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Episode 62: A Fierce Counterattack - Content Discussion Thread, Warning, possible spoilers for the first 62 episodes
ChaosRogue
post Jun 20 2010, 05:00 AM
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QUOTE (penguintruth @ Jun 20 2010, 04:26 AM) *
My initial thoughts:

- Hey, Al, why not instead of doing that, just use alchemy to create a wall around Father or Ed?

I can forgive some of the problems because of the ungodly awesomness of the action.


Father deconstructs wall, absorbs Ed. Alphonse probably dies from the crack exacerbating. Next!

(Seriously, I know there are plot holes, but there are reasons around your "why didn't they do this?!" sort of questions. As to why no one else does anything - they're still recovering from the shockwave/explosion. Flimsy excuse I know, but it makes sense.)
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post Jun 20 2010, 05:25 AM
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^Exactly . We are watchin a shonen show here . People being so picky , makes it look ridiculous .
Well , i noticed next episode's preview isn't as good as expected . (it's got tetsuya kawakami working for it , and he's an average animation director)


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post Jun 20 2010, 05:42 AM
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@allykatty1

Why did you complain about the DBZ actions? They're all from the manga, and they adapted those scenes very well imo. tongue.gif About distorted faces, I don't see many except for Father's face, but it's supposed to be like that for our Father who's about to explode. xP

And now that you mentioned it, I think I want to see Ed's arm materializing back too, but what we got in this ep was taken directly from the manga panel, so I really didn't have much to complain. Because manga panel = WIN!

Also, I LOVED how they used the main theme for that scene, I know what's coming and when the music started to play, I talked to myself: "Wow, isn't it fitting like hell?" And when Al's armor started to dematerialize, it's just beautiful!

All in all, I loved every bit of this episode. The ending for FMA deserves kickass animation and this episode gives it just that. biggrin.gif
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post Jun 20 2010, 08:04 AM
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Heck yeah animation. The entire episode was amazing I think. I had no problem with any of the pacing, and it ended right where it should have. I LOVE that they used the "fullmetal alchemist" track for when Al went to the gate. I love that track so much.


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post Jun 20 2010, 08:38 AM
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QUOTE (ChaosRogue @ Jun 20 2010, 04:35 AM) *
QUOTE (KEKU @ Jun 20 2010, 08:30 PM) *
I can't believe they cut out Al's blood seal being cracked.

That was the whole reason he had to transmute himself to return Ed's arm, otherwise he would have died if the seal gave out. =S


Uh... yeah that was there. He's about to move, when he pauses and it zooms in on his seal. My interpretation of that scene is that if Al pretty much did anything the crack would extend and that would be it for Al. In that moment he saw an opportunity to get Ed's arm back using his last action possible.

Well I did see that part, but it wasn't already cracked. The manga showed it was already cracked and sparking a bit. Just my little complaint because that made it seem more urgent he transmute himself.


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post Jun 20 2010, 08:41 AM
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Another great episode, by the way, I hope kit-chan will use Father looking like he's rady for a toga party jokes. Toga father or toga Ed.

anyway, yeah well its understandable that there a lot of fighting in 107 so it makes sense to put it all in one episode and they still managed to make some scenes very powerful like Al doing his sacriface and Ed just wailing on that poor bastard and the Xerxes zombies was just as creepy or creepier as in the manga. Especially the baby, that was nightmare fuel.

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post Jun 20 2010, 09:08 AM
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Copying thoughts from my tweeter:

-Wow, they changed quite a lot things in the script. Did they need to drag the scenes out because of the episode length?
-Or did they want to give other characters more screentime.
-Ed loosing automail looked less dramatic. Also, why didn't he loose metal plates as well? I was looking forward to see all his scars.
-...that blast Father released (the second one) looked ridiculous. All characters flying in air...
-"Ishi, ishi, KENJA NO ISHI!" _^_ it sounded so amusing
-Wow, THAT scene was good. I loved Romi's acting and how shaky her voice was and they finally used Main Theme again!
-Lol, Al and Ed's Truth talking casually. I wonder if they were doing it on daily basis.
-I love how Al looks more determined than in manga
-Also love how Ed was afraid to look at his right and "BAKAYARO~!" <3
Wow, the last action scene ohmy.gif So dynamic and brutal o_O
-Lol, it's like a soccer match - the crowd cheering XD
-Roy is like "I don't f*!@ing know what is going on, but...Hagane no!1"


Need to watch this episode again. But don't have much time right now. Darn.


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post Jun 20 2010, 09:39 AM
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Oh great Episode overall. The only thing I didn't like was when the soldiers were preparing to attack father, they used still frames with speedlines x/
And I think the reason why Al did such a drastic thing like sacrificing himself for eds arm wasn't that obvious as in the manga. Yes, he stopped and they zoomed to the blood seal, but the crack didn't seem so dangerous as in the manga (with this alchemic light-thing whatever bzz. :< )
On the other hand the scene where al sacrificed himself and everything after that was done absolutely fantastic. I was almost moved to tears when Al was disintegrating. (Almost. If not for my mother who came into my room at that moment and I had to pause.)
Mei and Ed were done really well. I loved it.


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post Jun 20 2010, 09:49 AM
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I loved this episode! I liked the music that was used when Al went to the gate and when Ed was fighting Father in the end. The way that whole segment was done from the point Ed was pinned down to the end had such a great dramatic effect. You could feel the emotion Ed was feeling after he realized Al was back at the gate. He used that energy for a good purpose of course. Seeing everyone shout out Ed's name made a bigger impact on me than seeing it in the manga (which I also liked,BTW.) I can't wait to hear it in English! (Just because it's my native language.)

Next week will be awesome too!


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post Jun 20 2010, 11:21 AM
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I loved both eyecatches. They were both made of so much win. Wow.
I didn't totally like the way they animated Edwards arm. If I were Irie, it would have been directed differently. It was still good, I just think they could have upped the epic.
And I love that they used the "Fullmetal Alchemist" track for that scene. We first heard it when Ed lost his arm to transmute Al, we hear it again when it's reversed. Very fitting.


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post Jun 20 2010, 11:23 AM
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Episode was great. Just as action packed as the last full action episode should be, plently of awesome fight animation, good to see they made sure all the minor characters got their part and I'm glad Armstrong actually got some extra close combat, seeing as he's such a memorable character for people from both anime and the manga.

My only real issue was the music for the Al scene. I see other people liked that they used that track, but I really don't. I would've preferred a more subdued and sad track to heighten the emotional impact of when Al shows up at the door in front of his body.

Also don't see why they left out the crack visibly touching and reacting with his blood seal, eh but whatever I guess.

I hope 63 isn't as low budget as it looks. I understand that the 64th episode probably wasnt planned and that perhaps the quality of the last 2 eps might have had to take a hit because of this, but I'd seriously hope not! The art needs to be spot on for those episodes!
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post Jun 20 2010, 02:38 PM
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QUOTE (shiroe @ Jun 20 2010, 04:42 AM) *
@allykatty1

Why did you complain about the DBZ actions? They're all from the manga, and they adapted those scenes very well imo. tongue.gif About distorted faces, I don't see many except for Father's face, but it's supposed to be like that for our Father who's about to explode. xP

And now that you mentioned it, I think I want to see Ed's arm materializing back too, but what we got in this ep was taken directly from the manga panel, so I really didn't have much to complain. Because manga panel = WIN!


Well, regardless if any one screenshot is taken from the manga, the way it looks in motion changes things up a bit. It just looked unnatural and not very fluid to me. And most of the "distorted" shots to me were not shots I recognized from the manga. And even if they were, I didn't like that they used the cliched "frozen character in mid-punch with action lines!" type of shot that we see in so many shonen anime. I just always thought FMA (or at least the first anime) was usually more realistic than that. I guess I'm finding myself comparing to this animation quality of the last couple episodes of Anime1, which were beautiful and very fluid. But it is also true that this is a more action-oriented ending anyway, so I can forgive it that. Again, though, this could have just been a stream problem. I'll hold off my final judgment until I see an HD version! wink.gif

And yep, it is true that the shot with Ed's arm was taken almost directly from the manga, but I guess ever since I read the chapter I expected to see it materialize bit by bit. I'll have to watch the episode again, but I'm pretty sure it's not QUITE the exact manga panel. In the manga, you could see bits of his fingers weren't 100% back yet, which was why I was kind of expected it to materialize more when seen animated. I also really missed that we didn't see the automail plates falling from his body (like in the manga shot... it should be like the genie's wrist bracelets falling off in "Aladdin," darn it, more dramatic, lol!). Also, in the manga, when we see the panel with his arm returned, his eyes are still staring ahead - only afterwards does he look over, which I thought was more impactful. But I can see why this was changed: it basically just looks like the animated panel takes place a couple seconds after the equivalent manga panel. The fingers are already 100% restored, the main automail plates have already fallen, and he's already glancing over at the arm. LOL, this is hardly a bit thing for me to nitpick over, but it was just something I noticed. happy.gif

Anyone else cringe when they showed the blood SPURTING from Ed's wounded arm when he was struggling to escape?! O_O I didn't think it was really that well animated, but it did its' job anyway. *shudder shudder*

I also "WTF, LOL"ed at the "Our Father" eyecatch.
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post Jun 20 2010, 02:39 PM
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That episode was amazing, they're wrapping up pretty fast.


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This episode definitely belongs in the epic-action catagory! (I always thought DBZ was awesome anyways... ) Animation was pretty great and very showy with the attacks. Some scenes were given more attention then others, but that's just how it goes.

The "brotherhood" track was great where they used it, since it is the main theme, and it certainly added a dramatic but emotional feeling to the scene. I actually almost cried! This was just in the manga, and already seeing it animated is very emotional... or course so is Ed and Al's bravery. laugh.gif

I loved the wolf that appeared in Roy's fire attack for a split-second! Was that in the manga at all or just something they threw in?


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post Jun 20 2010, 06:21 PM
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Do you think the English dub will re-use the line "I'll show you real quick who the novice is!" at the end of this episode?
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