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Does Equivalent Exchang Apply In Real Life?, Spoilers Alert!! (especially, FMA Anime episode 49!!)
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post Mar 6 2006, 05:58 PM
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If you saw episode 49, you heard Dante's speech about equivalant exchange being a fairy tale. What she's basically saying is that life is not fair, and what you deserve is all you can take. So, is it? Do people always get their just desserts in the end, whether they're good or evil? She seems to use this philosophy to justify her actions, she has no fear of the consequences of killing and manipulating thousands of people. I haven't seen the whole series yet, so please don't spoil what her ultimate fate is, but what do you think applies in real life? Are ruthless people like Dante correct?
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post Mar 6 2006, 06:04 PM
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I guess it depends on your views on whether or not there's an afterlife. A baby who's born and dies soon after would go to heaven, or be reincarnated to a 'higher' being...or a more privilaged person, or what have you.

If you don't believe in an afterlife, then I suppose you can't believe in equivilant exchange.

I'd ramble about religion being part of it, but I'm just going to leave it at the afterlife comment, because that'd be the main idea.
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post Mar 6 2006, 06:17 PM
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But, say there is no afterlife, would someone like Dante who went through life taking whatever she wanted, not caring who she hurt, live a happy, contented life?
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post Mar 6 2006, 08:03 PM
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scientifically, equivalent exchange totally counts, but all whooshily, then equivalent exchange doesn't really apply to everything. but it does to a lot of stuff. like, for example, if someone who's really strong can smash an apple really well, and this puny person comes up and they're like "whee!" and they try to smash the apple, you can say that in order for them to gain strength to smash the apple, they have to sacrifice their time and energy to obtaining such strength. howeeeverrr, if the almighty guy had genes of might and strength inherited, then... not really.

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post Mar 6 2006, 08:38 PM
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I could make a crude joke about equivlent exchange and sex but there are young ones around so I won't.
Safe to say I don't think Equivlent exchange applies to everything.


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post Mar 7 2006, 03:03 AM
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QUOTE(popogeejo @ Mar 6 2006, 08:23 PM) [snapback]359794[/snapback]

I could make a crude joke about equivlent exchange and sex but there are young ones around so I won't.
Safe to say I don't think Equivlent exchange applies to everything.

rolleyes.gif hehe

EE does apply in real life...to some extent. For example, you can't do science without balancing the equations, or else the reactions won't work...equivalency is required on both parts of the reaction (and i know from experince that it doesnt work when you get the stuff unbalanced) XD. However, in a more practical sense...it depends on the interpretation of EE--we all go to school to learn a trade, in hopes to become something great, right? In reality, very few people ever acheive the level of greatness that most people set out for. I mean, if you go to a class and you study for 8 hours a day, and your friend studies for 3 hours a day...and you both end up doing just as wel on the test, then where is the EE in that? One can argue that by studying, the knowledge that you gained is yours and yours alone, so you did yourself a benefit by studying...but, by EE, shouldn't the person who studied for 8 hours do better than the one that studied for 3? So in the end, i think that EE, in the sense that you can gain something if you put forth the effort, IS true in the real world. But, it may not be truly equivalent, because the world isn't equal...no two people are alike, so how can we expect a principle that requires equivalency at it's most basic level to work in an unequivalent world all of the time??? At least, that's how i see it...feel free to blow holes in the theory...I think i just gave myself a headache.... laugh.gif


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"Equivalent Exchange" =/= "Who said life is fair?"


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post Mar 7 2006, 03:55 AM
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No.


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Yes.


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post Mar 7 2006, 05:28 AM
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It was not an answer to your post.


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No.



I just worked my ass off on my English essay and got a failing grade. Blargh at equivilance.




I haven't believed in equivilance in FMA since Izumi talked about her baby dying either. =/


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post Mar 7 2006, 10:01 AM
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A toned down version of something I said a while ago on the same subject;

When your house burns down and you loose everything,what do you gain but guilt?
Conversly when you win the lottery what did you sacrifice?A dollar,2 dolloars?$30?Certainly not the jackpot.You gained without giving.


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QUOTE(SinLuxuria @ Mar 7 2006, 07:13 AM) [snapback]359854[/snapback]

It was not an answer to your post.

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Maybe.. just maybe, if you look at the equivalancy in the whole universe kind of way.
I'm not saying definitely, but in some cases, like lottery, someone wins the jackpot amount of money, not based on how much he/she spent, but based on how much he/she and other people, "in aggregate", had spent for buying non-wining tickets, minus overhead costs and other stuff.
If you focus on one individual person, no it's not equivalancy at work at all, but if you look at the whole picture, some stuff does have sort of equivalancy, in a sense that someone/some thing gains at the expense of others.
(Yeah, goes back to "Life is not fair" I guess.) happy.gif


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There is no such thing as EQUIVALENT exchange. There is just "exchange". It's true. Humankind cannot gain anything without sacrificing, but the price doesn't always equal exactly and sometimes, it doesn't happen the way we want it to. Sometimes, the things we lost are the things that we want to hold dear and sometimes, the things we gain are the things that we do not want. It's life.
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