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Talk-back/content discussion for English dubbed episode on Adult Swim starts on page 5.
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QUOTE (Hagaren_4ever @ Apr 28 2010, 09:46 AM)
But I do agree with you on some points. I didn't like Scar lecturing Roy, nor did I like Riza being ok with HER killing Envy, (since I always thought she was friends with Hughes too.) But one thing I do understand is why they didn't want Roy to go to downtown crazyville and just kill Envy 'cause he felt like it. Being a veteran doesn't excuse that, so yeah, in my opinion, I think it would change him. Do you get where I'm coming from?
I think because Riza feels that she's already hit rock bottom, and can't fall much further. Either this or she would much rather take the burden of Envy's murder than see Roy fall so low. Also, yes there is a difference between killing for your own personal reasons and killing for someone else, I agree.
I also think killing for your own personal and greedy reasons (even if it's to avenge a friend) is a low act, wait no. That's what I've been taught and that's the message that is usually portrayed. When it comes to comics, movies, novels, any kind of media, it's not really about what would really happen but what should and what kind of ethical message you want to convey. If I were in Roy's situation, I probably would of set Envy on fire, and if anyone jumped in my way, burn them too. But that's not ethical and that's not what Arakawa thinks is ethical so that is in fact, not what happened.
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Y'know in my review of the manga chapter, I wrote that Envy's revelation (which was not my key argument; I questioned the development of the revelation in comparison to the previous facts. Evidently, I was so angered by Envy's 'Haha, you are ants!' rants that I didn't realize he was perhaps protesting too much) gave a new insight on his murder of Hughes. For all his bravado about killing that 'moron,' it must have bugged Envy very much that Hughes chose death rather than harm the person he loved- dying for a human affection the Homunculus wanted but could never have. Not that I sympathize with either Envy. I thought both version's fates- neutralized of their power/OWNED by Alchemists or humans in flying machines/suicide or forced to kill the one bane & reason for living- appropriate. Then again, I don't think any punishment however big could ever repair the damage Envy did. Hughes is still dead... ) I am no stranger to the 'Revenge is bad for Roy' discussion. I thought revenge was the source of Anime1Roy's ruin, as I described in my essay Roy's Defeat, published here a good ten months before the MangaRoy/Envy battle. I might as well add something new. One has to realize the power of being Fuhrer. It is an absolute authority with no checks or balances or limits whatsoever. Thus, the temptation to abuse such power for one's desire is pretty strong. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Roy must possess a strong character, morality, and self-control to not only use such power wisely, but to actually dissolve it for the democracy, especially since this means removing the immunity from being convicted & executed for war crimes. One wonders if Roy can succeed against such a challenge. Caesar Augustus saw being Emperor as a short-phase plan that would lead to the restoration of the Republic. That didn't work out. Just because Roy reached age thirty with a nice post-war record of nobility doesn't guarantee he will be like that forever. Henry VIII of England also seemed like a noble king at age thirty. But later when things didn't go his way (getting no surviving sons from 1st wife, denied divorce by the Church), he violently made sure they did. By age forty-six, he had killed 1 wife, several friends (Thomas More), and a whole lot of his subjects. So Roy has quite a challenge before him, so there can't be any room for immoral lapses before he becomes Fuhrer. Killing Envy basically means he's lost the challenge. If he can kill Envy by pure emotion and no restraint- because he feels like it- then as Fuhrer Roy might handle similar emotionally-trying situations the same way because he feels like it. And there is a big difference between doing things because he feels like it & doing the right thing.