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FMA Manga Re-read It From The Beginning, Session 3, Chapter 5, (for Week Of July 25, 2010) Full Spoiler Warning!, "Ohhh, now I know," chapter 5 "Re-reading" discussions
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Welcome, everyone, to the week-3 of "FMA manga Re-read it from beginning!" sessions!! happy.gif

Please post your discussions for "Re-reading FMA": Session for chapter 5 here



For general information about the Re-reading Project, (and link index to all Re-reading discussion threads) please read Tombow's post in the Fma Manga Re-read It From The Beginning Project! thread.


For the reading reference for this session, please send a PM to A Pierrot's Aria and ask for "Reading Reference Assistance for week 3."
(For more detailed explanation on this, please read Tombow's post here.)

Huge "thank you" goes to sidekick.kep37 for "reference assistance" for this session, and Causmicfire for the transcripts, and also thank you, A Pierrot's Aria for all your help!! ^^



This thread is geared for those who have read the whole FMA manga, including the final chapter (chapter 108) and may potentially contain spoilers from any of chapters 1- 108. Those who do not wish to see such spoilers, please do not go any further!

For those participants who are reading FMA manga FIRST TIME, hope to see your posts on our "regular" (i.e. non-re-reading) chapter 5 discussion thread here. smile.gif


This thread is declared as "Spoiler Party" thread for all of FMA manga chapters up to chapter 107. You can mention any contents in FMA manga chapters 1- 107 without the use of spoiler tags on this thread. In addition, participants can mention the content of chapter 108 on this thread. However, please note that even in Japan some FMA fans still haven't had a chance to read FMA manga's final chapter (chapter 108) due to last month's YoungGanGan mag with FMA manga chapter 108 all sold out (and in a very short time) and waiting for the reprint of the FMA manga final chapter in next month's YoungGanGan magazine. Therefore, until we lift such Spoiler tag condition for chapter 108 content, we ask you that if you post any content from chapter 108 (or even posting any HINT for chapter 108 content) on this thread, in addition to using SPOILER tags, please give warning SPECIFICALLY stating that the the content under the spoiler cover is some spoiler content from FMA manga's final chapter. smile.gif


Some notable information for this chapter will be listed on the post below, and also, for the English transcripts for chapter 5 from Viz' volume 2 FMA manga (courtesy of Causmicfire) please scroll down on this page.

Thank you, and now please proceed to the actual discussions that start on page 2 of this thread. ^^
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Notable chapter information for chapter 5

(This list is still being filled and not complete yet. Please help us filling the list by posting the missing entries to the categories. ^^ )
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In short (Super short Synopsis):

Synopsis:

Cliffhanger (if any): None

Corresponding FMA:Brotherhood anime episode(s): Episode 4

Chapter page length (using the "reference material" as the reference): 44

Color page included when printed as a chapter in GanGan mag (if any): 0


Characters in this chapter: (In order of the first appearance in the chapter)
Jean Havoc
MPs
Roy Mustang
Riza Hawkeye
Edward Elric
Alphonse Elric
Shou Tucker
Nina Tucker
Alexander
Scar



This is the first time appearance in the series for this character: (In order of the first appearance in the chapter)
Shou Tucker
Nina Tucker
Scar



Locations in this chapter:
East City, Eastern Headquarters
Tucker's house



Cameo appearance (if any):


Possible story inconsistency (if any):


New theories, philosophies, dogma, etc. introduced in this chapter (if any):


Memorable quote/dialogue/caption from this chapter (if any):
"Alchemists who have strayed from the path of god must die" (Scar, page 39)
"We're humans. We can't even save one little girl." (Ed, page 35)



Fight scenes: (In order of the first appearance in the chapter)


Character died in this chapter (if any):
Shou Tucker
Nina Tucker
Alexander


Ed's Chibi (Who are you calling shrimp!) moment (if any):

"Al mistaken as Fullmetal" moment (if any): 0

"Inside Al's armor is empty" moment (if any): 0

Al carries something inside his armor moment (if any): 0

Al saves kitty moment (if any): 0

Ed refuses to drink milk moment (if any):0

Ed or Alex rips his shirt, coat, etc. moment: 0

Winry's wrench is mighty! moment (if any): 0

Gluttony eats someone moment (if any): 0

"Trade-mark Alchemy" shown (aside from Ed's Alchemy):

"Kitty Count" in this chapter, as reported by our official Kitty counter, Winry Chi (if any): 0

Chimera appearance (if any):
Tucker's first chimera (page 5)
Chimeras in Tucker's laboratory (page 10)
Chimera made from Nina and Alexander(page 22)


Philosopher's Stone, fake Stone, inferior Stone appearance (if any): 0


Alchemies/Alchemy circles used/introduced/shown in this chapter (whole or part) (if any):
To be added
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Transcripts for chapter 5: (Courtesy of Causmicfire)

CHAPTER 5: An Alchemist's Suffering


Page 1:
M.P. 1: “Woah...that was amazing.”
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Havoc: “Hmm? You’ve never seen the Colonel shoot fire before?”
M.P. 2: “Oh, Second Lieutenant Havoc...”
M.P. 1: “How in the world did he do that?”
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Havoc: “The Colonel’s glove is made out of a special reactive cloth. When you rub it together it sparks.”
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Havoc: “The rest is just adjusting the oxygen level in the air around what you want to combust...” “And then...BOOM!
sfx: flick
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M.P. 2: “I understand the logic behind it, but how...?”
Havoc: “Alchemists are people who can do these things.”
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Havoc: “That little guy standing next to the Colonel is a State Alchemist, too.”
M.P.(not sure which one): “What!!? So he’s the one who captured all the hijackers?!


Page 2/Title Page:
M.P. 2: “Can you believe that...?”
M.P. 1: “I don’t know...”
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M.P ?: “He can’t be human...”

Chapter 5: The Alchemists Suffering


Page 3:
Ed: “You owe me for this one, Colonel.”
sfx: smirk
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Roy: “Hearing you say that makes a chill run down my spine...”
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Roy: “All right. So what do you want?”
Ed: “You sure are one to come right to the point.”
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Ed: “I need to know more about bio-alchemy. Where can I go around here for more information? Like a library or an expert?”
Roy: “Right now? You sure are in a hurry.”


Page 4:
Ed: “My arm and leg aren’t going to just grow back if I wait long enough.”
Roy: “It’s been awhile since we saw each other...why don’t we have a cup of tea?”
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Ed: “What’s so fun about drinking tea with you?
Roy: “Uhm...I know it’s here somewhere...here it is.”
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Roy: “‘Chimera: an artificial fusion created by alchemically ‘marrying’ two genetically dissimilar life forms.’ In other words, there’s a chimera researcher in this city.”
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Roy: “Shou Tucker, the ‘Sewing-life Alchemist’.”
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Roy: “He got his State Alchemist’s certification two years ago when he created a chimera that could speak.


Page 5:
Ed: “It could speak? You mean it talked like a human?A chimera?!
Roy: “That would appear to be the case. I wasn’t in charge at the time, so I’ve never actually seen it. It could understand human speech, and it spoke...”
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Roy: “But all it said was...”
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Chimera: “I want to die.
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Roy: “After that, it refused to eat and died not long after.”


Page 6:
Offscreen: “Well, anyway let’s go meet him and see what kind of a person he is.”
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Ed: What a huge place.
sfx: ding ding
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sfx: rustle
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Ed: GYAAAAGGH!


Page 7:
Tucker: “Hey Alexander, you stop that...!”
Ed: “ow ow ow...”
sfx: pant pant pant
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Nina: “Wow, Daddy! Lots of guests!”
Tucker: “Nina, I told you to keep the dog tied up.”
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Tucker: “I apologize for the mess, it’s been like this since my wife left me...”
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Tucker: “Nice to meet you, Edward” “I’m Shou Tucker, the one they call the 'Sewing-life Alchemist'.”
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Roy: “Edward’s interested in biological alchemy. I told him you might be able to show him your research.”
Tucker: “Oh, I don’t mind.”


Page 8:
Tucker: “...But if you want to see what’s up my sleeve, first you have to show me what up yours.” “Alchemy is about equivalent exchange.”
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Tucker: “So, why are you interested in biological transmutation?”
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Roy: “Um, well, he’s...”
Ed: “Colonel.”
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Ed: “Mr. Tucker has the right to an answer.”
little bubble: empty
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Tucker: “...so...”
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Tucker: “That’s why you’re called the ‘Fullmetal Alchemist’.”


Page 9:
Tucker: “I see, so you lost your mother...”
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Tucker: “That must have been hard.”
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Roy: “I’ve told my superiors that he lost his limbs in the civil war in the East. I must ask you to keep quiet about his attempts at human transmutation.”
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Tucker: “Well then...no problem. I’m sure the military couldn’t afford to lose such a brilliant individual...”


Page 10:
Tucker: “Let me show you my laboratory, although I’m not sure if it will be much help to you.”
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Offscreen: “Ahh...” (sweatdrops)
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Tucker: “You’ve got to excuse me...” “I’m supposed to be the authority on chimeras, but in reality it’s never easy. Lots of failures...lots of false starts.”
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Tucker: “This is my file room.”
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Ed: Ooh!
sfx: creeeeeeek


Page 11:
Ed: “This is incredible!
Tucker: “Feel free to look around. I’ll be in the lab.”
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Ed: “All right then, I’ll start with this shelf.”
Al: “Okay, I’ll start from over there.”
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Roy: “All right, you two. I have to get back to work. I’ll send some of my men to get you before dark.”
Al: “Thanks.”
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little bubbles: lines and dashes (thinking/reading/concentrating?)
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Tucker: “...he has an amazing ability to focus. When he’s reading, he doesn’t even hear the voices around him.”
Roy: “Yes, you know he’s not average, becoming a State Alchemist so young.”
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Tucker: “I guess...” “geniuses really do exist.”


Page 12:
sfx: gong
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Ed: “Agh! Uh-oh” “I didn’t realize the time.”
sfx: gong, gong
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Ed: “Al!” “Alphonse, where are you?”
sfx: gong, gong
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Ed: “I wonder where he went.”
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Ed: GYAAAGGH!
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Al: “Oh, hey Big Brother.”


Page 13:
Ed: “What do you mean, ‘Hey, Big Brother’.” “You’re supposed to be looking through the data, not babysitting!
sfx: pant, pant, pant, pant
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Al: “Well, Nina wanted me to play with her.”
Ed: “WHY YOU...!
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Nina: “Hey, Big Brother! Alexander says he wants you to play with him, too!
sfx: slurp, slurp
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Ed: “Hmph...You’ve got a lot of nerve asking me to play with you, dog...”
--------------------------
Ed: “They say that catching a mere rabbit takes every bit of a lion’s strength...”
sfx: pant, pant, pant, pant
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Ed: Just try to sit on me again, you canine fiend! I, Edward Elric will fight you with my entire body and soul!”
sfx: arf, arf
Ed: ORYAAAA!
Al: “How immature.
Nina: aha haha haha


Page 14:
sfx: caaw caaw
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Havoc: “Hey Chief, I’m here to pick you up.”
--------------------------
Havoc: “Mind if I ask what you’re doing?”
sfx: pant, pant, pant
Ed: “oww oww oww...”
--------------------------
Ed: “ Well, uh, I guess you could say taking a little break from my research...”
sfx: ahem
Tucker: “So, did you find any useful data?”
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Ed: “...”
Tucker: “...you can come back tomorrow.”


Page 15:
Nina: “Are you gonna come back?”
Al: “Uh-huh. Let’s play again tomorrow.”
sfx: sway, sway
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Havoc: “Oh, Mr. Tucker, I have a message from the Colonel...”
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Havoc: “He said, ‘Please don’t forget that the assessment date is coming up’.”
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Tucker: “...yes, I know.”
--------------------------
Nina: “Hey, Daddy, what’s an assessment?”


Page 16:
Tucker: “Well, Sweetie, when you become a State Alchemist you have to show the results of your research once a year.” “And if they don’t like how you’re doing, they take your license away.”
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Tucker: “Daddy’s evaluation wasn’t very good last year...so unless I do something great this year, I won’t be a State Alchemist anymore.”
Nina: “Whaaat? You’ll do great, Daddy! You’re always studying a lot!”
--------------------------
Tucker: “I know, Sweetie, but if they don’t like me there’s nothing else left I can do.”
--------------------------
Tucker: “That’s right...” “There’s nothing else I can do...”


Page 17:
Al: “Hmm, so your mom left two years ago...”
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Nina: “Uh-huh. Daddy said she went back to her parents’ house.”
--------------------------
Al: “Really? It must be lonely living in a big house like this with just the two of you.”
--------------------------
Nina: “No, it’s not!” “Daddy’s nice to me, and I have Alexander, too!”
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Nina: "But..."
--------------------------
Nina: “Lately, Daddy’s always in his laboratory with the door locked...so it’s a little lonely.”


Page 18:
Ed: “Ahh, man”
sfx: krek, krek
Ed: “All this reading is making my shoulders cramp up. Day after day...”
--------------------------
Al: “Exercise is the best cure for shoulder cramps, Big Brother.”
Ed: “You’re right. I guess I’ll work out a little in the yard.”
--------------------------
Ed: “Hey, Dog! I’ll play with you for exercise!”
sfx: SNAP!
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Al: “Come on, Nina. You, too.”


Page 19:
Nina: hee, hee
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sfx: bow woo
Ed: yaah!
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Nina: ha ha ha ha ha
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sfx: krsh


Page 20:
sfx: GRM RM RMB
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Ed: “It’s gonna rain for sure.”
sfx: grm rm rmb
sfx: ding ding
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Al: “Hello...”
sfx: creek
Al: “Mr. Tucker? It’s us again.”
--------------------------
sfx: hush...
Al: “Huh?”
--------------------------
Ed: “Maybe they’re not home.”
Al: “Mr. Tucker?”


Page 21:
Offscreen: “Mr Tucker?”
--------------------------
Offscreen: “Nina?”
--------------------------
Ed: oh...
--------------------------
Ed: “Hey, there you are.”
Tucker: “Oh, it’s you guys.”
--------------------------
Tucker: “Look at my newest creation.”


Page 22:
Tucker: “It’s a chimera that talks like a human.”
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Tucker: “Watch this.” “This person is Edward. Understand?”
--------------------------
Chimera: “Ed...ward?”


Page 23:
Tucker: “That’s right. Very good.”
Chimera: “Veh...ree...” “Good?”
--------------------------
Ed: “I can’t believe it. It really talks...”
Tucker: “Uh-huh. I’m glad I made it in time for the assessment.”
--------------------------
Tucker: “That just saved my neck. And when the grant kicks in, I won’t have to worry about research costs for a while...!”
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Chimera: “Edward.” “Edward.”
--------------------------
Chimera: “Ed...” “Ward.” “Edward.”
--------------------------
Chimera: “Big...” “Bruh...” “Ther...”


Page 24:
Ed: “Mr. Tucker?” “When was it that you got your license by making the first chimera that spoke human words?”
--------------------------
Tucker: “Uh...that was two years ago.”
--------------------------
Ed: “And when did your wife leave?”
--------------------------
Tucker: “That was two years ago, too.”
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Ed: “Can I ask you one more question?”


Page 25:
Ed: “What happened to Nina and Alexander?”
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(empty bubble)
--------------------------
Tucker: “I hate perceptive brats like you...”


Page 26:
sfx: GRAB
sfx: BMP
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Al: “Big Brother!”
Ed: “So that’s what happened!”
--------------------------
Ed: “You scum...How could you!!? Two years ago it was your wife!!”
--------------------------
Ed: “This time you made a chimera out of your own daughter and a dog!”


Page 27:
Al: “...!”
--------------------------
Ed: “Isn’t that right? Because there’s only so much you can do by experimenting on animals.” “Humans are so much better, am I right?
--------------------------
Tucker: “Nnh...Why are you so mad?”
--------------------------
Tucker: “The progress of medicine...the progress of human knowledge...is the result of experimenting on humans. Someone has to do it. As a scientists...you should be the first to...”
Ed: “SHUT UP, JUST SHUT UP!” “Do you think you’re going to get away with this? Playing around with people’s lives?!


Page 28:
Tucker: “People’s lives? Ha ha! Yes, people’s lives!” “You’re the Fullmetal Alchemist! You mean like your Brother’s life...and your arm?
--------------------------
Tucker: “That’s also the result of ‘playing around with people’s lives,’ yes?”
sfx: grrk
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sfx: WAM
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Tucker: “Nhh...ha ha ha ha...” “You and I are just the same.”


Page 29:
Ed: “That’s not true!”
Tucker: “You’re no different than I am! You thought you could do it, so you did!
Ed: “That’s not true!”
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Tucker: “You couldn’t help but try it, even if it was forbidden! In fact, because it’s forbidden!” “Agh”
sfx: WHAM
Ed: “That’s not true!”
--------------------------
“We Alchemists...”
sfx: slam, krak
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Ed: “Would never do that...”
sfx: krk, wam
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Ed: “We’d never...”
--------------------------
Ed: “I’d never.”


Page 30:
sfx: GRIP
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Al: “Edward. Anymore and you’d kill him.”
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sfx: slump
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Tucker: “Ha...ha...pretty words don’t get anything done...”


Page 31:
Al: “Mr. Tucker,”
--------------------------
Al: “If you say one more word, this time I’ll be the one to snap.”
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Tucker: ghh
--------------------------
Al: “Nina...”
--------------------------
Al: “I’m sorry” “We don’t have the skill right now to turn you back to normal.”


Page 32:
Al: “I’m sorry.” “I’m so sorry.”
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Chimera: “Wanna...play.”
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Chimera: “Wanna play.” “Wanna play.”
sfx: shaaaaa
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Riza: “If there was ever truly was ‘the work of the Devil,’ then this was it.”
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Roy: “‘The Devil?’ To put it bluntly, all State Alchemists are nothing but the military’s human weapons.” “We do what they want, we obey orders, and we don’t complain if our hands get dirty in the process.”


Page 33:
Roy: “My point being that when it comes to messing with human lives, Tucker’s actions aren’t so different from our own.”
Riza: “That’s the logic of an adult, Sir. Even though Edward acts older than his years, he’s still a child.”
--------------------------
Roy: “Yes, but the path that he’s chosen will no doubt lead to hardships greater than he faced today.” “He has to move forward...even if it mean forcing himself to understand.”
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Roy: “Isn’t that right, Fullmetal?”
sfx: klmp


Page 34:
Roy: “How long do you plan on staying depressed?”
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Ed: “Be quiet.”
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Roy: “Even thought people call you a ‘Dog of the military’ and a ‘Devil,’ it was you who chose to keep studying alchemy. You chose to join the military, when you could have lived the rest of your life as best you can with the body you have.” “Can you afford to be held back by something so small?”
--------------------------
sfx: grip
Ed: “‘Something so small...’?”
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Ed: “You’re right. People may call us dogs and devils, but Al and I will get our original bodies back.”
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Ed: “But we’re not devils or gods.”


Page 35:
Ed: “We’re humans.” “We can’t even save one little girl.
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Ed: “We’re just pathetic humans beings...!”
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Roy: “Go home and rest.” “You’ll catch a cold.”


Page 36:
sfx: Shaaaa
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sfx: splash
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M.P.: “Oh, are you here to see Mr. Tucker?”
--------------------------
M.P.: “Unauthorized individuals aren’t allowed past this point.” “If you have some business...”
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Scar: “I’m going through.”
sfx: krik
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M.P.: “Huh?”


Page 37:
sfx: KRAKABOOM
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Tucker: “Why doesn’t anybody understand?”
sfx: grm rm rmb
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Tucker: “Why, Nina...?”


Page 38:
sfx: kraka
Tucker: “!”
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Scar: “Are you Shou Tucker?”


Page 39:
Tucker: “Who are you?”
--------------------------
sfx: tmp
--------------------------
Tucker: “What do you want with me?” “You’re not with the Army.”
sfx: tmp, tmp
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Tucker: “How did you get in?” “There were guards outside...”
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Scar: “Alchemists who have strayed form the path of God...” “...Must die!”
sfx: krik krak
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sfx: prp


Page 40:
sfx: SKUSH


Page 41:
sfx: WHUMP
(in bubble)sfx: splsh
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sfx: splsh
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Chimera: “- ------ -- -”


Page 42:
Chimera: “Da-Da.”
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Chimera: “Daddy.”
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Chimera: “Daddy.” “Daddy.” “Daddy.”
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Scar: “How awful.”
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Scar: “Now that he’s done this to you, there’s no way to change you back to normal.”


Page 43:
Scar: “At the very least, go in peace.”
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sfx: shaaaaa
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Scar: “My Lord. Lord God, who created everything in this world...”
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Scar: “Two souls have now returned to your side.” “Please take pity on them...and grant them forgiveness and peace in your loving embrace.”


Page 44:
sfx: SHAAAAAAAA
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