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Episode 59: Lost Light - Content Discussion Thread, Warning, possible spoilers for the first 59 episodes
Chiyo
post May 29 2010, 10:51 AM
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Talk-back/content discussion for English dubbed episode on Adult Swim starts on page 4. smile.gif


Please post the discussions on the content of episode 59 here.
This thread is declared as a Spoiler zone for the content of the first 59 episodes.

Please don't ask for links on where to watch this episode, raw or subbed. Discussions on 'where to watch' belong in Where/How to Watch FMA Series 2. Don't post screencaps unless highlighting something important about the content of the episode. Just like on in most area's of the board, avoid one line posts, spam of any kind or conversations between two members.

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Summary: Roy ultimately refuses to perform a human transmutation, disappointing the gold-toothed doctor. One of the chimera disables the doctor as May arrives and helps take on the Fuhrer candidates. Roy, Scar, and May fight the Fuhrer candidates, and Roy makes it to Riza. May spots the liquid vial of Philosopher's Stone the doctor dropped, but decides to help Riza instead, using retanjutsu to stop her bleeding. Fuhrer King Bradley arrives, having swam through a drainpipe after falling into the moat. Then Pride arrives. Wrath springs into action, using his swords to nail Roy down into the doctor's alchemy array. Pride uses the gold-toothed doctor and the alchemy circle to force Roy to be a sacrifice. May notices that the source of the weirdness she's been sensing is beneath them, and Scar uses his arm to create a hole. Roy is sent through the Gate and ends up in Father's lair, where Ed discovers his sight has been taken from him. Above, Scar engages in combat with Wrath. May decends to Father's lair and notices that Alphonse hasn't regained consciousness. At the Gate, Alphonse meets his human body, but is dismayed at how malnourished it is. He decides to return without his body, but promises to return. In Father's lair, Alphonse regains consciousness. Father is happy that he has all five sacrifices now. - © Penguintruth, taken with permission from his blog.


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post May 30 2010, 03:16 PM
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My point about it not paying off, much in the way we got a big array activation that led to just some people being teleported, is that the cliffhanger of the previous episode being that Roy seems to agree to do a human transmutation. And then in the beginning of this episode he goes, "LOL, actually no, I agreed NOT to. Sorry." And that's the payoff.

They might as well had him do that before the end of the last episode (which would work, since they dragged that scene out) and had the end of that episode be triumphant by having the gold-toothed doctor lifted up by whatshisface's goo. Instead we get, "LOL, just kidding, guys." It would be one thing if he agreed to it, then at the last minute struck out at the gold-toothed doctor as the chimera arrived, but we just get the payoff of the doctor's disappointment.

Now, as for the long-term payoff within the episode, fine, I see your point, but then there was no real purpose of making a big fuss out of that one action at the end of the previous episode. It confuses me as a viewer that I think I'm going to get this big punch payoff and then I get a more natural one. They shouldn't have set up the big punch to begin with if that's the case, because it seems cheap.

The cliffhanger device is a force that has to be met with equal force if it is to work.


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QUOTE (penguintruth @ May 30 2010, 06:16 PM) *
My point about it not paying off, much in the way we got a big array activation that led to just some people being teleported, is that the cliffhanger of the previous episode being that Roy seems to agree to do a human transmutation. And then in the beginning of this episode he goes, "LOL, actually no, I agreed NOT to. Sorry." And that's the payoff.


Ah, I see. A valid point - thank you for taking the time to clarify.

Considered in that light, I would have to agree with you about the emotional 'cheapness' of the reversal; my impression of the cliffhanger was already muted by a knowledge of what was already happening, but considered from the perspective of a first time viewer, this decision to begin a new episode with a 'oh wait, just kidding' does seem a bit...off.

Actually, now that I am recalling more clearly, the concurrent manga chapters did not even end on Mustang's affirmative:

http://www.onemanga.com/Full_Metal_Alchemist/100/46/

...making this decision seem all the more arbitrary and manipulative. Having said that, I still thought it was a pretty effective cliffhanger from the perspective of not knowing what was going to happen to Hawkeye, but I will concede that 'shock value' would have been better served by leaving Mustang's decision unresolved until the next episode. Then, there would have been no dramatic undercutting or disrespect of the viewer's intelligence when he made his decision the following episode.

Your bringing this up has really piqued my curiosity as to just how many other 'minor' changes theis anime has made to the manga. It's been quite some time since I read over the original work; maybe it's time for a little compare and contrast...

...or maybe it would only get me upset rolleyes.gif
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- Chiyo   Episode 59: Lost Light - Content Discussion Thread   May 29 2010, 10:51 AM
- - Michiyo-   - Shocked Dr Goldtooth is shocked. - Here comes th...   May 30 2010, 01:40 AM
- - Gimpyhair   - I loved most of royai scenes: Riza's voice a...   May 30 2010, 01:42 AM
- - penguintruth   My initial thoughts: - A cliffhanger in FMA not p...   May 30 2010, 01:44 AM
|- - Bag of Magic Food   QUOTE (penguintruth @ May 30 2010, 03:44 ...   May 30 2010, 02:58 AM
||- - Claudius   QUOTE (Bag of Magic Food @ May 30 2010, 01...   May 30 2010, 03:32 AM
|- - His Name is Unknown   QUOTE (penguintruth @ May 30 2010, 04:44 ...   May 30 2010, 02:33 PM
|- - Claudius   QUOTE (His Name is Unknown @ May 30 2010, 01...   May 31 2010, 05:08 AM
- - amestris_star   http://randomc.net/2010/05/30/fullmetal-al...broth...   May 30 2010, 02:55 AM
- - deet-tastic   Been waiting for this episode for forever. My tho...   May 30 2010, 08:13 AM
|- - TheSentinel   QUOTE (deet-tastic @ May 30 2010, 11...   May 30 2010, 08:46 AM
- - EveningAlchemist   Longer post, awesome episode. This episode ooz...   May 30 2010, 08:52 AM
- - deet-tastic   QUOTE (TheSentinel @ May 30 2010, 09:46 A...   May 30 2010, 09:14 AM
|- - His Name is Unknown   Wrath fan here: Really, almost everything about F...   May 30 2010, 12:42 PM
- - deet-tastic   ^everything you just said. Wrath was animated s...   May 30 2010, 01:23 PM
|- - allykatty1   QUOTE (His Name is Unknown @ May 30 2010, 05...   Jun 1 2010, 03:21 AM
|- - Claudius   QUOTE (allykatty1 @ Jun 1 2010, 02:21 AM)...   Jun 1 2010, 09:05 AM
|- - allykatty1   QUOTE (Claudius @ Jun 1 2010, 08:05 AM) Q...   Jun 2 2010, 02:06 AM
|- - penguintruth   QUOTE (Claudius @ Jun 1 2010, 12:05 PM) Q...   Jun 4 2010, 04:01 PM
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- - cherry-chan. :D   Overall, I'd say this was a great episode. I w...   May 30 2010, 11:11 PM
- - Vagrant   Art and animation looked awesome to me. Except for...   May 31 2010, 01:18 AM
- - deet-tastic   ^probably poor translation. My friend read one whe...   May 31 2010, 01:51 AM
- - Chiyo   It has been a while since I voiced my thoughts on ...   May 31 2010, 05:01 AM
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|- - Bag of Magic Food   QUOTE (deet-tastic @ Jun 1 2010, 12...   Jun 1 2010, 11:14 AM
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