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Episode 30: The Ishvalan War Of Extermination - Content Discussion Thread, Warning! May contain spoilers for the first 30 episodes!!
Tombow
post Oct 31 2009, 10:04 PM
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Talk-back/content discussion for English dubbed episode on Adult Swim starts on page 5. smile.gif


Please post the discussions on the content of episode 30 here.
This thread is declared as a Spoiler zone for the content of the first 30 episodes.


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post Nov 1 2009, 02:37 AM
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Things they skipped:

- The Rockbells being warned to leave the Kanda region by their supplier
- Aerugo weapons being discovered
- Ishbalan officers being locked up
- Kimbley killing civillians Armstrong was helping escape
- Marcoh and Knox talking
- Basque Grand killing that .... commander
- Kimbley being ordered to kill the Rockbells
- Kimbley finding the Rockbells dead


And yes, I have volume 15 with me right now. Am I the only one who thinks it may be the greatest volume of manga ever penned?


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Fullmetal Alchemist is over! Thank you, Hiromu Arakawa! ;_;
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post Nov 1 2009, 04:31 AM
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QUOTE (penguintruth @ Nov 1 2009, 02:37 AM) *
And yes, I have volume 15 with me right now. Am I the only one who thinks it may be the greatest volume of manga ever penned?

It was the first FMA volume I ever bought and is right now the most worn. So, yes, it is biggrin.gif

I was also disappointed by the episode. It didn't feel as if it held the same impact as the manga. It seems as if they barely touched upon Hawkeye's tattoo dry.gif
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post Nov 1 2009, 07:17 AM
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Uh yes...Hughes in Ishval...
To tell one truthfully, I've always had misgivings about that characterization in this flashback. I tend to prefer Anime1Hughes (plus the bigger role), who chose not to fight the war. So what is my problem with this story? Is it because the manga portrays Hughes as a killer?
NO
I've accepted that character point. I don't believe Anime1Hughes was some squeaky-clean soldier. His knife ability had to come somewhere (though I assume both Hughes' learned their skill before Ishbal). Also, Anime1Hughes puts knives into people's hands and he punches Roy in the face. Just because he stayed home doesn't mean he avoided any violent investigations (even if his body count was nowhere near Roy's). If anyone here needs bigger proof of where I stand, here is an edited excerpt of my fanfiction. It deals with a possible scenario of what Anime1Hughes did on the homefront:
"The mob started pelting us with rocks. The officers in charge ordered the troops. I was so angry. He deserved it…" He leaned his head, not exactly in grief.Gracia somehow got the strength to protest. "He was innocent."

Wrath sprang Hughes' face. Gracia saw his hand lung to her blouse. He crossed the floor pulling her with him. "I did nothing wrong!" He nearly cost Gracia her balance. Her equilibrium restoration made her see Hughes' face squeezed with misery. "Oh &$#@, everything's going straight to &%$#!" He too was losing his balance, like a doll breaking. He buried his face.

Gracia saw all of this against her normal presumptions. The feeling of utter disappointment added to her fears. Maes Hughes was an easy-going man that nothing seemed to ruffle. Who wouldn't hurt a fly! Not this man! "Maes, please…"

"I killed him." Hughes raised his face like a jackknife. The cool pleasance resumed on his face. "He didn't have a murderous bone in his body. But there was a panic...Out of nowhere he came running to me...I cut his throat then and there. Like instinct."

"Stop it…" Gracia shut her eyes. This was all a dream. It had to be!

But Hughes continued his reminisces, looking more complacent. Or mad. "I was praised for my work. They patted me on the back. Good job! I've done so much, and nobody's blamed me. I've killed and it's 'Good job!?'"..."Maybe they're right. Maybe I'm something wrong. I can kill..." The smile turned crooked... Hughes' cool lessened with his distance. His words left Gracia open to the surprise of strong hands grabbing her own tightly. "You must hate me…" His sorry eyes sparked insanity. "I'll make you hate me!"... [Anyone who wishes to comment about my writing- or lack of- Please do it thru private messages, lest we go off topic. BTW, Hughes faints before he gives Gracia the fate worse than death].


So, with that misinterpretation avoided, let's look at other problems. It's disturbing to see Hughes as another obedient-to-the-extreme soldier. Example: the scene where he helplessly witnesses Bradley reject the Ishvalan's terms of surrender . This obedience trait is a fundamental part of Roy and Armstrong's characterization in both Manga and Anime (Yes, I know some of you don't like Anime1Roy killing the Rockbells, but you have to admit MangaRoy would have done the same thing back then). But Hughes always seemed the most moral of the group. Kill enemy soldiers yes, but never the 'herd-civilians-to-the-gas-chamber-and-plead "I was only following orders!' type. Then again, from what I've written up there, I might sound a bit hypocritical.
Besides, doesn't the scene come off as potentially anti-climatic for that witness? The major basis for the Ishval flashback is to show where Roy & co. came from and how they will deal with it in the future. It sets up that Roy, Riza, and the others will eventually give the Homunculus their comeuppance. Unfortunately, we know Hughes will never get his chance. He dies without making his victory against the bad guys (On the other hand, he did give Lust that fatal wound that stopped her from killing Roy & and he is the only one of this killer cast to bring life).
Also- and I've written this twice- having Hughes share in this cast's desire for self-punishment brings up the question: Why did he have a kid?! It does seem rather cruel that MangaHughes would father one knowing he wants some retribution that will impair that responsibility. Oh well, perhaps Elysia was one of those beautiful accidents (There is that missing percent in Condom potency...)
With four soldiers (and one doctor) already giving angst in this flashback, Hughes does kinda come off as a 5th wheel. For the Bradley scene, Arakawa could have easily replaced him with Riza, her helplessness there foreshadowing her future situation . Of course, one can protest that without that scene, Hughes has no reason to help Roy. Well, isn't friendship enough? MangaGracia did say her husband helped people to his own disadvantage. The flashback in Anime1Episode25 (Farewell to the Great Man) emphasizes that characterization rather well. It doesn't matter if Hughes understands Roy's situation or not; his best friend is in trouble, and he will help him. What's wrong with that?
Well, that's my view. Forgive its paradoxical nature. Let the stones fly.
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- Tombow   Episode 30: The Ishvalan War Of Extermination - Content Discussion Thread   Oct 31 2009, 10:04 PM
- - penguintruth   My initial thoughts: - Roy's master! But,...   Nov 1 2009, 01:28 AM
- - black~hayate   Okay, let's start. -Damn. They changed alot of...   Nov 1 2009, 01:29 AM
- - Michiyo-   Let’s see this ep: -Papa Hawkeye!! But why...   Nov 1 2009, 01:33 AM
- - Alzea   Few things: - Ok, maybe they don't hate Riza -...   Nov 1 2009, 01:34 AM
- - Alzea   http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2009/11/01...broth...   Nov 1 2009, 02:21 AM
- - Michiyo-   Thanks Alzea, I just wanted to post it, too.   Nov 1 2009, 02:22 AM
- - amestris_star   I think I agree with what you guys said... as much...   Nov 1 2009, 02:35 AM
|- - amestris_star   QUOTE (penguintruth @ Nov 1 2009, 10:37 A...   Nov 1 2009, 02:53 AM
||- - penguintruth   QUOTE (amestris_star @ Nov 1 2009, 04:53 ...   Nov 1 2009, 03:01 AM
||- - amestris_star   QUOTE (penguintruth @ Nov 1 2009, 11:01 A...   Nov 1 2009, 03:03 AM
- - Michiyo-   I love vol. 15, too, that's why I'm disapp...   Nov 1 2009, 02:57 AM
- - alphonse-fma   Riza looks so sexy   Nov 1 2009, 03:10 AM
|- - amestris_star   QUOTE (alphonse-fma @ Nov 1 2009, 11...   Nov 1 2009, 03:15 AM
- - Forsaken Love   after looking at the screenshots, i spy that riza ...   Nov 1 2009, 03:26 AM
|- - amestris_star   QUOTE (Forsaken Love @ Nov 1 2009, 11:26 ...   Nov 1 2009, 03:46 AM
- - fma_milan_freak   im sorry ...can anyone post the link for the new c...   Nov 1 2009, 03:34 AM
- - DoxyWings   Ahhh, I wish I lived in the US with the live strea...   Nov 1 2009, 06:34 AM
- - Hagaren_4ever   QUOTE (Michiyo- @ Nov 1 2009, 03:33 ...   Nov 1 2009, 07:10 AM
- - Alzea   QUOTE (Hagaren_4ever @ Nov 1 2009, 03:10 ...   Nov 1 2009, 07:24 AM
- - Ropespinner   (I just copied this from my LJ) Not happy with th...   Nov 1 2009, 07:25 AM
|- - kkg22104   QUOTE (Ropespinner @ Nov 1 2009, 09:25 AM...   Nov 1 2009, 09:02 AM
- - mersaydee   I think they're saving some of the Ishaval stu...   Nov 1 2009, 07:33 AM
- - A Pierrot's Aria   QUOTE (mersaydee @ Nov 1 2009, 07:33 AM) ...   Nov 1 2009, 08:32 AM
- - Cece   They cut too much. My chest felt heavy and I teare...   Nov 1 2009, 09:23 AM
- - SneakyRuler   How could they? I know I'm overreacting right ...   Nov 1 2009, 09:42 AM
- - Vlyse   Was that a shot of Isaac I saw about halfway in? ...   Nov 1 2009, 10:18 AM
|- - Broken Chouchou   QUOTE (Vlyse @ Nov 1 2009, 10:18 AM) Was ...   Nov 1 2009, 10:56 AM
|- - Bag of Magic Food   QUOTE (Broken Chouchou @ Nov 1 2009, 11:5...   Nov 1 2009, 11:04 PM
- - Irena   While it's true that a lot was left out, my gu...   Nov 1 2009, 11:17 AM
|- - Broken Chouchou   QUOTE (Irena @ Nov 1 2009, 12:17 PM) At l...   Nov 1 2009, 12:05 PM
- - S.F. Thunder   I have no doubt that they'll save the scenes t...   Nov 1 2009, 11:31 AM
- - DoxyWings   Meh, I'm a little miffed... considering the aw...   Nov 1 2009, 11:46 AM
- - Mr. Deathy   ^DoxyWings, the dialogue clipping has been there i...   Nov 1 2009, 11:56 AM
- - A Pierrot's Aria   QUOTE (Broken Chouchou @ Nov 1 2009, 11:5...   Nov 1 2009, 12:16 PM
|- - Broken Chouchou   QUOTE (A Pierrot's Aria @ Nov 1 2009, 12...   Nov 1 2009, 12:26 PM
- - Meu   One volume in one episode? Oh Bones, why not two e...   Nov 1 2009, 01:44 PM
|- - Claudius   QUOTE (Meu @ Nov 1 2009, 01:44 PM) And I...   Nov 1 2009, 01:56 PM
- - SneakyRuler   Nobody mentioned Envy after ending song... I love ...   Nov 1 2009, 02:07 PM
|- - TheSentinel   QUOTE (SneakyRuler @ Nov 1 2009, 05:07 PM...   Nov 1 2009, 02:59 PM
- - EveningAlchemist   Well, despite the fact I feel like crying a little...   Nov 1 2009, 06:08 PM
- - mandymtt   wow- I know there is a lot of rage towards this ep...   Nov 1 2009, 07:27 PM
- - Bag of Magic Food   Now I'm glad I didn't read the manga versi...   Nov 1 2009, 07:29 PM
- - theanimalmafia   -Kimbly always had blue eyes? -a touch of EdWin is...   Nov 1 2009, 07:45 PM
- - montyalbo   Like many others I was disappointed to see a bunch...   Nov 1 2009, 08:09 PM
- - zonkiethegreat   Umm...this ep was definitely not as good as it sho...   Nov 1 2009, 09:08 PM
- - Mistress of Misery   The episode stood on its own; shakily, yes, but st...   Nov 1 2009, 09:13 PM
- - hawkflame   I think that having all of the Ishbal moments spac...   Nov 2 2009, 07:37 AM
- - Forsaken Love   particually since we didnt see Riza asking Roy to ...   Nov 2 2009, 10:19 AM
|- - hawkflame   QUOTE (Forsaken Love @ Nov 2 2009, 12:19 ...   Nov 2 2009, 11:26 AM
|- - DoxyWings   QUOTE (Forsaken Love @ Nov 2 2009, 05:19 ...   Nov 2 2009, 11:52 AM
- - Nzm   Really good episode. Some adaptation mistakes, som...   Nov 2 2009, 11:26 AM
- - FMAobsessed   I wish that they could have left more in from volu...   Nov 2 2009, 09:05 PM
- - archronos   Perhaps it was the tremendous expectations I had f...   Nov 2 2009, 11:51 PM
|- - Imbris   QUOTE (archronos @ Nov 3 2009, 02:51 AM) ...   Nov 3 2009, 02:38 AM
- - Jealous Rogo   Okay a lot cut, but I do personally think people a...   Nov 3 2009, 05:24 AM
- - fma_milan_freak   blind alchemist ova out...i know this is the wrong...   Nov 3 2009, 07:47 AM
- - Forsaken Love   ^ thanks so much for informin us bout the OVA i ju...   Nov 3 2009, 10:51 AM
- - SonPan   Thanks alot about the info... I loved Ed eating a...   Nov 3 2009, 11:54 AM
- - penguintruth   Here are some of my more thorough thoughts on epis...   Nov 3 2009, 02:54 PM
|- - hawkflame   QUOTE (penguintruth @ Nov 3 2009, 04:54 P...   Nov 3 2009, 07:26 PM
|- - archronos   QUOTE (penguintruth @ Nov 3 2009, 03:54 P...   Nov 3 2009, 07:34 PM
- - FailToImpress   QUOTE (FMAobsessed @ Nov 3 2009, 04:05 AM...   Nov 3 2009, 03:16 PM
- - Kaleidoscope   Echoing what everyone said, I was disappointed wit...   Nov 3 2009, 11:20 PM
- - thunderbreak   i dislike how they put on riza's sudden appe...   Nov 4 2009, 05:16 AM
- - Animeoldtimer   I was disappointed this frame wasn't included ...   Nov 5 2009, 01:04 PM
- - heartwing713   Like many others on this thread, I was a little di...   Nov 5 2009, 01:12 PM
- - Radadinator   QUOTE (heartwing713 @ Nov 5 2009, 01:12 P...   Nov 6 2009, 07:35 PM
- - Michiyo-   Please add FMA:B English dubbed episode 30 (on CN ...   Jan 29 2011, 03:27 PM
|- - hawkflame   I've already said my peace on the episode, so ...   Jan 30 2011, 12:49 AM
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- - Tombow   For anyone who missed this episode, it will be on ...   May 12 2012, 02:37 PM
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