL BE, does NOT mean that IT IS now." Which makes sense to certain extents.

And there are cases of rape (EDIT: which Bacon mentioned) in which the child was unwanted, and therefore has no right to depend on the mother, and can be aborted, so on and so forth. Whereas if two people consent to acts of intercourse, only then is it not right to abort the fetus. Complicated as heck if you delve deeper into the issue with more philosophical theories, I can say that much.

There are also notions which state that if the developing child did not have to be in the womb for 9 months and was instead 1 hour only (like developing film!), then abortion might be taken a little more lightly.


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You guys are both right about the rape issue... I'mma think about a comeback for that one...

And, yes, Bacon... so-called pro-life dynasties never really work... the power to stop it don't belong to the government, but to the woman who will use her heart as well as head...

Okay, I got it: it isn't the child's fault that he/she is concieved by rape... juss because of that, does that poor child have to die? Is it his/her fault? Will you not give the child a chance? How heartless can you get? The child already has the stain of shame upon it; will you further it by murdering his/her only chance to change his/her future? Think about it...

But, for the girl, that would be hella ticked off... giving birth to a child you never wanted to get, through rape. But then, didn't her mother--and all mothers--go through with the pain? If I was her, I'd buck up and deal with it. Pain is an inevitable essence of life... huh.gif


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Death is an inevitable part of life, too. And it doesn't spare those in utero, either. A lot of women suffer miscarriages, and a lot of women can't have children at all.

Being pro-choice isn't about being pro-abortion. It's about making sure a woman has the option of having one if she gets placed in a situation where having a child will ruin her life.

I'm not trying to sway opinions... just justifying my own position.


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QUOTE(What @ no bacon?,Nov 29 2004, 08:49 PM)
Being pro-choice isn't about being pro-abortion. It's about making sure a woman has the option of having one if she gets placed in a situation where having a child will ruin her life.

That's absolutely correct, Bacon.

As well, the way I see it, how pro-life really kind of originated was from the argument that:

Every human being has a right to life.
An unborn child is a human being.
Therefore, an unborn child has a right to life.
Thus abortion should never be performed.

But there are arguments which claim that an unborn child in its fetal state isn't really considered a human being until a certain number of weeks/days into the pregnancy (if I can remember my biology correctly). So that would make the above argument unsound, however valid it may be.

And regarding the pain factor, I've heard that there are mothers nowadays who choose to have C-sections even when they don't need to, simply because they want to minimize the pain involved. I am quite against that, as it appears so lazy and selfish. In my opinion, the mother/child bond is strong partly because of the amount of pain the mother had to go through in order to give birth to the child.


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Well put, Bacon... [gosh, you're getting better than ColdAsIce with debates...]

But shouldn't death come naturally? Not by some pincer-holding doctor...

Yeah, you're right about the child pretty much ruining the mother's life... but, aside from rape, can you call that justifiable? Like what Quisty-sempai said? It's wrong and pretty much selfish... juss because of inconvenience, you're gonna murder a child... horrible! sad.gif

That's like saying you wanna kill the person standing in front of you in a line juss cuz he's blocking you're view... insane, isn't it? [although, I do threaten people who won't get out of my way, laugh.gif ]


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