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Episode 21: Advance Of The Fool - Content Discussion Thread, Warning! May contain spoilers for the first 21 episodes!!
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post Aug 31 2009, 05:00 AM
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After a week off we're back with an episode which is sure to please many as they didn't skip alot this week around, and that which they did skip, was forgivable and in one case, made it better in my opinion. Without further ado, here's my thoughts:

- Liked that they kept Mustang's chiding of Hawkeye, is a good moment.

- Ohoho, I see what you did there BONES! Cutting to Hohenheim when Wrath mentions Father, trying to make us still believe their the same person despite GIVING THEM DIFFERENT VOICE ACTORS

- Glad they kept the 'decomposed Al' joke, is one of my fav jokes from the Manga.

- They forgot to mention that Mustang knew Knox was on duty that night... eh no big deal, just makes Mustang seem REALLY lucky

- So they cut Envy's scene at Marco's place and do you know what, it works. It makes Marcoh's disappearance more mysterious


- Hmmm... Scar's return lost a little of its impact this time around, seeings as he's not really left the anime for an extended period of time like in the manga

- So THAT'S how they're explaining Ling's interest, eavesdropping. Better than anything I could think of.

- The scene with Havoc. Nuff said.

- The scene with Ed fixing stuff just made me twig that this episode has ALOT of the exaggerated style changes that are fairly frequent in the manga. Is nice to see.

- Ed and Mustang are such children.

- I actually laughed when the rock hit Ed on the head.

- Gluttony was so adorable when he's speaking to Ran Fan and Ling, was like a kitten or something. A big slobbering kitten. Of doom.

- Good cliff hanger, exactly the same as from Volume 11.

Next week should be good fun, although am I the only one who got the feeling that the preview was trying to pull the same trick as the preview for episode 19? Though if you think about it, the dialogue the narrator uses applies to both Ling/Ran Fan and Ed/Winry

Also regarding Pride's 'appearance' being the reason Envy and Gluttony got cut during the fishing incident. I'm not too convinced by that, but we'll soon find out if that's true. Though the fact they cut Selim begging his teacher to let him go see the 'tiny Alchemist' does not bode well


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post Aug 31 2009, 05:18 AM
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It might sound mean but i really like Roy's sad look @ ard min. 17:08 when he was talking about Havoc's condition tongue.gif And Ed's appearance in this eps was just waaay to hilarious biggrin.gif


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post Aug 31 2009, 06:42 AM
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QUOTE (Radadinator @ Aug 31 2009, 01:15 AM) *
QUOTE (Kyelinn @ Aug 30 2009, 05:02 PM) *
I dunno, it just doesn't look right in some places and I don't know about you but I'm getting SICK of seeing Ed in that same old jacket. His jacket changed awhile ago in the manga. Are they EVER gonna change it?


Ed's jacket changed? huh.gif
I thought that he kept the jacket until the stuff in Vol. 13, and then he used a military? black jacket temporarily, and then made a new one much later in like...Ch. 80--something.


I'm not talking about his red coat, I'm talking about that little black jacket-shirt thing he wears. He's wearing this one at that point in the manga http://www.onemanga.com/Full_Metal_Alchemist/42/05/ and they still have him wearing the same one he wore that clasps only at the top and then hangs open. I think that one is just flat out ugly. x_x I just wonder if they're ever going to change it to the appropriate one he wears.


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post Aug 31 2009, 09:54 AM
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All I can say is that I can't wait for the next two episodes for all the EdxWin smile.gif


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post Aug 31 2009, 11:46 AM
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All I can say is that I can't wait for the next two episodes for all, the EdxWin smile.gif


Me too. I think it will be a really amazing episode.
But episode 21 was really good to me. We can see improvement in graphic. And just I love this episode. I can't wait for the next!


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post Aug 31 2009, 02:03 PM
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Okay I watched the sub, and my god, the subs were hard to understand lol.
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post Aug 31 2009, 05:44 PM
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QUOTE (paperstars @ Aug 31 2009, 01:06 AM) *
Btw, Radadinator, the flamel symbol in your avatar is awesome, did you draw it?


Yep I did, and thanks! :'D

QUOTE (Kyelinn @ Aug 31 2009, 06:42 AM) *
I'm not talking about his red coat, I'm talking about that little black jacket-shirt thing he wears. He's wearing this one at that point in the manga http://www.onemanga.com/Full_Metal_Alchemist/42/05/ and they still have him wearing the same one he wore that clasps only at the top and then hangs open. I think that one is just flat out ugly. x_x I just wonder if they're ever going to change it to the appropriate one he wears.


Oh, that one.
(Amusing how the original series payed close attention to that manga detail, haha.)
Maybe during Briggs? I forget if he had that particular jacket then, though.

Ed's antics are definitely one of the best parts of this episode. Such curious expressions. XD;
I really hope that they keep this expression in later:
http://www.onemanga.com/Full_Metal_Alchemist/64/05/
(Hope that link worked.) Since that's probably the weirdest one Ed ever got.

And I bet Arakawa was laughing at us all when she dressed Selim up all cutely like that.
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It was a pretty good. It had some good moments with Roy and his crew, some action, and plenty of humor, most of which felt natural.

As it's been mentioned, trying to link together Hohenheim and Father, as if they were the same, seems a little pointless now that they have two noticably different voice actors. It was interesting, though, that they got through the whole "why Wrath didn't kill Roy" scene so quickly, and without Father even being there.

I've never been a particular fan of any one member of Roy's group. As a whole, I think they're one of the best teams in manga/anime, but none of them stood out in particular to me. But now I've sort of become a fan of Havoc. He never hit me so much in the first series or the manga, for some reason, but in this series I just want to root for the guy and hope for the best for him.

I'm pretty upset at the lack of Marcoh scenes. I realize they can save up all that for later when Envy threatens him in his holding cell, but the build up of Marcoh as this guy who is too weak-willed and feeble to do anything is important for later actions. One of my favorite later scenes is Marcoh-related, and I can't see it having as much impact now that there's so little of him in this series. I mean, at least the first series killed him off when they were done with him. In this series, since he plays a bigger role, he should be there.

They sure did resolve the problem of the Xingese having not encountered the homunculi until now, just with a few lines. Frankly, I'm impressed, though it would have been nice to have seen Envy turn into the dog.

The part where Ed goes around fixing things and everthing gets real baloony and super-cartoonish was hilarious.

I'm so glad the show is done with volume 11. It was one of my least favorite volumes of the manga. Next week should have plenty of action with the brothers continuing to keep Scar at bay and the Xingese taking on Wrath and Gluttony.


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post Aug 31 2009, 07:07 PM
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ugh, the subs were soo bad. The fansubbers actaully subtitled "The Dad", instead of "Father", and "My child", instead of "my subordinate" (when Mustang talks about Havoc's injury.

Well, aside from bad subs, it was a good episode! I wasn't disappointed at all.
No Envy fight with the Xingese, but I have a idea why. But Gluttony and Wrath fighting them is good enough. I especially liked that they kept in "How many people do you have in you", though they had Ling say it, instead of Ranfan.
Good cliffhanger!
The manga humor was great! I especially loved when Winry beat up Ed, and his soul was rising up, Al grabbed it and put it back in Ed! lol
I'm also glad that they kept Roy's line to Havoc, "I'll keep going. I'll meet you at the top". Havoc 's reaction was perfect.
I liked how they had the Marcoh scene. Made it very mysterious. Though, they do need more of him. He's VERY important later on.

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OMG...that was epic!


The animation was incredible! I cannot wait for next week. Everything from this point on is just crazy! I'm getting so excited thinking about it. I hope the animation stays this good, but I won't get my hopes up.

I have no major complaints. The Scar fight towards the end was O___O;;;;;;; lol

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Loved this episode. Feels like we're getting on track after last week's slight disappointment. The pace is slowing down generally, (I think they wanted to rush all the stuff they'd done before slightly), and it feels like we're scene cutting less.

Bones also tied up the gaping plot-hole with the Xingese not knowing anything about the homonculi. Shame that they couldn't tie up the one with Ran-Fan being able to detect them (a couple of lines of dialogue could of done it: 'I feel something!' 'Huh?' 'Is...it a homonculus?' - something less cheesy at least).

They cut out Marcoh, which was a bit annoying, though I think it added a little more tension without knowing he'd gone. They can probably fit it into a flashback at somepoint or another.

But there were a lot of good points:
-They put in the explaining which they should have kept last week (at least it was included), about Al's body. And it did make more sense.
-I'm glad they kept in the hospital moments, with Roy and his crew.
-Riza's voice was much better this episode, or is it just me?
-Ed's fixing things/helping out was very funny - there were a lot of excellent manga humour moments in this episode.
-And we had the awesome fight with Scar at the end, as well as a neat little LingxRanFan moment after Wrath (I still think him as Pride version 2) comes after him.

To be honest, this episode got better as it went along. But hopefully the rest of the episodes will meet with this standard.

As for the Hohenheim/Father comparisons they keep doing, I think Bones is deliberately trying to fool us, or pull a twist on us somehow. I know if I were watching the series never having watched Series 1 or read the manga, I would have suspected there to be some kind of connection at least. Even with the different VAs, I (being the wacko conspiracy theorist I am), would have thought maybe Hohenheim undergoes some kind of transformation (that sounds really cheesy, I know), that he could turn into Father, or Father is his subconscious alter-ego. I would have suspected some kind of Darth Vader moment in there somewhere later on between Ed and his father at least ('OMG my dad is teh evilz!' etc, etc. - except Ed would never say that). I actually don't mind what they did to Hohenheim last episode (even if they did hack his character to pieces with a machet), if it's delibrately trying to create an image like that. Reverse foreshadowing. They might be overdoing it a tad, almost as if it's too obvious Hohenheim is real baaad.

Still, it will be quite funny after having all these 'Hohenheim is evil and you know it!' vibes, we see him several episodes on helping out Rose in the soup kitchen, where he suddenly reverts to his quirky nature (I sincerly hope, unless they're planning on screwing with the plot again).

And I agree, the fan sub was awful for some odd reason. But it was still an excellent episode.


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I have to add another thing I LOVED about this episode...the manga humor. It was played-out SOO well! It just fit right in and I was so happy and impressed. I really, really hope they keep this up. I don't know how many seasons they're doing...but there are only 4 more episodes left of this season if they do a usual 25 episode season? If so, they can end at a really intriguing spot with all the action we're getting into now.


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I was very pleased that they kept the Roy chiding Riza scene. And Havoc telling Roy to leave him behind was sad. But it really followed the manga.

I loved the sequence where Ed was doing alchemy around the city to get Scar to come out. And Al was in the background with the fan jumping and dancing around.

Wrath is very fast.
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post Sep 2 2009, 05:09 AM
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For the first time in a long time I kind of enjoyed an episode of Brotherhood. (although I haven't re-read the manga, so I'll probably end up grumpy and negative again)

It was genuinely funny and had a good amount of comic moments (particularly the part with "Brother's soul!"), and it seemed to get plot across quite well. The weird art and style for Ed's altruistic alchemy was good too.
And as stuff heated up towards the end, I got quite into it.

My only complaints were I already remember they've cut the bit with Marcoh. And since they cut him and Lust's combat in the early episodes, they basically seem to be painting him as a bit of a wuss. Since they've missed the whole "Come with us or we will destroy this entire town". And the cool thing with Breda being told he'd visited Marcoh before, as well as the fakeout that came with it earlier. (plus it bridges the logic gap that the Homonculi took him)
Also, one piece of music seemed to be used badly at one point.

Oh, and although it's unfair to cite prior episodes, the ending reminded me how they moronically cut Ran Fan and Ling's previous fight with Gluttony and Envy. I WANTED TO SEE LING SLICE GLUTTONY IN HALF GODDAMN IT!


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Did anyone else notice that the Cameo guy is here again? biggrin.gif


However not in the same scene as in the manga:


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