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Talk-back/content discussion for English dubbed episode on Adult Swim starts on page 5.
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Joined: 27-September 09
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Lol @ people thinking Envy's jealousy of humans came out of nowhere. It's kinda sad when you need to have everything spoon-fed to you and fail to notice the obvious hints just because they are subtle instead of in-your-face.
Jealous Rogo (as usual I might add) has a great understanding of his character and explained it pretty well, but I'd also like to emphasize the most obvious part:
Honestly, if getting THAT pissed off and outraged by the fact that he's being looked down upon by humans doesn't SCREAM inferiority complex, which in turn naturally leads to ENVY, I don't know what does.
And srsly, why WOULDN'T he envy the bonds humans share? Just look at HIS bonds. Father only sees the homunculi as pawns. Wrath only talks to him to order him around and make him do the dirty work. Prides orders him around AND treats him like trash. Greed constantly mocks him. Gluttony and Sloth are too dumb to count. Lust was basically the only person in the world he seemed to have a decent connection with, and she was burned to death by the same man who reduced him to that miserable state. I mean, c'mon now.
As for killing himself, you've really got to not be paying attention to question that, when Riza said at least twice that SHE DIDN'T INTEND TO LET HIM LIVE AND WAS GONNA KILL HIM NO MATTER WHAT. In fact the only reason she didn't when he got out of Ed's hand was because Scar noticed that he didn't have much longer anyways.
So not only is he in a situation where he knows he's not gonna get out of alive, his whole entire life has been basically exposed as a pathetic lie of empty bravado AND the one who exposed it, the only person to ever realize and understand his true feelings, was one of the very humans he despises and envies the most. To Envy, that was naturally the ultimate humiliation. What did he have to live for after that, when the one thing that kept him going, his false claims of superiority over humans and delighting in the fact that they're pathetic creatures, had been exposed as BS and it had been made QUITE clear that he was the pathetic one there? Add to that the fact that he was gonna be killed regardless, and you can easily see 'suicide was his only option', lolz.
Anyways, loved the episode. Both Mustang's crisis and Envy's death were amazingly well done and the anime even added to them with some flashbacks to certain scenes and lines. Though I think they might've made Envy's death a little TOO dramatic. I don't think Arakawa's intent was for us to feel sorry for him (I mean he's still a complete monster) but simply to show how pathetic and humiliated he was in the end.
And I can see how some people might say Mustang and Envy's staredown was too long, but personally I felt it was perfect like that. Seeing Roy's face full of growing wrath and Envy's cowering in more fear with each moment. The tension was great.
Much like the corresponding chapter, it was hard for me to care about the stuff that happened after that when the first half was so good, but GARmstrong pwning Sloth was great nonetheless. And even though I don't care much for Izumi, the ending song made her entrance pretty cool. And of course, FINALLY the HHH vs Father staredown. Looking forward to that one.