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Episode 54: Beyond The Inferno - Content Discussion Thread, Warning, possible spoilers for the first 54 episodes
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post Apr 24 2010, 12:29 PM
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Talk-back/content discussion for English dubbed episode on Adult Swim starts on page 5. smile.gif


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Summary: Riza tricks a Roy-disguised Envy into giving himself away, and fires at him repeatedly. He manages to gain the advantage over her, but Roy arrives and continues attacking him viciously with his flames. Envy's body begins to decompose as his embryonic form tries to escape, but is trapped under Roy's foot. Riza points her gun at the real Roy, however, refusing to let him surrender to his rage in revenge. Edward and Scar arrive, and Ed takes posession of Envy, with Roy threatening him. Ed, Scar, and Riza talk him down from his madness, which surprises Envy. Envy tries to rile them up against each other, but is unable to. Edward suggests that Envy is jealous of humans, of how they help each other and endure crises. Outraged and humiliated, Envy commits suicide. Meanwhile, the Armstrong siblings continue to fight Sloth, with Alex tricking Sloth into slamming his arm back into place, and then plummeling him repeatedly and using his alchemy. The Briggs troops attack the front gate, leading the commander in charge to order firing at the unevacuated areas, but before he can complete the command, Buccaneer arrives to stop him, as does Falman, and Izumi Curtis. Deep underground, Hohenheim confronts Father, formerly the Dwarf in the Flask.
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post Jul 17 2011, 07:03 PM
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See it's funny because I actually thought the opening scenes with Riza were the weakest in the episode. I really didn't like how Colleen did them, for whatever reason. I felt like she was acting, if that makes any sense, without really feeling like it was genuine emotion. I thought she did fantastic with everything else, but I really thought the opening Ishval scene was the weakest scene I've ever heard her to do on the show. I preferred the original Japanese much better. I thought the original approach of letting the words themselves be the reproach while her voice showed the heartbreak worked better than the angriness in how Colleen did it. It was just too, I don't know, obvious and I thought felt forced.

On the other hand I loved Envy and Roy again this week and thought they did fantastic. I was able to listen to them without constantly comparing them to the original, whom I thought were just utterly brilliant, especially Roy's Japanese VA, who just totally completely blew me away, I mean WOW. But I thought they both did extremely well considering the level they had to live up to(imo). Travis actually did that final blasting Envy scene and the tunnel blast scene, mentioned above, better than I had imagined he would. I was really really concerned about those scenes, but I actually preferred Travis' Envy blasting scene to Miki's and while I don't think anything could top Miki's tunnel blast scene, I thought Travis still did it very very well, he came a lot closer than I expected and considering how amazing it was originally that puts it in good company. There were little adjustments in tone for both characters here and there, etc but they still "fit", imo, nothing made me go "Oh that was so much better in the original, this just doesn't work".

Vic was great as Ed as usual, I actually rather liked the whole "turning into a monster" thing a bit better than the way I remember it being translated in the subtitled version I saw, so that didn't bother me, but the first half of this episode was really Roy's and Envy's, imo, and Ed didn't make that much of an impression on me but I thought Vic hit the right notes.

Just so as not to single Colleen out for a bit criticism above, I have to say I thought J Michael Tatum as Scar was a bit off in his reading of the scenes too, which surprises me because I think Tatum is awesome and I really like the way his Scar voice is so much different from many of his usual "smooth talking" elegant voices. I'd never have believed they were the same person. That said, I much preferred the, to my hearing anyway, more laid back approach in the acting of those scene of the Japanese version.

Again I think they used "angry voices" where the reproach in the words alone, like a subtle sarcasm in this case, worked better, especially because as Scar still said, who was he to stop someone from taking revenge when he'd done so much damage in his own quest for it. The "laid back" approach sold that attitude, whereas the angry attitude was more like "Who do you think you are!?!"

I found myself getting annoyed with both Scar and Riza in those scenes, because I felt they were overly judgmental, whereas in the originals I sympathized and it felt I don't know, they were all kind of in it together, they all understood each other. I didn't feel like Riza was "judging" Roy in the Japanese Ishval scene, I felt like having gone down the road herself as a sniper--where she started out wanting to do something good but ended up doing something terrible, she understood how it happened, they were both on the same level really, even though his abilities obviously meant he was able to do more damage. And with Scar I felt almost like he was speaking as the voice of experience and was looking at it almost dispassionately. Whereas in the English versions it felt too much like they were looking down and judging Roy, as though they both hadn't done things just as bad.

But still...53 and 54 are my favorites of the whole show and IMO the dubs all did an overall great job.
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- Chiyo   Episode 54: Beyond The Inferno - Content Discussion Thread   Apr 24 2010, 12:29 PM
- - Michiyo-   - We waited so long for the “Burn my back” scene. ...   Apr 25 2010, 01:29 AM
- - penguintruth   My initial thoughts: - Oh look, a scene we should...   Apr 25 2010, 01:32 AM
- - black~hayate   Wahahahahaha! That was awesome! The wait w...   Apr 25 2010, 01:38 AM
|- - Omni   Episode 54 Screencaps and Impressions QUOTE (blac...   Apr 25 2010, 02:33 AM
- - shanryelric   ok. first of all, I almost cry because of the crac...   Apr 25 2010, 01:43 AM
- - Kaori Ayanami   Holy smokes! I saw this episode subbed! Ye...   Apr 25 2010, 01:50 AM
- - SneakyRuler   - Ishbal, at last. A few more good flashbacks like...   Apr 25 2010, 01:56 AM
- - amestris_star   Such a beautiful episode <3 All the Roy-Riza in...   Apr 25 2010, 02:59 AM
|- - Claudius   So they added Hughes to this scene? Chapter 95 gen...   Apr 25 2010, 04:22 AM
- - Jealous Rogo   QUOTE (Claudius @ Apr 25 2010, 05:22 AM) ...   Apr 25 2010, 04:57 AM
- - fma_milan_freak   Well . . Claudius . . I can't help you wit the...   Apr 25 2010, 05:04 AM
|- - Claudius   Look, I'm not arguing that Roy should never ha...   Apr 25 2010, 08:00 AM
- - Vicious74   Lol @ people thinking Envy's jealousy of human...   Apr 25 2010, 08:15 AM
- - Broken Chouchou   QUOTE (Mr. Deathy @ Apr 25 2010, 06:17 PM...   Apr 25 2010, 08:53 AM
- - Mr. Deathy   This has to be one of the best executed episodes i...   Apr 25 2010, 09:17 AM
- - TheSentinel   Good episode. I really liked how the animation tu...   Apr 25 2010, 09:42 AM
- - Bag of Magic Food   I thought Homunculus's voice was more entertai...   Apr 25 2010, 10:46 AM
- - A Pierrot's Aria   I thought this episode was brilliant- one of the b...   Apr 25 2010, 10:50 AM
- - Megabyte117   Great episode. Despite being previously upset when...   Apr 25 2010, 10:50 AM
- - Chiyo   Before we get too off topic, please carry on the d...   Apr 25 2010, 10:58 AM
- - FailToImpress   Gahhh, so emotional! One of the best episodes ...   Apr 25 2010, 11:18 AM
|- - Mr. Deathy   QUOTE (FailToImpress @ Apr 25 2010, 11:18...   Apr 25 2010, 12:00 PM
- - fma_milan_freak   Watched the raw and i have to admit that it was a ...   Apr 25 2010, 12:09 PM
- - Jealous Rogo   QUOTE (Vicious74 @ Apr 25 2010, 09:15 AM)...   Apr 25 2010, 12:11 PM
- - EveningAlchemist   It may just be because I'm having a sick day, ...   Apr 25 2010, 02:05 PM
- - deet-tastic   I've been waiting for this episode since Novem...   Apr 25 2010, 02:35 PM
- - FailToImpress   QUOTE (Mr. Deathy @ Apr 25 2010, 08:00 PM...   Apr 25 2010, 03:12 PM
- - Neurotripsy   As an Envy fan I was dreading this episode & i...   Apr 25 2010, 04:42 PM
- - Goral   Everything below is my opinion and I won't add...   Apr 26 2010, 01:38 AM
- - Kyelinn   Because he would be killing Envy for revenge for E...   Apr 26 2010, 05:53 AM
- - Broken Chouchou   Let me just point out, Goral, that all the killing...   Apr 26 2010, 07:11 AM
- - Goral   @Kyelinn You were trying to justify what Mustang d...   Apr 26 2010, 07:21 AM
- - Kyelinn   When you're in the military, you HAVE NO CHOIC...   Apr 26 2010, 07:27 AM
|- - Goral   @Kyelinn Let me rephrase then, you were making ex...   Apr 26 2010, 08:31 AM
|- - Kaori Ayanami   Please... Let's take into account that Arakawa...   Apr 27 2010, 03:38 PM
- - Jealous Rogo   QUOTE (Goral @ Apr 26 2010, 08:21 AM) You...   Apr 26 2010, 07:53 AM
- - Vagrant   The art looked really crisp to me in this episode....   Apr 26 2010, 08:20 AM
|- - Bag of Magic Food   Probably because most of the times somebody starts...   Apr 26 2010, 04:42 PM
- - Chiyo   Thank-you for ignoring me and continuing to bicker...   Apr 26 2010, 10:04 AM
- - deet-tastic   Yeah, instead of returning like Breda and Fuery, F...   Apr 26 2010, 05:42 PM
- - JELEE   Loooooooooove it when people say they're just ...   Apr 27 2010, 01:23 AM
- - Kyelinn   I really could care less if somebody doesn't a...   Apr 27 2010, 06:33 AM
- - Goral   I have an advice to you Kyelinn. Don't reply t...   Apr 27 2010, 07:32 AM
|- - Kyelinn   QUOTE (Goral @ Apr 27 2010, 09:32 AM) I h...   Apr 27 2010, 12:35 PM
- - Broken Chouchou   QUOTE (Goral @ Apr 26 2010, 05:31 PM) If ...   Apr 27 2010, 07:57 AM
|- - Jealous Rogo   Okay actually sat doiwn and watched the ep and... ...   Apr 27 2010, 09:18 AM
|- - Vicious74   QUOTE (Jealous Rogo @ Apr 27 2010, 05:18 ...   Apr 27 2010, 03:58 PM
- - IceSkadi   QUOTE (Jealous Rogo @ Apr 27 2010, 06:18 ...   Apr 27 2010, 09:49 AM
- - deet-tastic   Back on topic now.. Some of the camera angles did...   Apr 27 2010, 03:17 PM
- - Hagaren_4ever   Goral, you bring up many valid points, and I respe...   Apr 27 2010, 04:46 PM
- - JELEE   You cant tell people not to respond to your own po...   Apr 27 2010, 10:57 PM
|- - Claudius   Y'know in my review of the manga chapter, I wr...   Apr 29 2010, 06:41 PM
- - deet-tastic   Excellent points bringing up Henry VIII and Caesar...   Apr 29 2010, 09:04 PM
|- - Mr. Deathy   QUOTE (deet-tastic @ Apr 29 2010, 09...   May 2 2010, 12:59 AM
- - theanimalmafia   Some thoughts: -I gotta say, man, the art was rea...   Apr 30 2010, 08:52 PM
|- - Bag of Magic Food   QUOTE (theanimalmafia @ Apr 30 2010, 09:5...   Apr 30 2010, 09:27 PM
- - penguintruth   I rolled my eyes at how painfully dragged out the ...   Apr 30 2010, 09:36 PM
- - Green Eyed Envy   I've been trying to post here for a while. ...   May 2 2010, 12:53 PM
- - Michiyo-   Please add FMA:B English dubbed episode 54 (on CN ...   Jul 16 2011, 02:30 PM
- - Puka-chan   Travis did just a great job as Roy but Colleen and...   Jul 17 2011, 02:52 AM
- - Dark-Winds   I must say, one of the things that stood out to me...   Jul 17 2011, 09:45 AM
- - Tombow   I loved this episode! This episode tops even l...   Jul 17 2011, 11:13 AM
- - Heza   Dang, Colleen did beautifully at the beginning for...   Jul 17 2011, 11:39 AM
- - ~LilianaDC~   (Warning: truly sorry for my bad English, since I...   Sep 13 2011, 03:48 AM
- - Tombow   For anyone who missed this episode, it will be on ...   Oct 13 2012, 01:33 PM
- - Tombow   For anyone who missed this episode, it will be on ...   Nov 23 2013, 07:50 PM


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