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Episode 54: Beyond The Inferno - Content Discussion Thread, Warning, possible spoilers for the first 54 episodes
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Chiyo
post Apr 24 2010, 12:29 PM
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Talk-back/content discussion for English dubbed episode on Adult Swim starts on page 5. smile.gif


Please post the discussions on the content of episode 54 here.
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Please don't ask for links on where to watch this episode, raw or subbed. Discussions on 'where to watch' belong in Where/How to Watch FMA Series 2. Don't post screencaps unless highlighting something important about the content of the episode. Just like on in most area's of the board, avoid one line posts, spam of any kind or conversations between two members.

Screenshots: see Omni's post.

Summary: Riza tricks a Roy-disguised Envy into giving himself away, and fires at him repeatedly. He manages to gain the advantage over her, but Roy arrives and continues attacking him viciously with his flames. Envy's body begins to decompose as his embryonic form tries to escape, but is trapped under Roy's foot. Riza points her gun at the real Roy, however, refusing to let him surrender to his rage in revenge. Edward and Scar arrive, and Ed takes posession of Envy, with Roy threatening him. Ed, Scar, and Riza talk him down from his madness, which surprises Envy. Envy tries to rile them up against each other, but is unable to. Edward suggests that Envy is jealous of humans, of how they help each other and endure crises. Outraged and humiliated, Envy commits suicide. Meanwhile, the Armstrong siblings continue to fight Sloth, with Alex tricking Sloth into slamming his arm back into place, and then plummeling him repeatedly and using his alchemy. The Briggs troops attack the front gate, leading the commander in charge to order firing at the unevacuated areas, but before he can complete the command, Buccaneer arrives to stop him, as does Falman, and Izumi Curtis. Deep underground, Hohenheim confronts Father, formerly the Dwarf in the Flask.
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post Apr 25 2010, 05:04 AM
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Well . . Claudius . . I can't help you wit the first part of your problem . . . . , cause i haven't watched the episode yet , and i dunno how brotherhood has handled the scene , but you do have a point about roy's character . . You know , there are some people who you need , to look after you . . . Don't use the word IF . . . IF PIGS HAD WINGS , THEY'D FLY . . . Now come on , i can understand roy . . I am like him in that sense , its just that he needs someone to help him out , he's human after all . . There are times when people get enraged , and they stop only when someone makes them understand the uselessness behind their rage . . . There are some people who struggle to take decisions on their own . . . (me) . All they need is someone to help them out . . That someone can be anyone , girlfriend , mother , brother , friend , comrade . . . Its certainly , not a character flaw , its just human nature . . .

And about envy , human nature is somethin he actually has mixed feelings for . . . He loves to hate it , but he hates to love it . . Its somethin like that . To be honest wit ya , i really think , envy considered humans to be superior to him , throughout the series , because of one factor , the EMOTIONS THEY SHARE (love , passion , care , kindness, courage , friendship) . But he never showed this complex of his , and instead , started degrading them . . . Its the SOUR GRAPES SCENARIO . . . If you like somethin , but you can't get it , you degrade it . . See , thats the explanation to the whole scenario . . . The main reason envy is named ENVY IS because although he is so so so powerful when compared to ordinary human beings , he lacks that one factor which he really admired and he is envious of humans , for that very reason . Hope you understand my point . .
Jealous rogo has explained the suicide thing pretty well , so i won't go over it again .
In a nutshell , lets take it like this , you want an ipod pretty badly , but no matter what you do , you can't get one for yourself . .Someone you despise , has it. . . And one fine day , that dude you despise comes from nowhere and gives you his ipod . . How are you gonna feel . . Won't you feel miserable , won't you feel pathetic . . Won't you feel like as if you've hit rock bottom . . . Thats how it is ..
And i hope i haven't gone off topic . . . Chiyo , forgive me if i have smile.gif smile.gif smile.gif


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post Apr 25 2010, 08:00 AM
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Look, I'm not arguing that Roy should never have any supervision. Yes, there are times when you need someone to steer you to the right path. The thing is, it appears Roy always needs supervision. Somebody always helped him out, be it Hughes knocking down Lust's life-point or Riza threatening to go Mayerling on Roy for killing Envy. The only time Roy did something alone was trusting Raven in the Blackmail plot, which would not happen if Roy had done some homework or gotten some advice about Raven's character. This ended up blowing up on Roy's face. If this Envy-battle happened somewhere in the 40s, with Roy progressing to being his own objectivity man in future battles or situation, then fine. But this is happening rather late, and it gives the impression that Roy should never be left alone in situations like this. I'd be satisfied if Riza just aimed her gun at Edward and Scar not to interfere, then said: "Colonel, before you make your execution, tell me this. Is this what Colonel Hughes would have allowed?" Then Roy would realize as much pain he feels about his friend's death, he would be hurting Hughes as much as Envy did. This would give a better point to the later 'we need support' speech. Thus, in a way, Hughes gave Envy the harsh blow.
When I meant character flaw, I don't mean I'm faulting Arakawa or saying Roy is a lousy, one-dimensional person. I mean that Roy has a flaw, like all of us. Breasts are a character flaw for Havoc and Anime1Envy's flaw is his family issues.
And thank you for your explanations on MangaEnvy's Envy (though his suicide still is problematic). However, Jealous Rogo, I think his anger over Lust wasn't about camaraderie (he doesn't mention Lust with any significance during the battle, other than she died by Flame Alchemy). Rather, he was pissed that a human ant had destroyed a Homunculus, an insult that can't be allowed.
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- Chiyo   Episode 54: Beyond The Inferno - Content Discussion Thread   Apr 24 2010, 12:29 PM
- - Michiyo-   - We waited so long for the “Burn my back” scene. ...   Apr 25 2010, 01:29 AM
- - penguintruth   My initial thoughts: - Oh look, a scene we should...   Apr 25 2010, 01:32 AM
- - black~hayate   Wahahahahaha! That was awesome! The wait w...   Apr 25 2010, 01:38 AM
|- - Omni   Episode 54 Screencaps and Impressions QUOTE (blac...   Apr 25 2010, 02:33 AM
- - shanryelric   ok. first of all, I almost cry because of the crac...   Apr 25 2010, 01:43 AM
- - Kaori Ayanami   Holy smokes! I saw this episode subbed! Ye...   Apr 25 2010, 01:50 AM
- - SneakyRuler   - Ishbal, at last. A few more good flashbacks like...   Apr 25 2010, 01:56 AM
- - amestris_star   Such a beautiful episode <3 All the Roy-Riza in...   Apr 25 2010, 02:59 AM
|- - Claudius   So they added Hughes to this scene? Chapter 95 gen...   Apr 25 2010, 04:22 AM
- - Jealous Rogo   QUOTE (Claudius @ Apr 25 2010, 05:22 AM) ...   Apr 25 2010, 04:57 AM
- - Vicious74   Lol @ people thinking Envy's jealousy of human...   Apr 25 2010, 08:15 AM
- - Broken Chouchou   QUOTE (Mr. Deathy @ Apr 25 2010, 06:17 PM...   Apr 25 2010, 08:53 AM
- - Mr. Deathy   This has to be one of the best executed episodes i...   Apr 25 2010, 09:17 AM
- - TheSentinel   Good episode. I really liked how the animation tu...   Apr 25 2010, 09:42 AM
- - Bag of Magic Food   I thought Homunculus's voice was more entertai...   Apr 25 2010, 10:46 AM
- - A Pierrot's Aria   I thought this episode was brilliant- one of the b...   Apr 25 2010, 10:50 AM
- - Megabyte117   Great episode. Despite being previously upset when...   Apr 25 2010, 10:50 AM
- - Chiyo   Before we get too off topic, please carry on the d...   Apr 25 2010, 10:58 AM
- - FailToImpress   Gahhh, so emotional! One of the best episodes ...   Apr 25 2010, 11:18 AM
|- - Mr. Deathy   QUOTE (FailToImpress @ Apr 25 2010, 11:18...   Apr 25 2010, 12:00 PM
- - fma_milan_freak   Watched the raw and i have to admit that it was a ...   Apr 25 2010, 12:09 PM
- - Jealous Rogo   QUOTE (Vicious74 @ Apr 25 2010, 09:15 AM)...   Apr 25 2010, 12:11 PM
- - EveningAlchemist   It may just be because I'm having a sick day, ...   Apr 25 2010, 02:05 PM
- - deet-tastic   I've been waiting for this episode since Novem...   Apr 25 2010, 02:35 PM
- - FailToImpress   QUOTE (Mr. Deathy @ Apr 25 2010, 08:00 PM...   Apr 25 2010, 03:12 PM
- - Neurotripsy   As an Envy fan I was dreading this episode & i...   Apr 25 2010, 04:42 PM
- - Goral   Everything below is my opinion and I won't add...   Apr 26 2010, 01:38 AM
- - Kyelinn   Because he would be killing Envy for revenge for E...   Apr 26 2010, 05:53 AM
- - Broken Chouchou   Let me just point out, Goral, that all the killing...   Apr 26 2010, 07:11 AM
- - Goral   @Kyelinn You were trying to justify what Mustang d...   Apr 26 2010, 07:21 AM
- - Kyelinn   When you're in the military, you HAVE NO CHOIC...   Apr 26 2010, 07:27 AM
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- - Jealous Rogo   QUOTE (Goral @ Apr 26 2010, 08:21 AM) You...   Apr 26 2010, 07:53 AM
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|- - Bag of Magic Food   Probably because most of the times somebody starts...   Apr 26 2010, 04:42 PM
- - Chiyo   Thank-you for ignoring me and continuing to bicker...   Apr 26 2010, 10:04 AM
- - deet-tastic   Yeah, instead of returning like Breda and Fuery, F...   Apr 26 2010, 05:42 PM
- - JELEE   Loooooooooove it when people say they're just ...   Apr 27 2010, 01:23 AM
- - Kyelinn   I really could care less if somebody doesn't a...   Apr 27 2010, 06:33 AM
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|- - Kyelinn   QUOTE (Goral @ Apr 27 2010, 09:32 AM) I h...   Apr 27 2010, 12:35 PM
- - Broken Chouchou   QUOTE (Goral @ Apr 26 2010, 05:31 PM) If ...   Apr 27 2010, 07:57 AM
|- - Jealous Rogo   Okay actually sat doiwn and watched the ep and... ...   Apr 27 2010, 09:18 AM
|- - Vicious74   QUOTE (Jealous Rogo @ Apr 27 2010, 05:18 ...   Apr 27 2010, 03:58 PM
- - IceSkadi   QUOTE (Jealous Rogo @ Apr 27 2010, 06:18 ...   Apr 27 2010, 09:49 AM
- - deet-tastic   Back on topic now.. Some of the camera angles did...   Apr 27 2010, 03:17 PM
- - Hagaren_4ever   Goral, you bring up many valid points, and I respe...   Apr 27 2010, 04:46 PM
- - JELEE   You cant tell people not to respond to your own po...   Apr 27 2010, 10:57 PM
|- - Claudius   Y'know in my review of the manga chapter, I wr...   Apr 29 2010, 06:41 PM
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|- - Mr. Deathy   QUOTE (deet-tastic @ Apr 29 2010, 09...   May 2 2010, 12:59 AM
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