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Episode 30: The Ishvalan War Of Extermination - Content Discussion Thread, Warning! May contain spoilers for the first 30 episodes!!
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post Oct 31 2009, 10:04 PM
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Talk-back/content discussion for English dubbed episode on Adult Swim starts on page 5. smile.gif


Please post the discussions on the content of episode 30 here.
This thread is declared as a Spoiler zone for the content of the first 30 episodes.


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(I just copied this from my LJ)

Not happy with this.

When I read volume 15 of the manga, I was devastated because of how soul-crushing it was. When I watched episode 30 of the new anime, I should have felt devastated, it would have been a good thing, but instead I'm just disappointed. Blah. Volume 15 gave so much depth to the manga story, made it clear how horrible the war was, gave motives to many of the characters. It makes readers understand why all those characters were so traumatized by the Ishbal war - heck, I was traumatized by it, and I only read it from a comic book! But episode 30 just walzes over the horrors of war, skipping so much it's not even funny. It's just a scratch in the surface. And the few silly scenes - Ed's spit take, Hughes dorking over the letter from Gracia, and especially the scene with Al and Mei in the end, which really should have been left to the next episode (it was in volume 16, not 15, seriously!) - were given way too much emphasis, whereas the dark, devastating, soul-crushing stuff wasn't. The propotions are seriously off there. It's like they were trying to make volume 15 easier for the viewers, but doing so, they lost track of what it was really supposed to be all about.

Volume 15 is definitely the darkest part of the manga. It's actually hard to read because it's so sad and emotionally distressing. But it's also very much a masterpiece. I don't think they were even trying to make it justice. Episode 30 is not remarkable in any way. Actually, it was so unremarkable I'm not even properly angry - I'm just disappointed in an "oh, whatever" way. And that's just sad.

Also, after volume 15, we got chapters 62 and 63, which brought back the hope. I love those chapters, because they have many beautiful, hertwarming, adorable and hopeful scenes. It worked as a beautiful contrast after the dark and devastating volume 15. I think one of the strong themes in FMA (manga) is hope, even in situations where it's hard to find, and chapters 48-53 bring this theme up perhaps better than any other part of the manga. Studio Bones is making the story a lot more shallow by messing that up.

EDIT. Oh, and Ed's face looked really off in pretty much every scene he was in, but Ed should not be the important character in this particular episode, so whatever.


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QUOTE (Ropespinner @ Nov 1 2009, 09:25 AM) *
EDIT. Oh, and Ed's face looked really off in pretty much every scene he was in, but Ed should not be the important character in this particular episode, so whatever.

Agreed. Ed's hair was bothering me pretty much the whole episode. *twitch* I was really hoping Brotherhood was past the crappy art inconsistencies, but apparently there are still some bad teams who can't draw that well...

Overall, I thought the episode definitely did not do volume 15 justice. Like Rosespinner said, Bones made the episode a lot less dark and didn't focus on all the war elements. I also like mersaydee's thinking, and I hope they'll include more parts of the volume in later episodes wherever they fit best.


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- Tombow   Episode 30: The Ishvalan War Of Extermination - Content Discussion Thread   Oct 31 2009, 10:04 PM
- - penguintruth   My initial thoughts: - Roy's master! But,...   Nov 1 2009, 01:28 AM
- - black~hayate   Okay, let's start. -Damn. They changed alot of...   Nov 1 2009, 01:29 AM
- - Michiyo-   Letís see this ep: -Papa Hawkeye!! But why...   Nov 1 2009, 01:33 AM
- - Alzea   Few things: - Ok, maybe they don't hate Riza -...   Nov 1 2009, 01:34 AM
- - Alzea   http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2009/11/01...broth...   Nov 1 2009, 02:21 AM
- - Michiyo-   Thanks Alzea, I just wanted to post it, too.   Nov 1 2009, 02:22 AM
- - amestris_star   I think I agree with what you guys said... as much...   Nov 1 2009, 02:35 AM
- - penguintruth   Things they skipped: - The Rockbells being warned...   Nov 1 2009, 02:37 AM
|- - amestris_star   QUOTE (penguintruth @ Nov 1 2009, 10:37 A...   Nov 1 2009, 02:53 AM
||- - penguintruth   QUOTE (amestris_star @ Nov 1 2009, 04:53 ...   Nov 1 2009, 03:01 AM
||- - amestris_star   QUOTE (penguintruth @ Nov 1 2009, 11:01 A...   Nov 1 2009, 03:03 AM
|- - Megabyte117   QUOTE (penguintruth @ Nov 1 2009, 02:37 A...   Nov 1 2009, 04:31 AM
|- - Claudius   Uh yes...Hughes in Ishval... To tell one truthfull...   Nov 1 2009, 07:17 AM
- - Michiyo-   I love vol. 15, too, that's why I'm disapp...   Nov 1 2009, 02:57 AM
- - alphonse-fma   Riza looks so sexy   Nov 1 2009, 03:10 AM
|- - amestris_star   QUOTE (alphonse-fma @ Nov 1 2009, 11...   Nov 1 2009, 03:15 AM
- - Forsaken Love   after looking at the screenshots, i spy that riza ...   Nov 1 2009, 03:26 AM
|- - amestris_star   QUOTE (Forsaken Love @ Nov 1 2009, 11:26 ...   Nov 1 2009, 03:46 AM
- - fma_milan_freak   im sorry ...can anyone post the link for the new c...   Nov 1 2009, 03:34 AM
- - DoxyWings   Ahhh, I wish I lived in the US with the live strea...   Nov 1 2009, 06:34 AM
- - Hagaren_4ever   QUOTE (Michiyo- @ Nov 1 2009, 03:33 ...   Nov 1 2009, 07:10 AM
- - Alzea   QUOTE (Hagaren_4ever @ Nov 1 2009, 03:10 ...   Nov 1 2009, 07:24 AM
- - mersaydee   I think they're saving some of the Ishaval stu...   Nov 1 2009, 07:33 AM
- - A Pierrot's Aria   QUOTE (mersaydee @ Nov 1 2009, 07:33 AM) ...   Nov 1 2009, 08:32 AM
- - Cece   They cut too much. My chest felt heavy and I teare...   Nov 1 2009, 09:23 AM
- - SneakyRuler   How could they? I know I'm overreacting right ...   Nov 1 2009, 09:42 AM
- - Vlyse   Was that a shot of Isaac I saw about halfway in? ...   Nov 1 2009, 10:18 AM
|- - Broken Chouchou   QUOTE (Vlyse @ Nov 1 2009, 10:18 AM) Was ...   Nov 1 2009, 10:56 AM
|- - Bag of Magic Food   QUOTE (Broken Chouchou @ Nov 1 2009, 11:5...   Nov 1 2009, 11:04 PM
- - Irena   While it's true that a lot was left out, my gu...   Nov 1 2009, 11:17 AM
|- - Broken Chouchou   QUOTE (Irena @ Nov 1 2009, 12:17 PM) At l...   Nov 1 2009, 12:05 PM
- - S.F. Thunder   I have no doubt that they'll save the scenes t...   Nov 1 2009, 11:31 AM
- - DoxyWings   Meh, I'm a little miffed... considering the aw...   Nov 1 2009, 11:46 AM
- - Mr. Deathy   ^DoxyWings, the dialogue clipping has been there i...   Nov 1 2009, 11:56 AM
- - A Pierrot's Aria   QUOTE (Broken Chouchou @ Nov 1 2009, 11:5...   Nov 1 2009, 12:16 PM
|- - Broken Chouchou   QUOTE (A Pierrot's Aria @ Nov 1 2009, 12...   Nov 1 2009, 12:26 PM
- - Meu   One volume in one episode? Oh Bones, why not two e...   Nov 1 2009, 01:44 PM
|- - Claudius   QUOTE (Meu @ Nov 1 2009, 01:44 PM) And I...   Nov 1 2009, 01:56 PM
- - SneakyRuler   Nobody mentioned Envy after ending song... I love ...   Nov 1 2009, 02:07 PM
|- - TheSentinel   QUOTE (SneakyRuler @ Nov 1 2009, 05:07 PM...   Nov 1 2009, 02:59 PM
- - EveningAlchemist   Well, despite the fact I feel like crying a little...   Nov 1 2009, 06:08 PM
- - mandymtt   wow- I know there is a lot of rage towards this ep...   Nov 1 2009, 07:27 PM
- - Bag of Magic Food   Now I'm glad I didn't read the manga versi...   Nov 1 2009, 07:29 PM
- - theanimalmafia   -Kimbly always had blue eyes? -a touch of EdWin is...   Nov 1 2009, 07:45 PM
- - montyalbo   Like many others I was disappointed to see a bunch...   Nov 1 2009, 08:09 PM
- - zonkiethegreat   Umm...this ep was definitely not as good as it sho...   Nov 1 2009, 09:08 PM
- - Mistress of Misery   The episode stood on its own; shakily, yes, but st...   Nov 1 2009, 09:13 PM
- - hawkflame   I think that having all of the Ishbal moments spac...   Nov 2 2009, 07:37 AM
- - Forsaken Love   particually since we didnt see Riza asking Roy to ...   Nov 2 2009, 10:19 AM
|- - hawkflame   QUOTE (Forsaken Love @ Nov 2 2009, 12:19 ...   Nov 2 2009, 11:26 AM
|- - DoxyWings   QUOTE (Forsaken Love @ Nov 2 2009, 05:19 ...   Nov 2 2009, 11:52 AM
- - Nzm   Really good episode. Some adaptation mistakes, som...   Nov 2 2009, 11:26 AM
- - FMAobsessed   I wish that they could have left more in from volu...   Nov 2 2009, 09:05 PM
- - archronos   Perhaps it was the tremendous expectations I had f...   Nov 2 2009, 11:51 PM
|- - Imbris   QUOTE (archronos @ Nov 3 2009, 02:51 AM) ...   Nov 3 2009, 02:38 AM
- - Jealous Rogo   Okay a lot cut, but I do personally think people a...   Nov 3 2009, 05:24 AM
- - fma_milan_freak   blind alchemist ova out...i know this is the wrong...   Nov 3 2009, 07:47 AM
- - Forsaken Love   ^ thanks so much for informin us bout the OVA i ju...   Nov 3 2009, 10:51 AM
- - SonPan   Thanks alot about the info... I loved Ed eating a...   Nov 3 2009, 11:54 AM
- - penguintruth   Here are some of my more thorough thoughts on epis...   Nov 3 2009, 02:54 PM
|- - hawkflame   QUOTE (penguintruth @ Nov 3 2009, 04:54 P...   Nov 3 2009, 07:26 PM
|- - archronos   QUOTE (penguintruth @ Nov 3 2009, 03:54 P...   Nov 3 2009, 07:34 PM
- - FailToImpress   QUOTE (FMAobsessed @ Nov 3 2009, 04:05 AM...   Nov 3 2009, 03:16 PM
- - Kaleidoscope   Echoing what everyone said, I was disappointed wit...   Nov 3 2009, 11:20 PM
- - thunderbreak   i dislike how they put on riza's sudden appe...   Nov 4 2009, 05:16 AM
- - Animeoldtimer   I was disappointed this frame wasn't included ...   Nov 5 2009, 01:04 PM
- - heartwing713   Like many others on this thread, I was a little di...   Nov 5 2009, 01:12 PM
- - Radadinator   QUOTE (heartwing713 @ Nov 5 2009, 01:12 P...   Nov 6 2009, 07:35 PM
- - Michiyo-   Please add FMA:B English dubbed episode 30 (on CN ...   Jan 29 2011, 03:27 PM
|- - hawkflame   I've already said my peace on the episode, so ...   Jan 30 2011, 12:49 AM
- - S.F. Thunder   QUOTE Eric Vale is not smooth enough as the nihili...   Jan 30 2011, 07:10 AM
- - KimbleeWorshipper   ^ Yeah, ya know, the first time I really heard Kim...   Jan 30 2011, 10:58 PM
- - SamusTheHunter   I liked this episode.......the first time through....   Jan 31 2011, 02:46 PM
- - Tombow   For anyone who missed this episode, it will be on ...   May 12 2012, 02:37 PM
- - Tombow   For anyone who missed this episode, it will be on ...   Jun 8 2013, 04:05 PM


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