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Episode 37: The First Homunculus - Content Discussion Thread, Warning! May contain spoilers for the first 37 episodes!!
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post Dec 20 2009, 12:22 AM
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Talk-back/content discussion for English dubbed episode on Adult Swim starts on page 4. smile.gif


Please post the discussions on the content of episode 37 here.
This thread is declared as a Spoiler zone for the content of the first 37 episodes.






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post Dec 20 2009, 01:28 AM
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My initial thoughts:

- Heh, they showed the bit with Kimbley talking politely to Winry about her parents
- ED-VISION FEATURING RIZA HAWKEYE
- Wacky hijinks... that's what we need now. Wooh.
- Olivier's "abandon me" speech made it! All right!
- I like the way Pride is moving around
- Woah, they're not getting the the reveal already, are they? NO, NOT THIS SOON!
- OH SHI-
- Ehhh, it's not as good as in the manga. And Riza's crappy voice actress didn't help.
- With all the time spent in a prison cell in this show, they should just change the name to Fullmetal Bars.
- Wah, wah, wah. Shut the eff up, Winry.
- Akira Senju. Akira Senju, you're killing me. You're killing me, Akira Senju. Compose new music.

Underwhelming episode was underwhelming. Shonen Gangan commercial with Bradley voice over was pretty neat, though.


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post Dec 20 2009, 01:31 AM
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What I think about it?
-The "what comes next episode" was... really strange...
-Kimblee, I love you, BUT you look creepy when you try to be nice and you talk way too much.
-Huh? Flower episode part 2? I hope it will be next episode.

-This time I liked the quality. Keyhole was stupid, but it still looked awesome. Like at the beginning when they showed Briggs' guys.
-The music was nice, but at the end, there was that old track when Ed and Winry were quarreling
-Winry gets nice moments. I know now why the ending contains so many Winry. Because there is many Winry in the episodes biggrin.gif


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post Dec 20 2009, 01:34 AM
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I liked the episode.
Already knew they would introduce Pride in the middle so they could put an eyecatch for him, pretty neat btw. They should have kept the rounded eyes he had in the manga (and in the eyecatch) , it makes it creepier. Aside from that, pretty good.
Also liked Alphonse semi-closing his eyes to let Ed know he understood the plan.


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post Dec 20 2009, 01:57 AM
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Really looked forward to this episode and the Pride reveal...anddd it was okay.

No new music. Facial expressions looked bland. When Winry looked like she was about to cry, it looked like Ed didn't even care. (Not that I'm a big EdxWin fan.) And why was one of Pride's shadowy things on his face? That just looked...silly. Meh ending, also. 1.5 chapters and still cuts here and there, oh well, nothing important.

The chimeras next episode look impressive, though.


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post Dec 20 2009, 02:23 AM
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post Dec 20 2009, 04:15 AM
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Can only go by screenshots currently, and even though I don't mind this sort of episode it will be anti-climactic considering what we have had and what is to come. The part where Riza gets the scratch on her face made me cringe in the manga. Speaking of Riza, one of the screenshots of her make her look different....again.


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post Dec 20 2009, 06:29 AM
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Great episode, nice use of environment and episode begining kept the nice edwin scenes especially the Riza and Hayate funny faces. Next episode is going to be great, the animation looks awesome from the preview, I wonder if Winry critics are going to bashed on her even after her awesome character moment when she confronts Scar which shows how her character really developed.

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post Dec 20 2009, 08:22 AM
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QUOTE (penguintruth @ Dec 20 2009, 08:28 AM) *
- Ehhh, it's not as good as in the manga. And Riza's crappy voice actress didn't help.

Underwhelming episode was underwhelming. Shonen Gangan commercial with Bradley voice over was pretty neat, though.


QUOTE (Vlyse @ Dec 20 2009, 08:57 AM) *
Facial expressions looked bland.

And why was one of Pride's shadowy things on his face? That just looked...silly.


Agreed with all of this. I had high expectations for this episode but it just failed to deliver.

All the facial expressions and the camera angles and the art were pretty poor during Riza and Selim's exchange, it just made the moment and the twist a lot less powerful than in the manga.

Same with Kimblee explaining his character to Ed. And of course it doesn't help that the animators can't draw Kimblee to save their lives. Especially his nose.

Also I'm not sure since it was a raw but I believe they skipped some good lines here and there. One of which I'm sure, which was Kimblee saying "I'm not a lolicon". That'll be missed.

And what was it with them having a shadowy hand appear behind Riza when she was talking with Mrs. Bradley? Lol way to give away the whole thing before the proper occasion.

So yeah, rather disappointing episode. Best part was easily the preview, which seems to have great animation.
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post Dec 20 2009, 09:34 AM
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I thought Pride reveal was appropriately creepy. I think it was -seeing- those little hands reach out and crawl up Hawkeye's body that sold the scene for me. Would have been better, though, if they strung the viewer along for a bit and moved the Pride reveal so it's broken up between the end of this episode and the beginning of the next. The scene's independent of the stuff at Briggs so moving it shouldn't affect things plot-wise, and it gives a nice cliffhanger ending.

I do wish they had at least toned down the Ed-loves-Winry freak out. It's funny in the manga, but I think that the abrupt shifts in tone work better in that format than when it's animated.

Wish they had kept the scene where Kimblee confronts Armstrong about releasing Ed and Al...
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I'm only going off the screencaps, but I think this episode looks really good!

Except when Bones screws up the art. AGAIN. Don't get me wrong, I love Bones. I loved anime1, I love the manga, and I love Brotherhood. But I don't see why they can never draw Hawkeye! She's had good moments, but this episode was a huge opportunity for Bones's animators to really make her personality and expressions shine, and they didn't except for in one or two shots. I'm starting to think that maybe she's just really far down on the list as far as which characters have a lot of time spent on them. Ed and Al obviously have the best animation, and that's good because they're the main characters. Then we have Roy, who Bones has done really well with. He's had some moments that were just plain GORGEOUSLY drawn.
Now, in terms of character importance to the plot...Hawkeye should be next. So why does Bones seem to rush/skip so many of her scenes, and put so little effort into her art?

But on the bright side...Pride looked great! He creeped me out a lot, and his beautiful eyecatch is now my desktop background. biggrin.gif I can understand that Bones probably put a lot of effort into animating him this time around, and that's part of the reason Hawkeye got slighted. But it does seem that she gets slighted A LOT...

And for those of you who have read the manga, you know that Hawkeye takes a pretty central role toward the end. I really hope Bones learns to draw her by then, or else we'll be dealing with 15 or more minutes of asymmetrical, awkward mouth Riza each episode.


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post Dec 20 2009, 11:07 AM
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'I am not a lolicon'? I don't remember that one, might have been different in the scanlation I read (all I can remember is 'i am not a homonculus'). I don't know Japanese so I can't really tell yet, but I remember Kimbley's lines in that discussion were some of the most chilling ones in the manga, and I'll be extremely dissapointed if they slaughtered it.

I enjoyed Winry automail nerding around, and Ed's freak out was indeed a bit over the top but nonetheless quite funny.


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Uggh I'm only halfway through the ep but what a damn disappointment for the Pride reveal

The only thing that stopped it being a complete failure is that the material was so good but it doesn't feel like they could've spoiled it more. Poorly paced with no suspense, no new music and the actual "original/first homonculus" frame was HORRIBLE looking. The manga panel is fantastic. They tried to do their own thing with it instead and it looked like crap.

Really disheartened by that. I always thought they'd really play up the Pride reveal since they've had extra Selim scenes in the series but it was skimmed past like nothing important!
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QUOTE (Anomia Grey @ Dec 20 2009, 01:07 PM) *
'I am not a lolicon'? I don't remember that one, might have been different in the scanlation I read (all I can remember is 'i am not a homonculus'). I don't know Japanese so I can't really tell yet, but I remember Kimbley's lines in that discussion were some of the most chilling ones in the manga, and I'll be extremely dissapointed if they slaughtered it.

I enjoyed Winry automail nerding around, and Ed's freak out was indeed a bit over the top but nonetheless quite funny.

I think it's cos Ed accused Kimblee of being interested in Winry. Lal.


What was up with the wonky artwork this episode? It looks like they shuffled all the budget into the scenes with Pride, cos the characters in all the other scenes had those funky looking eyes again. >_>

But overall not that bad an episode. I've been waiting for for them to reveal Selim, and I like the way they animate Pride anyway.


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post Dec 20 2009, 12:18 PM
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you guys kidding? I thought the pride scene was pretty darn good. Creepy as heck. My only complaint was the shadow behind hawkeye, which in the manga was just a normal shadow but here it was obviously the same as the thing in the tunnel - which sort of spoiled it. I had no problem with the art either - at the end of the pride scene there was some pretty hardcore animation with the sidewalk and all. And of course, no new music, which sucks, but that's been true of pretty much every recent episode.
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