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Episode 54: Beyond The Inferno - Content Discussion Thread, Warning, possible spoilers for the first 54 episodes
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post Apr 24 2010, 12:29 PM
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Talk-back/content discussion for English dubbed episode on Adult Swim starts on page 5. smile.gif


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Summary: Riza tricks a Roy-disguised Envy into giving himself away, and fires at him repeatedly. He manages to gain the advantage over her, but Roy arrives and continues attacking him viciously with his flames. Envy's body begins to decompose as his embryonic form tries to escape, but is trapped under Roy's foot. Riza points her gun at the real Roy, however, refusing to let him surrender to his rage in revenge. Edward and Scar arrive, and Ed takes posession of Envy, with Roy threatening him. Ed, Scar, and Riza talk him down from his madness, which surprises Envy. Envy tries to rile them up against each other, but is unable to. Edward suggests that Envy is jealous of humans, of how they help each other and endure crises. Outraged and humiliated, Envy commits suicide. Meanwhile, the Armstrong siblings continue to fight Sloth, with Alex tricking Sloth into slamming his arm back into place, and then plummeling him repeatedly and using his alchemy. The Briggs troops attack the front gate, leading the commander in charge to order firing at the unevacuated areas, but before he can complete the command, Buccaneer arrives to stop him, as does Falman, and Izumi Curtis. Deep underground, Hohenheim confronts Father, formerly the Dwarf in the Flask.
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QUOTE (Goral @ Apr 26 2010, 05:31 PM) *
If Mustang changed after killing Envy it would mean Arakawa was being inconsistent


Because, of course, Ishbal didn't change him at all. Where would this reasoning be coming from? That he was still able to flirt with girls and maintain a "normal" life? (Which, I don't really even think he has. Ever since Ishbal, he's been living only for his work, for his goal, never letting that out of his sight, in order to change the country, and atone for what he's done. I don't think he's had much of a normal life at all.) Or, as you say later in your post, that he didn't become a bad person?

I still think there's a difference in the killing of people, in a war, because you're ordered to, and out of survival, and killing someone (or "something" if you will) out of your own hate, for self-gratification.

Maybe he wouldn't be consumed by his anger like the characters present imply, or become a 'bad person'. But I do think it would affect him, nevertheless.

Vengeance isn't the way to go, if you ask me. It might give you some immediate satisfactory feelings, but in a longer run, I doubt it will help you process or deal with your emotions. The anger and sadness you felt certainly won't be gone just like that, because of it. If anything, I think it could make you more frustrated.

QUOTE (Goral @ Apr 26 2010, 05:31 PM) *
But since Scar somehow changed for the better what makes you think that Mustang would not?


You mean, after all those years of senseless, brutal killing?

And what do you mean by 'changed for the better'? Scar ended up a better person having killed all those people than he would have, had he not? Or do you simply mean that he became a better person than his previous mass murderer-self when he realized his wrongings?

(I don't consider this discussion off-topic since it's dealing with a - or THE - major event in this episode.)

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For me, this is definitely one of the best episodes in Brotherhood so far. I hope the upcoming parts requiring it display as much emotion.


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Okay actually sat doiwn and watched the ep and... wow.

While people may argue that they dislike this portion of the manga, I defy anyone to not at least give props to teh VA work. Envy's VA in particular knockedit out of the park. No one is gonna be able to match her work. The scene was fantastic, so fantastic I cannot put it into words. I actually felt SORRY for Envy in the end. The way they handled the scene was just... sad. You finally saw Envy for the pathetic wretch he is.

Also, if you watched the episode and you still can't understand why Envy killed himself... I think BONES made it even clearer than the manga.

Basically Envy was raised to despise humans, with his father and brother (Pride in particular) constantly going on about the pride of a Homunculus. So Envy's wish to be more human caused a conflict in himself, and caused him to act out against humans, in order to make sure no one ever suspected he actually wanted to be more like them. No wonder Envy wasn't very fond of Greed, his 'out' brother if you like. His line to Greed about Ling's body 'don't be surprised if your new form disgusts me' is so... over-compensatory, like deep down Envy would probably not mind being human at all. So what happens when he's found out for what he is? he kills himself.

...is this sounding at ALL familiar to anyone? Like... well-documented cases of people killing themselves in real life for a certain reason, because of the way they were raised and attitudes they are supposed to hold? I think you get what I'm getting at, and like I said those examples are sadly all too common and real, so the idea Envy woudl do something similar for a similar reason. Yeah I buy that.

The rest of the episode... was a massive MEH after that. I mean I love the Armstrongs but I was just like 'all this stuff has NO impact on me after that tour-de-force of emotion I just saw.' I really think they'd have been better off arranging things so the episode ended with Envy's death rather than how they did. I dunno, it didn't lessen Envy's stuff btu it DID lessen everything else.

Ahhh nevermind, we get awesomeness abounds next week anyway.

Maybe I'll be able to over-analyse to death someone else nowEnvy's gone tongue.gif


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- Chiyo   Episode 54: Beyond The Inferno - Content Discussion Thread   Apr 24 2010, 12:29 PM
- - Michiyo-   - We waited so long for the “Burn my back” scene. ...   Apr 25 2010, 01:29 AM
- - penguintruth   My initial thoughts: - Oh look, a scene we should...   Apr 25 2010, 01:32 AM
- - black~hayate   Wahahahahaha! That was awesome! The wait w...   Apr 25 2010, 01:38 AM
|- - Omni   Episode 54 Screencaps and Impressions QUOTE (blac...   Apr 25 2010, 02:33 AM
- - shanryelric   ok. first of all, I almost cry because of the crac...   Apr 25 2010, 01:43 AM
- - Kaori Ayanami   Holy smokes! I saw this episode subbed! Ye...   Apr 25 2010, 01:50 AM
- - SneakyRuler   - Ishbal, at last. A few more good flashbacks like...   Apr 25 2010, 01:56 AM
- - amestris_star   Such a beautiful episode <3 All the Roy-Riza in...   Apr 25 2010, 02:59 AM
|- - Claudius   So they added Hughes to this scene? Chapter 95 gen...   Apr 25 2010, 04:22 AM
- - Jealous Rogo   QUOTE (Claudius @ Apr 25 2010, 05:22 AM) ...   Apr 25 2010, 04:57 AM
- - fma_milan_freak   Well . . Claudius . . I can't help you wit the...   Apr 25 2010, 05:04 AM
|- - Claudius   Look, I'm not arguing that Roy should never ha...   Apr 25 2010, 08:00 AM
- - Vicious74   Lol @ people thinking Envy's jealousy of human...   Apr 25 2010, 08:15 AM
- - Broken Chouchou   QUOTE (Mr. Deathy @ Apr 25 2010, 06:17 PM...   Apr 25 2010, 08:53 AM
- - Mr. Deathy   This has to be one of the best executed episodes i...   Apr 25 2010, 09:17 AM
- - TheSentinel   Good episode. I really liked how the animation tu...   Apr 25 2010, 09:42 AM
- - Bag of Magic Food   I thought Homunculus's voice was more entertai...   Apr 25 2010, 10:46 AM
- - A Pierrot's Aria   I thought this episode was brilliant- one of the b...   Apr 25 2010, 10:50 AM
- - Megabyte117   Great episode. Despite being previously upset when...   Apr 25 2010, 10:50 AM
- - Chiyo   Before we get too off topic, please carry on the d...   Apr 25 2010, 10:58 AM
- - FailToImpress   Gahhh, so emotional! One of the best episodes ...   Apr 25 2010, 11:18 AM
|- - Mr. Deathy   QUOTE (FailToImpress @ Apr 25 2010, 11:18...   Apr 25 2010, 12:00 PM
- - fma_milan_freak   Watched the raw and i have to admit that it was a ...   Apr 25 2010, 12:09 PM
- - Jealous Rogo   QUOTE (Vicious74 @ Apr 25 2010, 09:15 AM)...   Apr 25 2010, 12:11 PM
- - EveningAlchemist   It may just be because I'm having a sick day, ...   Apr 25 2010, 02:05 PM
- - deet-tastic   I've been waiting for this episode since Novem...   Apr 25 2010, 02:35 PM
- - FailToImpress   QUOTE (Mr. Deathy @ Apr 25 2010, 08:00 PM...   Apr 25 2010, 03:12 PM
- - Neurotripsy   As an Envy fan I was dreading this episode & i...   Apr 25 2010, 04:42 PM
- - Goral   Everything below is my opinion and I won't add...   Apr 26 2010, 01:38 AM
- - Kyelinn   Because he would be killing Envy for revenge for E...   Apr 26 2010, 05:53 AM
- - Broken Chouchou   Let me just point out, Goral, that all the killing...   Apr 26 2010, 07:11 AM
- - Goral   @Kyelinn You were trying to justify what Mustang d...   Apr 26 2010, 07:21 AM
- - Kyelinn   When you're in the military, you HAVE NO CHOIC...   Apr 26 2010, 07:27 AM
|- - Goral   @Kyelinn Let me rephrase then, you were making ex...   Apr 26 2010, 08:31 AM
|- - Kaori Ayanami   Please... Let's take into account that Arakawa...   Apr 27 2010, 03:38 PM
- - Jealous Rogo   QUOTE (Goral @ Apr 26 2010, 08:21 AM) You...   Apr 26 2010, 07:53 AM
- - Vagrant   The art looked really crisp to me in this episode....   Apr 26 2010, 08:20 AM
|- - Bag of Magic Food   Probably because most of the times somebody starts...   Apr 26 2010, 04:42 PM
- - Chiyo   Thank-you for ignoring me and continuing to bicker...   Apr 26 2010, 10:04 AM
- - deet-tastic   Yeah, instead of returning like Breda and Fuery, F...   Apr 26 2010, 05:42 PM
- - JELEE   Loooooooooove it when people say they're just ...   Apr 27 2010, 01:23 AM
- - Kyelinn   I really could care less if somebody doesn't a...   Apr 27 2010, 06:33 AM
- - Goral   I have an advice to you Kyelinn. Don't reply t...   Apr 27 2010, 07:32 AM
|- - Kyelinn   QUOTE (Goral @ Apr 27 2010, 09:32 AM) I h...   Apr 27 2010, 12:35 PM
|- - Vicious74   QUOTE (Jealous Rogo @ Apr 27 2010, 05:18 ...   Apr 27 2010, 03:58 PM
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