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Talk-back/content discussion for English dubbed episode on Adult Swim starts on page 5.
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QUOTE (Claudius @ Apr 25 2010, 05:22 AM)
And can someone please explain Envy's decision? When did the story ever hint to his jealousy of humans? Not to mention his suicide after all that "I don't wanna die!" whining? Whatever you may think of Anime1Envy, at least his series hinted to his issues early (Lab 5), and his fate was a logical end to that characterization (It started with being screwed by Daddy. It ends with getting screwed by Daddy). Here, it's "After 80 chapters of telling you guys that you are ants, the truth is I really envy you! Oh, and even though I screamed my cowardice to the top of my lungs, I have no problem killing myself!" Answers, anyone?
Okay I don't wanna get off topic becuase I've not actuallY SEEN the episode yet, but I can give an explanation based off of what the manga had;
Throughout the series, Envy has been swanning around, full of bravado and constantly telling humans their insects and getting furious anytime a human looked down on him. In fact Envy gets his angriest when the humans he's been fighting have been defiant, in situations where he would be cowering with fear.
Case and point, during his fight with Ling and Marcoh, he had them at his mercy and they were still defiant. Look to this fight Mustang where he's in the same situation, he's screaming and begging for his life. Envy clearly hates humans because they remain defiant where he would be terrified. People get angry when they see people doing things they themselves cannot do.
Envy wishes he had the courage humans do, and he's also shown indications that he wishes he had the friendship humans did as well. Look at how Envy reacts to Lust's death, while admittedly yes, Gluttony was far more furious and saddened by her death, Envy wasn't far behind him. In fact what did Envy want when Lust first died? He wanted Mustang DEAD.
So does Envy being jealous of humans make sense? Yes, to me it does. It wasn't as blatant as Anime1Envy's 'daddy issues' but it was still there. Envy's pride and hatred for humans all came from a place of Envy. He's a coward at heart, and he hates his enemies for their bravery.
As for him killing himself... that's less easy to explain with past scenes with Envy, but I think this one can be explained just be simply saying, Envy hit his limit. Envy had been humiliated to teh point where he'd rather die than endure it anymore. this sounds very Envy, he's hates being humiliated and being looked down on, and that moment when Ed feels sorry for him, is the very lowest he could hit. I gues that explains it? I'm not sure on that one,maybe someone else can try?
I'll post my full thoughts on the actual episode after the subs come out, but from the screencaps it does look like a good, very well put together episode.