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Talk-back/content discussion for English dubbed episode on Adult Swim starts on page 5.
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QUOTE (Vicious74 @ Apr 25 2010, 09:15 AM)
I don't think Arakawa's intent was for us to feel sorry for him (I mean he's still a complete monster) but simply to show how pathetic and humiliated he was in the end.
Not to get off topic, because I think it's relevant to this episode, but isn't there a quote floating around from Arakawa from soem interview saying that her intention was to make Envy suffer for killing Hughes. Which would also explain the slightly over the top one sided fight with him being killed over and over in hideous pain. If someone could find that quote it'd be great, otherwise I'm seeming rather silly here.
Oh and to add to the reasons Envy chose to kill himself - he was dying anyway. When Riza goes to shoot him, Scar stops her and tells her that there's no point, as Envy hasn't got any time left. I think also that Envy's suicide, along with him respectfully calling Edward by his name, something he'd never done til that point, were signs of Envy sort of maturing and finally standing up and being defiant in the face of death, even if it was just in robbing his enemies of the satisfaction of killing him.
I'd just like to say that Envy is probably one of the most complex characters in the series, and an example of why the Manga so far outshine the Anime. Anime1Envy was okay, but literally all he did was go on and on about his daddy issues and how much he hated Hohenheim, whereas as Manga Envy... he's a bit more complex. He's the sort of person that we've all probably met at some point, someone who taunts and bullies to make up for their own satisfaction. Thus he is a more rounded and well thought out character.
Wow I've made alot of comments on a thread for an episode I haven't actually seen yet, I hope I've not gone off topic. If so I do apologise, I'm trying to keep my comments relevent to the episode.