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Episode 54: Beyond The Inferno - Content Discussion Thread, Warning, possible spoilers for the first 54 episodes
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Chiyo
post Apr 24 2010, 12:29 PM
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Talk-back/content discussion for English dubbed episode on Adult Swim starts on page 5. smile.gif


Please post the discussions on the content of episode 54 here.
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Please don't ask for links on where to watch this episode, raw or subbed. Discussions on 'where to watch' belong in Where/How to Watch FMA Series 2. Don't post screencaps unless highlighting something important about the content of the episode. Just like on in most area's of the board, avoid one line posts, spam of any kind or conversations between two members.

Screenshots: see Omni's post.

Summary: Riza tricks a Roy-disguised Envy into giving himself away, and fires at him repeatedly. He manages to gain the advantage over her, but Roy arrives and continues attacking him viciously with his flames. Envy's body begins to decompose as his embryonic form tries to escape, but is trapped under Roy's foot. Riza points her gun at the real Roy, however, refusing to let him surrender to his rage in revenge. Edward and Scar arrive, and Ed takes posession of Envy, with Roy threatening him. Ed, Scar, and Riza talk him down from his madness, which surprises Envy. Envy tries to rile them up against each other, but is unable to. Edward suggests that Envy is jealous of humans, of how they help each other and endure crises. Outraged and humiliated, Envy commits suicide. Meanwhile, the Armstrong siblings continue to fight Sloth, with Alex tricking Sloth into slamming his arm back into place, and then plummeling him repeatedly and using his alchemy. The Briggs troops attack the front gate, leading the commander in charge to order firing at the unevacuated areas, but before he can complete the command, Buccaneer arrives to stop him, as does Falman, and Izumi Curtis. Deep underground, Hohenheim confronts Father, formerly the Dwarf in the Flask.
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post Apr 26 2010, 01:38 AM
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Everything below is my opinion and I won't add "IMO" in every sentence. Feel free to disagree. And I prefer to refer to Envy as a "she" but I will refer to that worm as "he" as well".

And so here we are, the most annoying chapter of FMA (94th) has finally been animated. I didn't like it in the manga and since FMA:B is several times worse than manga I hated this episode. There were only 5 good things in it: Izumi's entrance, topless Riza, Roy's anger (before everything became pink and everyone loved one another and wanted to hug), Armstrong's and Hohenheim's performances. The rest made me want to puke or at best extremely annoyed me.
Firstly, Olivier annoyed me as always acting all tough and all. The whole "you're under my command now" and soldiers instantly listening to her was so unconvincing that I can't believe Arakawa did that. "Defend yourselves and don't be killed". No s*it Sherlock. And I should start with the fact they didn't shoot her on sight (even though they were ordered to) but waited until she could talk to them and until dolls came.
Secondly, the thing with Roy was utterly stupid. From berserk mode Roy went to hugging everyone, saying that shrimp make him realize his mistake (yeah, right...), etc. That was completely out of his character.

To be more specific:

1) Roy killed dozens of innocent people (and who knows if not hundreds, with his destructive power I wouldn't be surprised), woman and children also (whether directly or not, doesn't matter) as well as Ishbalans that only defended themselves from aggressors and had no chance against Amestris' superior power (and he knew it). He didn't kill Envy however, because it was, eh... wrong?! So mass murderer, trash and war criminal in one person was of more worth than dozens of Ishbalans? It certainly looks that way. Mustang literally made people s*it themselves and he didn't even budge then but continued to do a human barbecue. There was no sign of emotion when he fried people, even the ones that had no strength to fight back. What's more a while later he cheerfully talked with Hughes! Years later he flirted with girls and acted casually as if nothing happened, he wasn't a psycho and didn't kill people randomly. Why would killing Envy change him? Let's be serious here.

2) I don't know what Roy was waiting for with killing Envy. Before Riza or Ed could do anything he would have already burned him. He also should have done that before Riza put a gun into his head, it looked like he was waiting for her to do it. He also could kill Envy without hurting Ed (he would only warm up his automail a little).

3) Scar was preaching him, now that's a good one. He and Scar are completely different and their revenge was on a different scale too. Scar hated (and still hates but he is over with killing) ALL Amestrians. Whether they were doctors (that saved his brethren lives) or children (Ed, Al) it didn't make a difference to him. His desire for revenge had no end since there were many Ishbalan murderers. Mustang however hated only ONE person. Chain of hatred would end where it started with one death. He would kill Envy and it would be THE END. And no, I won't believe that it could change him in any way. If he wasn't changed for worse after killing innocent PEOPLE (not some worms, mass murderes at that) he would most certainly not be changed by killing the biggest son-of-a-**ore that existed. He was a guy in his thirties, people don't change easily at that age. And we've seen he could flirt, joke and live a normal life after what he had done in Ishbal, if Envy's death would change him that would mean Ishvalans were worse trash to him than Envy, i.e. he was SOF** himself and a racist.

4) To Riza torturing Envy was OK (she let Mustang burn Envy's eyes, tongue, etc.) but killing him no. She wanted to kill him herself though.

5) In the anime Mustang knew exactly when Envy would be left with one life and even made a special combo with his last attack and took a while with it, groaning as if he wanted to take a dump. Last explosion also seemed bigger then previous ones (again suggesting he knew it would be enough). That didn't make sense at all. Nice Bones. You've managed to screw up a story that was already screwed up beyond saving. That's an achievement.

6) As Hawthorn wrote in the manga thread, Envy not killing Riza the first time they've met in the tunnels was strange. She loved to kill people in that manner but somehow it made sense to her to go with Riza and wait until they've met Mustang? We've seen that Mustang was capable of doing very small burns so he could probably neutralize Envy before she could do anything once they've met (and it was rather inevitable). And if she wanted to have Riza as a hostage it would be easier to her to absorb her (and not killing her by the way) thus preventing Roy from attacking (just like she did with Ed).

4/10 for the episode, and it's me being generous and taking into account Arakawa having a kid and all.


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- Chiyo   Episode 54: Beyond The Inferno - Content Discussion Thread   Apr 24 2010, 12:29 PM
- - Michiyo-   - We waited so long for the “Burn my back” scene. ...   Apr 25 2010, 01:29 AM
- - penguintruth   My initial thoughts: - Oh look, a scene we should...   Apr 25 2010, 01:32 AM
- - black~hayate   Wahahahahaha! That was awesome! The wait w...   Apr 25 2010, 01:38 AM
|- - Omni   Episode 54 Screencaps and Impressions QUOTE (blac...   Apr 25 2010, 02:33 AM
- - shanryelric   ok. first of all, I almost cry because of the crac...   Apr 25 2010, 01:43 AM
- - Kaori Ayanami   Holy smokes! I saw this episode subbed! Ye...   Apr 25 2010, 01:50 AM
- - SneakyRuler   - Ishbal, at last. A few more good flashbacks like...   Apr 25 2010, 01:56 AM
- - amestris_star   Such a beautiful episode <3 All the Roy-Riza in...   Apr 25 2010, 02:59 AM
|- - Claudius   So they added Hughes to this scene? Chapter 95 gen...   Apr 25 2010, 04:22 AM
- - Jealous Rogo   QUOTE (Claudius @ Apr 25 2010, 05:22 AM) ...   Apr 25 2010, 04:57 AM
- - fma_milan_freak   Well . . Claudius . . I can't help you wit the...   Apr 25 2010, 05:04 AM
|- - Claudius   Look, I'm not arguing that Roy should never ha...   Apr 25 2010, 08:00 AM
- - Vicious74   Lol @ people thinking Envy's jealousy of human...   Apr 25 2010, 08:15 AM
- - Broken Chouchou   QUOTE (Mr. Deathy @ Apr 25 2010, 06:17 PM...   Apr 25 2010, 08:53 AM
- - Mr. Deathy   This has to be one of the best executed episodes i...   Apr 25 2010, 09:17 AM
- - TheSentinel   Good episode. I really liked how the animation tu...   Apr 25 2010, 09:42 AM
- - Bag of Magic Food   I thought Homunculus's voice was more entertai...   Apr 25 2010, 10:46 AM
- - A Pierrot's Aria   I thought this episode was brilliant- one of the b...   Apr 25 2010, 10:50 AM
- - Megabyte117   Great episode. Despite being previously upset when...   Apr 25 2010, 10:50 AM
- - Chiyo   Before we get too off topic, please carry on the d...   Apr 25 2010, 10:58 AM
- - FailToImpress   Gahhh, so emotional! One of the best episodes ...   Apr 25 2010, 11:18 AM
|- - Mr. Deathy   QUOTE (FailToImpress @ Apr 25 2010, 11:18...   Apr 25 2010, 12:00 PM
- - fma_milan_freak   Watched the raw and i have to admit that it was a ...   Apr 25 2010, 12:09 PM
- - Jealous Rogo   QUOTE (Vicious74 @ Apr 25 2010, 09:15 AM)...   Apr 25 2010, 12:11 PM
- - EveningAlchemist   It may just be because I'm having a sick day, ...   Apr 25 2010, 02:05 PM
- - deet-tastic   I've been waiting for this episode since Novem...   Apr 25 2010, 02:35 PM
- - FailToImpress   QUOTE (Mr. Deathy @ Apr 25 2010, 08:00 PM...   Apr 25 2010, 03:12 PM
- - Neurotripsy   As an Envy fan I was dreading this episode & i...   Apr 25 2010, 04:42 PM
- - Kyelinn   Because he would be killing Envy for revenge for E...   Apr 26 2010, 05:53 AM
- - Broken Chouchou   Let me just point out, Goral, that all the killing...   Apr 26 2010, 07:11 AM
- - Goral   @Kyelinn You were trying to justify what Mustang d...   Apr 26 2010, 07:21 AM
- - Kyelinn   When you're in the military, you HAVE NO CHOIC...   Apr 26 2010, 07:27 AM
|- - Goral   @Kyelinn Let me rephrase then, you were making ex...   Apr 26 2010, 08:31 AM
|- - Kaori Ayanami   Please... Let's take into account that Arakawa...   Apr 27 2010, 03:38 PM
- - Jealous Rogo   QUOTE (Goral @ Apr 26 2010, 08:21 AM) You...   Apr 26 2010, 07:53 AM
- - Vagrant   The art looked really crisp to me in this episode....   Apr 26 2010, 08:20 AM
|- - Bag of Magic Food   Probably because most of the times somebody starts...   Apr 26 2010, 04:42 PM
- - Chiyo   Thank-you for ignoring me and continuing to bicker...   Apr 26 2010, 10:04 AM
- - deet-tastic   Yeah, instead of returning like Breda and Fuery, F...   Apr 26 2010, 05:42 PM
- - JELEE   Loooooooooove it when people say they're just ...   Apr 27 2010, 01:23 AM
- - Kyelinn   I really could care less if somebody doesn't a...   Apr 27 2010, 06:33 AM
- - Goral   I have an advice to you Kyelinn. Don't reply t...   Apr 27 2010, 07:32 AM
|- - Kyelinn   QUOTE (Goral @ Apr 27 2010, 09:32 AM) I h...   Apr 27 2010, 12:35 PM
- - Broken Chouchou   QUOTE (Goral @ Apr 26 2010, 05:31 PM) If ...   Apr 27 2010, 07:57 AM
|- - Jealous Rogo   Okay actually sat doiwn and watched the ep and... ...   Apr 27 2010, 09:18 AM
|- - Vicious74   QUOTE (Jealous Rogo @ Apr 27 2010, 05:18 ...   Apr 27 2010, 03:58 PM
- - IceSkadi   QUOTE (Jealous Rogo @ Apr 27 2010, 06:18 ...   Apr 27 2010, 09:49 AM
- - deet-tastic   Back on topic now.. Some of the camera angles did...   Apr 27 2010, 03:17 PM
- - Hagaren_4ever   Goral, you bring up many valid points, and I respe...   Apr 27 2010, 04:46 PM
- - JELEE   You cant tell people not to respond to your own po...   Apr 27 2010, 10:57 PM
|- - Claudius   Y'know in my review of the manga chapter, I wr...   Apr 29 2010, 06:41 PM
- - deet-tastic   Excellent points bringing up Henry VIII and Caesar...   Apr 29 2010, 09:04 PM
|- - Mr. Deathy   QUOTE (deet-tastic @ Apr 29 2010, 09...   May 2 2010, 12:59 AM
- - theanimalmafia   Some thoughts: -I gotta say, man, the art was rea...   Apr 30 2010, 08:52 PM
|- - Bag of Magic Food   QUOTE (theanimalmafia @ Apr 30 2010, 09:5...   Apr 30 2010, 09:27 PM
- - penguintruth   I rolled my eyes at how painfully dragged out the ...   Apr 30 2010, 09:36 PM
- - Green Eyed Envy   I've been trying to post here for a while. ...   May 2 2010, 12:53 PM
- - Michiyo-   Please add FMA:B English dubbed episode 54 (on CN ...   Jul 16 2011, 02:30 PM
- - Puka-chan   Travis did just a great job as Roy but Colleen and...   Jul 17 2011, 02:52 AM
- - Dark-Winds   I must say, one of the things that stood out to me...   Jul 17 2011, 09:45 AM
- - Tombow   I loved this episode! This episode tops even l...   Jul 17 2011, 11:13 AM
- - Heza   Dang, Colleen did beautifully at the beginning for...   Jul 17 2011, 11:39 AM
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- - ~LilianaDC~   (Warning: truly sorry for my bad English, since I...   Sep 13 2011, 03:48 AM
- - Tombow   For anyone who missed this episode, it will be on ...   Oct 13 2012, 01:33 PM
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