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Talk-back/content discussion for English dubbed episode on Adult Swim starts on page 4.
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QUOTE (TheSentinel @ May 30 2010, 09:46 AM)
QUOTE (deet-tastic @ May 30 2010, 11:13 AM)
- i hate you bones. Your stupid studio left out my all time favorite manga panel of Bradley. I hate you.
I'm mad they left this out, the bottom one. http://www.onemanga.com/Full_Metal_Alchemist/102/010/ That's my favorite manga panel of Bradley. When I first read the chapter back in December, I actually stopped and saved it to my computer. It was screaming "BAD A" So I'm very angry with Bones.
They animated the scene from the front as opposed the the back (the way the manga did it). Can't wait for the SUB to get the dialogue. From the manga I always did like Wrath's 'humans not doing what I expect makes me angry' while smiling was a great line.
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Wrath fan here:
Really, almost everything about FMA episode 59 is irrelevant to me: Roy's blindness...eh. Hawkeye drama...deus ex machina. Father....how many eyes does he have again?...
Start talking about Scar versus Wrath, though, and you have my undivided attention. To me, this showdown represents the clash of some of the strongest themes in FMA - the interplay of religion, spirituality, and atheism and their relationship to the notion of equivalent exchange.
The Ishvalan extermination, with all of its parallels to the Holocaust and persecution of the Jewish people during WWII and throughout history, works marvelously (well, for me anyway ^^) as a meta-narrative to bind the various character interactions and plot developments together and to create a comprehensive backdrop for the drama of the Promised Day. Indeed, the interplay of two conflicting visions - the refined 'abiding' of Scar's muted vengeance and the overwhelming fury of Wrath - is the personification of many core elements of the Fullmetal story.
The death of Winry's parents, the quest for immortality, the collision of spirituality and science, Hughe's death, the Elric's suffering, the conspiracy in the military...all of these issues come back to that horrific War in Ishval and Bradley's presidential order to annihilate the believers of Ishvala. Whenever I think of this final showdown, I'm struck by how well the spiritual aspect of FMA is handled. Again and again, Ed proclaims his agnosticism, maintaining that comfortable skeptic's distance, yet when the situation really gets desperate, many characters are willing, albeit reluctantly, to consider the existence of God. One of my all time favorite moments in the manga is Wrath's bloodcurdling assault on Scar's faith as he screams: "Surely the horrors of that bloody conflict sowed the seeds of doubt in your own mind. THERE IS NO GOD!" It is an emotion which any person who struggles with reconciling the horrors of this world with the notion of an all powerful God has experienced. And yet, it is in that very moment that the sun peeks out from behind the darkness of the eclipse, blinding Bradley and giving Scar his chance.
Despite the Elrics denouncing Scar's claim to be an agent of God's judgment as an excuse for petty revenge, the overarching narrative does seem to hint that Scar may, in fact, an instrument of change from a higher power. Through this 'bloody discharge' of the conflict in Ishval, we see the representation of one who accepts both the importance of spirituality and the powerful potential of science to do good. Destruction and creation, they are the laws of the fma universe and the foundation of this fight. And of course, it is only too appropriate that Ishvalans, upon whom Wrath propounded his merciless atheism, would be the ones to ultimately remove him from his throne. Really, I don't think Wrath would have it any other way....a battle to the death between two nameless warriors...I LIKE IT!
...as you can see, I have a vested interest in how this showdown is handled, and from the looks of things, this fight has the potential to be the best beat down in FMA2. The new music - a stunning, full bodied orchestral rendition of the main theme - sent a chill down my spine; the stage has been set for a truly monumental clash of wills and I can only pray that episode 60 and 61 do not disappoint.