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Episode 20: Father Before The Grave - Content Discussion Thread, Warning! May contain spoilers for the first 20 episodes!!
Tombow
post Aug 15 2009, 11:55 PM
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Talk-back/content discussion for English dubbed episode on Adult Swim starts on page 5. smile.gif



Please post the discussions on the content of episode 20 here.
This thread is declared as a Spoiler zone for the content of the first 20 episodes.


* Where to watch this episode

* HD Screen caps of this episode to be posted on this link address sometime later


* Episode Preview from FMA-2 official JP site:
(Translation by Tombow, with episode title from official sub on Funimation.com)
Episode 20: "Father Before the Grave"
TBF.... (currently I'm having problem opening up pages on the official JP site.. I'll fill in this one later. ^^)





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FMA manga reference: To the readers of FMA manga (To be filled)


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post Aug 23 2009, 05:53 AM
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I finally got round to finishing all the Brotherhood episodes, up to this.

The main problem in the Brotherhood series is scene shuffling, cutting details, to the point where the anime loses a lot of effect and becomes a confused mess. However, I think that this is somewhat inevitable when going from one format to another. Things which can take a matter of seconds in an anime may take plenty of manga panels, or a single manga panel may be presented in something much longer. Limited budgets and costs mean that things WILL be cut.

However, I think in Episode 20 in particular, the wrong things were cut, and unnecessary detail was left in. The details showing quirks of Hoho's character - including the hairstyle scene, which is probably one of my favourite moments of that volume, were completely cut. Basically, Hohenheim came across as a cold and emotionless bastard. I also think the scene where Ed and Al talking on the stairs, near the end of the anime, was basically pointless, and should have been mostly cut - apart from the obvious plot details.

Instead, the Hohenheim's quirks should have been shown properly, and detail on why Ed suddenly knew he could save Al, since Al's brain must be somewhere, would have been a better choice.

Though I think the grave-digging scene was done pretty well. I can see where those who say it was less dramatic are coming from, after rereading the manga, although I don't think it was lacking. Ed's laughter there was really great (totally freaked me out, thought Ed was losing his marbles - it worked really well). And I love how they kept the scene with RanFan and Ling eating identical to the manga.

Saying that, I think this episode would have always been a comedown after the epic extravaganza we got last week. It's almost natural to feel slightly disappointed. Though I think this episode could have been far worse *cough*Maria Ross' death*cough* which was handled awfully.


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- Tombow   Episode 20: Father Before The Grave - Content Discussion Thread   Aug 15 2009, 11:55 PM
- - penguintruth   My initial thoughts on the episode: - Yay, Hoho ...   Aug 16 2009, 01:52 AM
- - amestris_star   Screenshots: http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2009/...   Aug 16 2009, 03:18 AM
|- - Zii   QUOTE (amestris_star @ Aug 16 2009, 07:48...   Aug 16 2009, 03:45 AM
- - Chiyo   Winry looking at Ed's back.....*sigh* I loved ...   Aug 16 2009, 03:35 AM
- - Kirara   I have not seen the episode yet but I never felt a...   Aug 16 2009, 03:50 AM
- - alphonse-fma   Ow no !!!!!! NO episode ne...   Aug 16 2009, 04:36 AM
- - ed elric lover   i seen that episode today but seeing edward laug...   Aug 16 2009, 06:17 AM
- - Hagaren_4ever   -I think they cut out some good scenes, but overal...   Aug 16 2009, 07:46 AM
- - Fee   All.. the eye... twitching... I swear, whenever s...   Aug 16 2009, 10:34 AM
|- - Zii   QUOTE (Fee @ Aug 17 2009, 03:04 AM) Maybe...   Aug 16 2009, 08:28 PM
- - Jen_Elric   QUOTE (Hagaren_4ever @ Aug 16 2009, 10:46...   Aug 16 2009, 11:30 AM
|- - kkg22104   QUOTE (Jen_Elric @ Aug 16 2009, 02:30 PM)...   Aug 16 2009, 01:27 PM
- - Chiyo   I wanted the hairstyle scene too, I think just tha...   Aug 16 2009, 12:29 PM
- - Kirara   I am wondering if they cut some of the comedy scen...   Aug 16 2009, 12:34 PM
- - Womie   Does it seems to me, that Ed has longer hair in th...   Aug 16 2009, 12:41 PM
- - Alzea   Good episode (19 was better but hey last episode w...   Aug 16 2009, 12:52 PM
- - Hagaren_4ever   QUOTE (Womie @ Aug 16 2009, 03:41 PM) Doe...   Aug 16 2009, 04:55 PM
- - Jen_Elric   QUOTE (kkg22104 @ Aug 16 2009, 04:27 PM) ...   Aug 16 2009, 05:23 PM
- - Serb Alchemist   I have a download link for Fullmetal Alchemist Bro...   Aug 17 2009, 02:08 AM
|- - Jealous Rogo   Another week, another new episode of Brotherhood. ...   Aug 17 2009, 06:46 AM
- - Full Metal Elf   Well...this week's wasn't HORRIBLE like so...   Aug 17 2009, 08:40 AM
- - Womie   QUOTE Anyway...I'm REALLY excited for next wee...   Aug 17 2009, 08:59 AM
- - Trakonda   QUOTE (Jealous Rogo @ Aug 17 2009, 04:46 ...   Aug 17 2009, 09:01 AM
|- - kkg22104   QUOTE (Trakonda @ Aug 17 2009, 12:01 PM) ...   Aug 17 2009, 09:10 AM
- - Womie   Just read beginning of this topic. I have heard it...   Aug 17 2009, 09:07 AM
- - Jealous Rogo   QUOTE (kkg22104 @ Aug 17 2009, 09:10 AM) ...   Aug 17 2009, 09:41 AM
- - paperstars   QUOTE So it was... oh well SCREW YOU BONES Haha,...   Aug 17 2009, 11:10 AM
- - Trakonda   Ah! I didn't remember that panel, either. ...   Aug 17 2009, 12:23 PM
|- - Mr. Deathy   I really dont like something that they lost in thi...   Aug 17 2009, 12:33 PM
|- - Animeoldtimer   I hope at least they discuss Al's concerns abo...   Aug 17 2009, 01:48 PM
- - penguintruth   Having just seen episode 20 with subtitles, I have...   Aug 17 2009, 08:05 PM
- - Jen_Elric   The episode was pretty good. Not great, but good....   Aug 17 2009, 08:08 PM
- - FailToImpress   I read the corresponding manga chapters SO long ag...   Aug 18 2009, 01:44 AM
|- - edxwinryfan   QUOTE (FailToImpress @ Aug 18 2009, 04:44...   Aug 18 2009, 08:19 AM
- - Forsaken Love   agree, there wasn't any mention about the mind...   Aug 18 2009, 04:19 AM
- - Womie   QUOTE nuuuuuu no brotherhood next week! *cry* ...   Aug 18 2009, 05:03 AM
|- - Zii   QUOTE (Womie @ Aug 18 2009, 09:33 PM) Wel...   Aug 18 2009, 05:36 AM
- - Kasumisty   QUOTE (Womie @ Aug 18 2009, 02:03 PM) QUO...   Aug 18 2009, 05:37 AM
- - Womie   QUOTE (Kasumisty @ Aug 18 2009, 06:37 AM)...   Aug 18 2009, 05:43 AM
- - Broken Chouchou   QUOTE (penguintruth @ Aug 17 2009, 08:05 ...   Aug 18 2009, 05:52 AM
- - Chiyo   QUOTE (FailToImpress @ Aug 18 2009, 09:44...   Aug 18 2009, 06:42 AM
- - Nzm   Not bad EP, but there were some better ones. The ...   Aug 18 2009, 06:52 AM
- - RoyxRizaFan   QUOTE (penguintruth @ Aug 17 2009, 11:05 ...   Aug 18 2009, 01:06 PM
- - penguintruth   Well, even the first series got Hohenheim's ...   Aug 18 2009, 01:34 PM
- - Elle-chan   I love the series so far. But i think they are rus...   Aug 18 2009, 03:48 PM
- - ShadowCat17   yo couple posts up, put spoiler tags for hoho and ...   Aug 19 2009, 12:56 AM
- - thunderbreak   i think they cut some of the hoho scene at beginni...   Aug 19 2009, 05:03 PM
- - ShadowCat17   yeah, the Ed-laughing was definitely like the Yaga...   Aug 19 2009, 05:27 PM
- - Rain-Alchemist   I really liked this episode... we finally get to s...   Aug 19 2009, 10:32 PM
- - edo little kid   Looool , Ed-laughing was best thing ever !...   Aug 20 2009, 07:40 AM
- - BloodRed Alchemist   Another awesome episode! I loved the music at ...   Aug 20 2009, 09:29 PM
- - Radadinator   Ahaha, it amuses me how there's a ton of peopl...   Aug 22 2009, 03:22 PM
- - Vagrant   Gah, I only just got around to watching this and r...   Aug 22 2009, 03:31 PM
- - Forsaken Love   ^ you sure like to complain a lot about every epis...   Aug 22 2009, 04:02 PM
- - Radadinator   @Forsaken Love - Well, each to their own opinion, ...   Aug 22 2009, 05:52 PM
|- - Zii   QUOTE (Radadinator @ Aug 23 2009, 10:22 A...   Aug 22 2009, 08:02 PM
- - Vagrant   My problem is that there's less reason for peo...   Aug 23 2009, 04:46 AM
|- - Zii   QUOTE (Vagrant @ Aug 23 2009, 09:16 PM) M...   Aug 23 2009, 06:38 AM
- - FMAobsessed   This episode lacked action, but it definately was ...   Aug 23 2009, 08:12 PM
- - Kasumisty   QUOTE (FMAobsessed @ Aug 24 2009, 05:12 A...   Aug 24 2009, 01:29 AM
- - Kyelinn   QUOTE (FMAobsessed)The animation made it look like...   Aug 24 2009, 06:31 AM
- - FMAobsessed   @Kyelinn: I remember that page from the manga. I...   Aug 24 2009, 06:55 AM
- - Michiyo-   Please add FMA:B English dubbed episode 20 (on CN ...   Jun 26 2010, 03:15 PM
- - hawkflame   I don't know about anyone else, but I found th...   Jun 26 2010, 10:51 PM
- - deet-tastic   When Hoho started talking I did a "KENT WILLI...   Jun 27 2010, 02:45 PM
- - EveningAlchemist   Although this episode was mostly just talking (and...   Jun 27 2010, 04:00 PM
- - Disasterpiece   Great episode. I thought the VAs were superb. Fa...   Jun 27 2010, 09:18 PM
- - Tombow   For anyone who missed this episode, it is on again...   Mar 3 2012, 09:51 PM
- - Tombow   For anyone who missed this episode, it is on again...   Mar 30 2013, 05:51 PM
- - Tombow   For anyone who missed this episode, it is on again...   Jul 5 2014, 05:28 PM


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