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Episode 59: Lost Light - Content Discussion Thread, Warning, possible spoilers for the first 59 episodes
post May 29 2010, 10:51 AM
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Talk-back/content discussion for English dubbed episode on Adult Swim starts on page 4. smile.gif

Please post the discussions on the content of episode 59 here.
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Summary: Roy ultimately refuses to perform a human transmutation, disappointing the gold-toothed doctor. One of the chimera disables the doctor as May arrives and helps take on the Fuhrer candidates. Roy, Scar, and May fight the Fuhrer candidates, and Roy makes it to Riza. May spots the liquid vial of Philosopher's Stone the doctor dropped, but decides to help Riza instead, using retanjutsu to stop her bleeding. Fuhrer King Bradley arrives, having swam through a drainpipe after falling into the moat. Then Pride arrives. Wrath springs into action, using his swords to nail Roy down into the doctor's alchemy array. Pride uses the gold-toothed doctor and the alchemy circle to force Roy to be a sacrifice. May notices that the source of the weirdness she's been sensing is beneath them, and Scar uses his arm to create a hole. Roy is sent through the Gate and ends up in Father's lair, where Ed discovers his sight has been taken from him. Above, Scar engages in combat with Wrath. May decends to Father's lair and notices that Alphonse hasn't regained consciousness. At the Gate, Alphonse meets his human body, but is dismayed at how malnourished it is. He decides to return without his body, but promises to return. In Father's lair, Alphonse regains consciousness. Father is happy that he has all five sacrifices now. - © Penguintruth, taken with permission from his blog.


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post May 30 2010, 09:14 AM
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QUOTE (TheSentinel @ May 30 2010, 09:46 AM) *
QUOTE (deet-tastic @ May 30 2010, 11:13 AM) *
- i hate you bones. Your stupid studio left out my all time favorite manga panel of Bradley. I hate you.

I'm mad they left this out, the bottom one.
That's my favorite manga panel of Bradley. When I first read the chapter back in December, I actually stopped and saved it to my computer. It was screaming "BAD A" So I'm very angry with Bones.

They animated the scene from the front as opposed the the back (the way the manga did it). Can't wait for the SUB to get the dialogue. From the manga I always did like Wrath's 'humans not doing what I expect makes me angry' while smiling was a great line.

My own personal favorite Wrath panel is http://www.onemanga.com/Full_Metal_Alchemist/30/19/

Nah, in the manga he has the swords above his head, but here they were in front of him. And I like that camera angle on his back, rather than his front. That's what made it as epic as it was to me.


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post May 30 2010, 12:42 PM
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Wrath fan here:

Really, almost everything about FMA episode 59 is irrelevant to me: Roy's blindness...eh. Hawkeye drama...deus ex machina. Father....how many eyes does he have again?...

Start talking about Scar versus Wrath, though, and you have my undivided attention. To me, this showdown represents the clash of some of the strongest themes in FMA - the interplay of religion, spirituality, and atheism and their relationship to the notion of equivalent exchange.

The Ishvalan extermination, with all of its parallels to the Holocaust and persecution of the Jewish people during WWII and throughout history, works marvelously (well, for me anyway ^^) as a meta-narrative to bind the various character interactions and plot developments together and to create a comprehensive backdrop for the drama of the Promised Day. Indeed, the interplay of two conflicting visions - the refined 'abiding' of Scar's muted vengeance and the overwhelming fury of Wrath - is the personification of many core elements of the Fullmetal story.

The death of Winry's parents, the quest for immortality, the collision of spirituality and science, Hughe's death, the Elric's suffering, the conspiracy in the military...all of these issues come back to that horrific War in Ishval and Bradley's presidential order to annihilate the believers of Ishvala. Whenever I think of this final showdown, I'm struck by how well the spiritual aspect of FMA is handled. Again and again, Ed proclaims his agnosticism, maintaining that comfortable skeptic's distance, yet when the situation really gets desperate, many characters are willing, albeit reluctantly, to consider the existence of God. One of my all time favorite moments in the manga is Wrath's bloodcurdling assault on Scar's faith as he screams: "Surely the horrors of that bloody conflict sowed the seeds of doubt in your own mind. THERE IS NO GOD!" It is an emotion which any person who struggles with reconciling the horrors of this world with the notion of an all powerful God has experienced. And yet, it is in that very moment that the sun peeks out from behind the darkness of the eclipse, blinding Bradley and giving Scar his chance.

Despite the Elrics denouncing Scar's claim to be an agent of God's judgment as an excuse for petty revenge, the overarching narrative does seem to hint that Scar may, in fact, an instrument of change from a higher power. Through this 'bloody discharge' of the conflict in Ishval, we see the representation of one who accepts both the importance of spirituality and the powerful potential of science to do good. Destruction and creation, they are the laws of the fma universe and the foundation of this fight. And of course, it is only too appropriate that Ishvalans, upon whom Wrath propounded his merciless atheism, would be the ones to ultimately remove him from his throne. Really, I don't think Wrath would have it any other way....a battle to the death between two nameless warriors...I LIKE IT!

...as you can see, I have a vested interest in how this showdown is handled, and from the looks of things, this fight has the potential to be the best beat down in FMA2. The new music - a stunning, full bodied orchestral rendition of the main theme - sent a chill down my spine; the stage has been set for a truly monumental clash of wills and I can only pray that episode 60 and 61 do not disappoint.
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- Chiyo   Episode 59: Lost Light - Content Discussion Thread   May 29 2010, 10:51 AM
- - Michiyo-   - Shocked Dr Goldtooth is shocked. - Here comes th...   May 30 2010, 01:40 AM
- - Gimpyhair   - I loved most of royai scenes: Riza's voice a...   May 30 2010, 01:42 AM
- - penguintruth   My initial thoughts: - A cliffhanger in FMA not p...   May 30 2010, 01:44 AM
|- - Bag of Magic Food   QUOTE (penguintruth @ May 30 2010, 03:44 ...   May 30 2010, 02:58 AM
||- - Claudius   QUOTE (Bag of Magic Food @ May 30 2010, 01...   May 30 2010, 03:32 AM
|- - His Name is Unknown   QUOTE (penguintruth @ May 30 2010, 04:44 ...   May 30 2010, 02:33 PM
|- - Claudius   QUOTE (His Name is Unknown @ May 30 2010, 01...   May 31 2010, 05:08 AM
- - amestris_star   http://randomc.net/2010/05/30/fullmetal-al...broth...   May 30 2010, 02:55 AM
- - deet-tastic   Been waiting for this episode for forever. My tho...   May 30 2010, 08:13 AM
|- - TheSentinel   QUOTE (deet-tastic @ May 30 2010, 11...   May 30 2010, 08:46 AM
- - EveningAlchemist   Longer post, awesome episode. This episode ooz...   May 30 2010, 08:52 AM
- - deet-tastic   ^everything you just said. Wrath was animated s...   May 30 2010, 01:23 PM
- - penguintruth   My point about it not paying off, much in the way ...   May 30 2010, 03:16 PM
|- - His Name is Unknown   QUOTE (penguintruth @ May 30 2010, 06:16 ...   May 30 2010, 06:36 PM
|- - allykatty1   QUOTE (His Name is Unknown @ May 30 2010, 05...   Jun 1 2010, 03:21 AM
|- - Claudius   QUOTE (allykatty1 @ Jun 1 2010, 02:21 AM)...   Jun 1 2010, 09:05 AM
|- - allykatty1   QUOTE (Claudius @ Jun 1 2010, 08:05 AM) Q...   Jun 2 2010, 02:06 AM
|- - penguintruth   QUOTE (Claudius @ Jun 1 2010, 12:05 PM) Q...   Jun 4 2010, 04:01 PM
- - deet-tastic   ^ I'm about to start re-reading the whole mang...   May 30 2010, 08:40 PM
- - cherry-chan. :D   Overall, I'd say this was a great episode. I w...   May 30 2010, 11:11 PM
- - Vagrant   Art and animation looked awesome to me. Except for...   May 31 2010, 01:18 AM
- - deet-tastic   ^probably poor translation. My friend read one whe...   May 31 2010, 01:51 AM
- - Chiyo   It has been a while since I voiced my thoughts on ...   May 31 2010, 05:01 AM
- - ShadowCat17   btw, never, ever watch the Guguru subs. The reason...   May 31 2010, 11:45 AM
|- - TheSentinel   QUOTE (ShadowCat17 @ May 31 2010, 02:45 P...   May 31 2010, 05:42 PM
- - FailToImpress   QUOTE (ShadowCat17 @ May 31 2010, 07:45 P...   May 31 2010, 01:48 PM
- - Hyperthia   I loved this episode so much The HUG! Like......   May 31 2010, 02:49 PM
- - deet-tastic   ^ 102 pretty much DID just come out That's wh...   May 31 2010, 04:22 PM
- - Vlyse   Err plothole? Or maybe Scar just hasn't figure...   May 31 2010, 06:09 PM
- - Kaori Ayanami   Eclipse just released this episode. At last. T^T Y...   May 31 2010, 06:15 PM
- - Trakonda   I've must been watching one too many Youtube P...   May 31 2010, 06:54 PM
- - sidekick.kep37   QUOTE (ShadowCat17 @ May 31 2010, 01:45 P...   May 31 2010, 06:58 PM
- - zonkiethegreat   ^^ YES! I agree...Roy's sudden blindness r...   May 31 2010, 07:59 PM
- - Bag of Magic Food   "Clearly going blind" in the opening? I...   May 31 2010, 08:57 PM
- - Aazadan   I liked the shot of Mustangs gate, much clearer th...   May 31 2010, 10:45 PM
- - Flamez_Freak   pretty good episode....with great animation and de...   Jun 1 2010, 12:13 AM
- - Broken Chouchou   Decent episode. While I thought some parts were gr...   Jun 1 2010, 04:24 AM
- - _Jelly   Speaking of Scar and Wrath's stare off... HAH...   Jun 1 2010, 05:23 AM
- - Broken Chouchou   I don't think the lack of emotion comes from k...   Jun 1 2010, 05:42 AM
|- - Flamez_Freak   QUOTE (Broken Chouchou @ Jun 1 2010, 07:1...   Jun 1 2010, 12:07 PM
- - deet-tastic   That's what I've been trying to understand...   Jun 1 2010, 10:31 AM
|- - Bag of Magic Food   QUOTE (deet-tastic @ Jun 1 2010, 12...   Jun 1 2010, 11:14 AM
- - Forsaken Love   I LOVED this episode. So much royai! <3 *_*...   Jun 1 2010, 10:39 AM
- - deet-tastic   ^I rarely say anything outload when watching stuff...   Jun 1 2010, 03:16 PM
- - Kasumisty   I liked this episode. While quality may be not to...   Jun 2 2010, 09:08 AM
- - Radadinator   Man, this episode was just like a series of Crowni...   Jun 4 2010, 12:39 PM
- - Fawfulhasfury   For people criticizing the Scar Vs. Wrath stare-of...   Jun 4 2010, 01:17 PM
- - kateyliz12   - Question about Al's body in Episode 59, Warn...   Jul 28 2011, 12:30 PM
|- - JPPCouto   QUOTE (kateyliz12 @ Jul 28 2011, 08:30 PM...   Aug 1 2011, 05:24 AM
- - A Pierrot's Aria   Welcome to the board, kateyliz12!! There...   Jul 28 2011, 02:14 PM
- - F3aRô   Al didn't take his body back due to he wanted ...   Jul 28 2011, 05:05 PM
- - Vlyse   The "going back will bring despair and ruin...   Aug 1 2011, 04:05 AM
- - Michiyo-   Please add FMA:B English dubbed episode 59 (on CN ...   Aug 20 2011, 01:23 PM
- - Tombow   For anyone who missed this episode, it will be on ...   Nov 3 2012, 06:24 PM
- - Tombow   For anyone who missed this episode, it will be on ...   Jan 4 2014, 06:10 PM

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