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Episode 16: Footsteps Of A Comrade-in-arms - Content Discussion Thread, Caution! Spoilers for the first 16 episodes!
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post Jul 20 2009, 08:22 AM
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QUOTE (Mhacy @ Jul 20 2009, 08:53 AM) *
Just finished watching it..
and I just noticed...darn..they skipped Ed comparing his height with Ling..



ohmy.gif ohmy.gif mad.gif

They did cut that! sad.gif . That is one of my all time favorite scenes between them in the manga T__T.


They also cut Mustang hitting on Winry, loved that part, haha

But seriously...the facial expressions on this page:

http://www.onemanga.com/Full_Metal_Alchemist/35/09/

I am so disappointed they couldn't even get close in the anime sad.gif .


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post Jul 20 2009, 09:00 AM
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They missed the train scene T.T and the height comparison. I really liked the train scene and to me that was important because I like the Ed/Ling friendship part so it kinda made Ed seem like a jerk in brotherhood when he said I'm tired of this. Winry was supposed to meet Roy and the newspaper usage was better than her just going to the Hughes' house. would it have killed bones to put an apple pie there in stead of apples? That was just an idiotic and unnecessary change. I also wanted the Ishbal flashback. I'm really ready to stop watching brotherhood. I can't stand to watch Bones mess up my favorite series twice. This episode was just ugh! terrible.


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post Jul 20 2009, 01:07 PM
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QUOTE (Jealous Rogo @ Jul 20 2009, 08:02 AM) *
Maybe it would've been nice if BONES had just left everything 100% in tact from the manga, but then again, why would I want to watch something that I've already read? I like being surprised and Brotherhood is doing a good job at doing that, for better or worse. This week I think they made the better decision, by taking all the talky, emotional stuff and putting it one place. It made the episode have more impact in my opinion.


This. I think I've said this some other time before, but I'd rather have Brotherhood take liberties with some stuff from the manga than copy every exact detail, panel by panel. Even if BONES did mess up on some parts, they did make some good decisions.

Just because they skipped a funny Edwin scene or whatever doesn't mean that they're doing terrible with characterization and development. They'll probably do the apple pie scene in another episode.

Although the biggest risk BONES is taking right now is not making the Edwin and RoyxRiza fangirls happy. XD;
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post Jul 20 2009, 01:18 PM
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I enjoyed the episode and liked some of the background changes they made like Roy shaving in the bathroom or Havoc wearing civilian clothes when he goes to visit Falman & Barry.

Changing up the the reveal for Hughes' death was actually well done, especially when Winry finds out about Hughes just by simply visiting Elysia and Gracia rather than the newspaper. The phone booth was a nice touch as well.

I actually kind of liked that Roy and Armstrong's conversation was condensed a bit, since it's wiser to save the bits and pieces of the Ishval War for the arc.

There were a few inconsistencies with some of the artwork or something that jumped out (Roy having his sleeves rolled up one frame and having them unrolled the next - I figured it out though, it happened off-screen) but for the most part, it was fine.

I will say though that even Roy's slightly unshaven look made him look like a thirteen year old trying to grow some facial hair. laugh.gif
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post Jul 20 2009, 01:35 PM
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QUOTE (Radadinator @ Jul 20 2009, 02:07 PM) *
Just because they skipped a funny Edwin scene or whatever doesn't mean that they're doing terrible with characterization and development. They'll probably do the apple pie scene in another episode.

Although the biggest risk BONES is taking right now is not making the Edwin and RoyxRiza fangirls happy. XD;


Agreed, there are a few little things this week I was dissapointed not to see (weirdest of them being Ed sullen with a fork in his mouth, it just seemed nice and different to me) but I wouldn't say that the series has made any horrible choices. The pacing has been a tad fast in places I have to admit, but only when you compare it other anime that just drag on, and on and on.

Also, the Lin and Ed height scene, I think that's a safe scene to have come up in the future. They at least need to establish that Lin is only 15, which they didn't do in ep 15 as far as I remember.


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post Jul 20 2009, 01:48 PM
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QUOTE (Jealous Rogo)
Also, the Lin and Ed height scene, I think that's a safe scene to have come up in the future. They at least need to establish that Lin is only 15, which they didn't do in ep 15 as far as I remember.


There is actually another scene where it's established he's 15. I think it's in chapter 35. They'll probably just go with that scene.

It's really a shame the height comparison is gone because it's a legendary humour moment in the manga, probably one of the best.

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would it have killed bones to put an apple pie there in stead of apples? That was just an idiotic and unnecessary change.


I think that was because, due to the way they paced it, Winry was there for far less time than she was in the manga, so it didn't make sense for her to have any time to bake an apple pie with Mrs. Hughes, so instead they focused on the fact that she was planning on making a pie but couldn't because Hughes was gone.

It was annoying though because it meant Ed done NOTHING to make her feel better, where as in the manga he takes a bite of the pie and says it's delicious.

About the Ishval flashback, I think they aren't bothering with that since they're going to be animating all those scenes at a later point anyway and don't feel the need to repeat things. They've had little snippets in other episodes at least though and I'm confident they will animate the big one (though I seriously hope it isn't a one episode rush job like Greed).
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post Jul 20 2009, 02:03 PM
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Not a bad episode. Better pacing this time around.

I was SO happy they left in Barry - I was sure they wouldn't. Even though they changed around the dialouge, it was still funny, especially adding the line about Riza XD

Taking out the height comparison was sad...but hopefully you're all right, and they'll add it later on *crosses fingers*

Ross telling them wasn't too bad, after all. I'm looking forward to seeing a lot of her next week...

The pie thing made sense, but it was kind of awkward when she started crying and there was no pie lol

Sheska is adorable, BTW. And Riza's eyes are gigantic.


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This is my favourite episode of Brotherhood so far, with last weeks coming in close second.

I think they've finally hit the right note with the pacing and I hope it stays this way. Any faster and I'll be disappointed again. I actually thought the little changes they inserted worked overall, especially the Maria Ross part. I liked the manga version too, but the creators clearly made select choices as to what they thought would work in animated form and I think they made the right ones this episode. Maria realising what she had let slip, her horror, and Ed's gradual comprehension (the look on his face! ohmy.gif ) made the scene all the more intense for me. The scene with Elysia and Gracia definitely tugged on my heartstrings too! More so then Hughes' death strangely enough. But maybe thats because I've seen the funeral twice now and once its hit hard the first time, its hard to do so again without the shock factor. The Elrics running past the phone booth was an ominous touch. Hearing Gracia crying was effective dramatically and got the same response from me as Ed looking up at the window in the manga and seeing Gracia crying. It was very saddening.

I was trying to pay more attention to the music then in previous episodes . It was okay, it fitted, but was nothing spectacular. I wouldn't say its a strong point in the series so far unlike it was in FMA1. They could improve on that. I missed the Ishbal flashback in the bathroom and the Ling height comparison. But I've finally, FINALLY got used to Edward's bleach blonde hair! I was so in love with his first series golden hair. Gah. Its change affected me more then it should. Lol, ridiculous.

I'm a BIG fan of the first dub and was going to wait till Brotherhood was dubbed, but I can't help myself now. tongue.gif Its getting good. Although they shouldn't have rushed the beginning to reach this point, in my opinion. And shouldn't have relied on the old anime/manga to fill in the blanks as they skipped ahead. A new adaption is a new adaption and should be treated as such. But even moreso for the newbies to the show. I didn't feel there was any need for such a fast, condensed version of the beginning when the manga offers so much more to include. But hey, we're here now. I can't wait for next week after seeing the preview. I want to see how they handle it cause I really love that part of the manga.

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post Jul 20 2009, 02:30 PM
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They actually aren't rushing as much as they did for the old anime stuff. And also, it may seem like they are rushing because it seems like a lot of material when you read it, but once you put it in an episode it's shorter. I think the pacing for this episode was good. I think they should have left the scene where we see that Armstrong abandoned Ishbal, but that's one of my biggest complaints. I also wanted the scene where Winry and Riza met each other again and made comments about the hair/earrings in the manga, it's a nice wink to those who read the gaidens. I didn't mind the pie being left out that much, especially because she had the apples in front of her. It's like a way of saying "the pie is incomplete right now, so is Winry's wish of having Hughes taste it someday." And the end of the episode was great!

My eyes actually watered when I saw Ross' face when she realized that she had accidentally told Ed about Hughes' death. I also thought it appropriate because since she is the one who was later accused, it'll have more of an impact on those who haven't read the manga because they saw a little more of her and in that scene we see her genuine sadness about the whole thing. And it'll affect Ed more too I guess.


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Very sad episode... It is getting better, and better!!! biggrin.gif


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QUOTE (BluePhoenix @ Jul 20 2009, 05:30 PM) *
My eyes actually watered when I saw Ross' face when she realized that she had accidentally told Ed about Hughes' death. I also thought it appropriate because since she is the one who was later accused, it'll have more of an impact on those who haven't read the manga because they saw a little more of her and in that scene we see her genuine sadness about the whole thing. And it'll affect Ed more too I guess.


I agree with this. More emotional fodder for the next episode.

The pacing, fortunately, was very good this episode (with the exception of Ed's running scene, which stretched just long enough to be awkward). This anime is still pretty touch-and-go right now - I never know whether the next episode will be brilliant or crap - so I suppose I'd better be happy for any little improvements.

The phone booth and Gracia crying scenes were interesting touches. Somehow, I found this episode more emotional and depressing than Hughes' death; possibly the latter lost some emotional impact for me after seeing it so many times, and it was rather badly paced. But this one...I haven't been this moved since Nina.

Nevertheless, the music could use some work. I miss FMA1's music. Sigh.

Great ending, lots of suspense. Loads of epic coming up next week. Waiting for the next episode of Brotherhood is always kind of painful for me, since I can't help suspecting that it'll be screwed up again, but I guess I'll remain cautiously optimistic.


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Am I the only one who wants to talk about the whole 503 thing? Is that really the only reason 503 is EdxWin's number? Really? 'Cause I was under the impression it had to do with something like... jeans called Edwin or something? I don't remember, someone please explain. >_<


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Pretty goood episode smile.gif My favourite part was the EdxWinry scene of course! When Winry took Ed's hand it was so cute I even took a picture of it it with my camera tongue.gif I didn't mind Ed and Al finding out about Hughes' death from Maria. I was a little disappointed that they left out the height comparison thing between Ed and Ling mellow.gif


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QUOTE (Hagaren_4ever @ Jul 20 2009, 08:27 PM) *
Am I the only one who wants to talk about the whole 503 thing? Is that really the only reason 503 is EdxWin's number? Really? 'Cause I was under the impression it had to do with something like... jeans called Edwin or something? I don't remember, someone please explain. >_<


Yeah, apparently a company called Edwin makes jeans, and the number 503 is involved...somewhere...well check out their website for yourself. I was surprised that they included that extra bit of EdxWin in there, though they did sort of screw up the apple pie scene.


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QUOTE (kkg22104 @ Jul 20 2009, 07:34 PM) *
QUOTE (Hagaren_4ever @ Jul 20 2009, 08:27 PM) *
Am I the only one who wants to talk about the whole 503 thing? Is that really the only reason 503 is EdxWin's number? Really? 'Cause I was under the impression it had to do with something like... jeans called Edwin or something? I don't remember, someone please explain. >_<


Yeah, apparently a company called Edwin makes jeans, and the number 503 is involved...somewhere...well check out their website for yourself. I was surprised that they included that extra bit of EdxWin in there, though they did sort of screw up the apple pie scene.



Wow, thats really interesitng. I think someone should post this info on the Ed winry thread.
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