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black~hayate
post Apr 23 2009, 11:12 PM
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Wow O____o I dunno Japanese. How exciting, a Japanese...umm..boy at the forums, welcome ^^)
Yeah, what's welcome on Japanese?


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post Apr 23 2009, 11:26 PM
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black~hayate-who's girl in forum??
welcome - irassyai(when someone entered in the shop)
- irassyaimase(formal version of irassyai)
- hajimemasite(usually means "nice to meet you")


c'mon guys, just post the word/s you want to learn and I will translate if for you...
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post Jul 1 2010, 04:48 PM
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~ Grammar: Anime Or Animes? ~

Poll: Which plural form is correct in your opinion?

Anime, or animes?

(Result)
Anime: 7
Animes: 0

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So, this has been nagging at me for a while, and it's late, and if there's a time to make pointless (and stupid) threads it's in the middle of the night. I've heard that the word anime is derived from a French term for animation; the Japanese allegedly imported this term into their vocabulary during the 70ies when French animation was hot in Japan (Wikipedia suggests this as well, but also says it's believed to simply be an abbreviation of the Japanese word for animation).

Anyway, whether it stems from French or Japanese, the problem remains: the word is still a short form for animation.

And while animation in plural becomes animations, people only seem to use one form of the word anime, the singular form, even when talking about it in plural. Which has me confused! Is this really the right way to use the word? I have my doubts.

I feel inclined to say "these are some great animes" rather than "these are some great anime".

How do you say it? Which way is the grammatically correct?

And with this, I bid you good night.


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post Jul 1 2010, 08:38 PM
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First: Have a good night's sleep!

Second: "Anime" is the correct spelling whether in plural or singular form. "Anime" derived from the english word "animation", but in Japan you do not say, for example, you don't say "Aru nekos ga iru!" you say "Aru neko ga iru (there are cats)". And even though "anime" derived from "animation" it is not an English word and therefore does not abide to English rules.

I'm pretty sure "Watashi wa sorera no anime daisuki! (I love those anime!)" makes more sense to a Japanese person rather than "Watashi wa sorera no animes daisuk!"
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post Jul 2 2010, 02:42 AM
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So lacking knowledge of the Japanese language was the culprit here ^^U Thanks for putting an end to that.

I actually expected this to be the reason since the word yet again is directly taken from another language, even if my post heavily implies otherwise XD

But, despite what I feel, I guess all foreign words aren't "Englishified", especially since in this case it's is a specific term we're dealing with. *Is neither a linguist or a native English speaker, by the by*


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post Jul 2 2010, 04:30 AM
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^ I think it also depends on how far along that "Englishification" is going with that particular Japanese word, and with that particular individual who is using that word. Yes, in Japanese language, as Carmencita kindly posted above, the plural forms of most nouns are still the same, but... once the word gets "Englishified" I see/hear people adding "s" at the end for the plural forms of these words. For example, sometimes people say "I ate Sushis last night" or calling two Sumo wrestlers "Sumos" and I wouldn't go out of my way to correct them. ^^ As for anime, for myself, I use "anime" for the plural form of anime, and yes it feels slightly odd when someone says/writes animes. But I usually don't go out of my way to correct it. biggrin.gif

By the way, we may merge this to Tell Us, Teach Us, & Let's Learn Some Japanese! thread later. Tho, that "anime or animes" poll might be kind of fun. smile.gif


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post Jul 2 2010, 06:03 AM
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That was a good demonstrating example, Tombow."I ate Sushis", with an s at the end, sounds extremely wrong to me. Puts things into perspective; the same rules should naturally go for animes and mangas as well then, and this makes me realise what a hypocrit I am since I use both of these these terms with an s at the end, but not sushi (for example) XD

Saying that you ate sushis is like saying you ate pastas. Which, doesn't sound entirely right, even if you could say it, I guess...

And yeah, feel free to merge, this thread was just a late night impulse ^^


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post Jul 2 2010, 09:37 PM
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Because Anime doesn't have the mark above the e, it would be of Japanese origin. Their e's are pronounced as long a's (Sasuke, Kagome, ect.)

And then as they stated, anime in plural form is still anime. Kind of like how plural for Pokemon is still Pokemon, and the plural form for all the Pokemon are the same. (i.e. plural for Pikachu is still Pikachu, ect.)

Animes just sounds odd, and I usually correct people, but mostly because when someone is wrong I tend to go out of my way to correct them.

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post Sep 8 2010, 11:25 AM
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Just want to share it with the world biggrin.gif I'm studying Japanese in College biggrin.gif

If anyone wants to request me something in Hiragana I can easilly write some in painttool Sai smile.gif I have yet to instal Japanese onto my computer so I can't type any sad.gif
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post Sep 8 2010, 11:37 AM
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This topic is going to be moved to Spam Central shortly. smile.gif

-Scar
Reason for edit: Moved simply because its not a discussion topic moreso a spam topic. -Scar


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post Sep 9 2010, 08:35 AM
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-- can you speak Japanese Language as well ?


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post Sep 10 2010, 10:16 AM
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No xD I know some but I can only last for 1 minute in an entirely japanese conversation tongue.gif
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post Sep 10 2010, 12:33 PM
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Shouldn't you know the language so you know what you're writing? Or do you just know them by the Japanese sound (Ma, Shi, Ka, ect) and write them from that?

(Example being able to write 'Ookami' in Hiragana but not knowing what it means)


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Raichi
post Sep 10 2010, 05:19 PM
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Exactly.

In college we spend the first 2 weeks learning hiragana and katakana.
The Tuesday that follows is the first Exam smile.gif They must both be mastered flawlessly.

THEN comes the learning of the actual language and Kanji ^^
Basically one wouldn't understand the exercises I read and write, but since I already know a little japanese I understand the easy sentences, like.. good morning, how are you doing, i'm a student, i'm this old blablabla.
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post Sep 14 2010, 04:57 AM
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Hi Raichi, good luck with your Japanese course!! biggrin.gif

We'll probably join this one to Tell Us, Teach Us, & Let's Learn Some Japanese! thread shortly, and then everyone can keep on with more talk on learning Japanese, or any other "Japanese" discussions. smile.gif

ETA: Sept. 19, 2010 Uh.. I think the thread has been merged. ^^


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