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Chapter 97 "Regular" Discussion Thread For First Time Readers (and Others), No future chapter spoilers here, please. :)
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post Jul 10 2009, 05:50 AM
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Whew!! For a brief moment, I thought we lost Buccaneer!! ohmy.gif
Glad that was not so!! ^^ And, I like Falman in this chapter!! The fact that he knows that he would get killed if he doesn't open the gate, and he is completely scared, yet he stays loyal to Roy, and refuses to open the gate for Bradley!!! Awesome!!! biggrin.gif



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What exactly does "tadaima" mean?

@mazam - As posted by Michiyo-, the customary use of the word "tadaima" is something equivalent of "I'm home" or "I have returned."
The longer form of that sentence is "Tadaima kaerimashita" (I have returned now.)
The word "tadaima" means "now" and the word is still very much used in this meaning also. But, in addition, in modern Japanese language "tadaima" as a shorter form of "Tadaima kaerimashita" is used to proclaim the return, as in "I'm home" or "I have returned." smile.gif

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(I haven't corrected typos and syntax errors yet, and I may change the spellings for some of the names in this chapter, but otherwise the content of the translation itself is fairly accurate. ^^)


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I am surprised at the lack of discussion for this chapter (not to mention the lack of scanlation, although maybe that has something to do with it).
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Finished translating. enjoy!
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Page 1 (cover):
Yellow/Pink text: Transmuting our way into summer!

Page 2:
Text: From past to present,
bound by fate.

Title: Chapter 97 - The Two Philosophers

Page 3:
Side: What became of Hohenheim after the calamity at Xerxes?

SFX: Shuffle shuffle

SFX: Shuffle shuffle
Hohenheim: Just calm down...
I only want to talk...

Please, just listen to me...
You too...listen...
Yes...Yes.

Page 4:
Hohenheim: You're...
Not alone...

SFX: Slump

People: That a person?
It doesn't look like an ox or horse...

Page 5:
Guy1: Blonde hair...He must be from the West.
Guy2: We should at least bury him properly.

Hohenheim: Nh...
Guy: Aah!

...He's alive.
Guy2: No way!

Think you can you drink this?
Guy1: Don't gulp it all down, sip slowly.

Can you understand us?
We're traveling merchants from Xing.
Where were you going?

Hohenheim: Nowhere to go...
No home to return to...
Too scared to stay...
I ran...

Page 6:
Hohenheim: ...I know.
I'm sorry.
I couldn't stop him...

I'm sorry...
So very sorry...

Sargens, a man from a long line of carpenters.
He did a lot of repair work on the palace.
His son, Dozul, who respected his father and wanted to follow in his footsteps.

SFX: CLANG CLANG CLANG
Hohenheim: A young flower girl, Kaya.
A kinder, gentler girl you'll never meet.

Sally, a horse breeder. Loved to drink, that one.
We had a lot in common.
A young boy named Tommy, who wanted to be a scholar.

Gidalsh was a chef
who once got fired for giving free food to poor, penniless travelers.
One of my fellow slaves, Andre. He never liked how I managed to earn the master's favor.
Zuul, a terrible criminal executed for his crimes. He seemed beyond rehabilitation, but even he wants to punish you for your crimes.

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Hohenheim: THEY are the souls that have taken over you.

SFX: throb throb

Hohenheim: They're all helping me for one purpose - to defeat YOU.

Father: The individual souls of a Philosopher's Stone...are helping you?!

A mere mass of energy?
Hohenheim: You didn't think it was possible?

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Hohenheim: Sure, it was maddening to isolate their souls one by one from a churning, raging collective.

But I had PLENTY of time to talk to them,
thanks to the immortal body you so generously gave me.

Father: Talk?!
Hohenheim: Yup.
Another thing you never managed to do...

I have talked TO, and come to an understanding WITH
EVERY SINGLE ONE of the 536,329 people contained inside me!

Page 9:
Hohenheim: And with their power,
I'll destroy your container once and for all.

SFX: TWING

Souls: UOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

SFX: SHOOM

Page 10:
SoulS: UOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

SFX: Tear

SFX: SPLURCH

Page 11:
SFX: Shink

Father: Curse...
You...
SFX: Grab

SFX: Snap

Hohenheim: You're going back where you belong,
my little friend in the flask.

Page 12:
SFX: SNIKT

Hohenheim: Feel the pain of the men and women you despised so much.

SFX: Blurp blurp

Page 13:
SFX: KHACK

SFX: Wobble wobble

SFX: Wobble wobble

SFX: Shff shff

Page 14:
SFX: Splat

SFX: Drip drip

SFX: Ghwuuuu

SFX: Shhhlp

Page 15:
SFX: SSSSSF

SFX: Gulp

Flask: Who's despising whom here, Hohenheim?
SFX: Zuruzuruzuru

Flask: You're not the only ones who've evolved!
SFX: Zuruzuruzuru

Page 16:
SFX: ZUUUUU

Page 17:
Dolls: GAAAH

Soliders: Waaaagh!

SFX: BRUUMMMMMMM

Bucc: Go surrender at the main HQ!
Get going!
Soliders: Y-Yessir!
Thank you!

Bucc: I gotta say...
The fact that these dolls killed so many Central soldiers really made things easy for us.

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Bucc: Move forward and take the main gate!
Falman: Sir!

SFX: Wham wham wham

SFX: CRACK

SFX: Slice

SFX: Whap whap whap whap
Soldiers: They...don't need us.

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Old guy: Damn you, damn you!
What is this?!

You were made to follow OUR orders!
Did that man lie to us?!

Stay back, stay back!
I can't die here! Not me!

SFX: GAH
Guy: AAIIIIIEEE!

SFX: Snap

Page 20:
Old guy: Oh...
SFX: THUD

Old guy: I-I-I-I dunno who you are, but thank you!
Stay with me! When we get outta here,
I'll make you-

SFX: THOCK
Old guy: DWUH-

Izumi: Would you mind telling me a few things
about "that man?"

SFX: tak tak tak tak tak

Page 21:
Soldier: Major,
take a look...

Eww...

Alex: The Fuhrer's chamber...what a mess.

Soldier: Are you going to run things from here, ma'am?

Page 22:
Olivier: I can't fathom why ANYONE would sit in such an easily-sniped spot.
Let's go!
Soldier: Y-Yes ma'am!

Alex: Sister.

Soldiers: Where does this stairway go?
It looks like it continues down pretty far.

Alex: This must be where the dolls came from, no?
Olivier: Meaning it's connected to the underground.

Solider: Yes. Yes.
Roger.

Page 23:
Solider: Captain Buccaneer has arrived at the main gate.

Little resistance, few injuries to our men.
SFX: Yadda yadda

SFX: Yadda yadda
Soldier: The tank squad is in position as well!

Page 24:
Radios: This is the West Gate.
Briggs White Team has captured the area.

North gate here.
Black Team has captured the area.

Blue team,
East gate taken!

Yellow team,
Weapon and ammo depot is under our control.

Radio guy: Captain!

Operator: Buccaneer's team is to stand by.

Keep all gates closed and locked until the teams inside exterminate the remaining artificial soldiers.

Page 25:
Operator: And may I say, great job Major General Armstrong!

Over 90% of Central HQ is under our control.

Falman: Ahh, crap.
Colonel Mustang didn't get here quick enough...

Operator: We...

Buccaneer: Win!

Page 26:
Bradley: Hello, everyone.

I see things have gotten quite out of hand during my absence.

I am coming to personally retake control of my country and put down this coup.
Any available Central troops are to assist me.
SFX: Rabble rabble rabble

Page 27:
Olivier: King Bradley!!

Bucc: Bradley?!
Falman: ...., he's still alive?!

Radios: Where, where is he?!
Where's he attacking from?!

Falman: Huh?

Page 28:
Bradley: From the front.
SFX: DUN DUN DUN

Falman: What the hell?!

Page 29:
Bradley: What need is there for a king to enter his OWN castle through the back door?

Bucc: The Fuhrer's a homunculus...
Tank squad, retreat!

SFX: Grind grind grind

SFX: Dash

Soliders: Fire!
Fire at will!
SFX: RATATATATATATATA

Page 30:
SFX: Shink

SFX: Slashslashslashslashslashslashslash

SFX: RATATATATATATATATATATATA
SFX: RATATATATATATATATATATATA

Page 31:
SFX: KABOOOOOOOM

SFX: CRAAAAAACK
Driver: Got 'em-

SFX: KSSSH

Page 32:
SFX: Slummmp

Codriver: ...Move.
Crush him!

Page 33:
SFX: GRINNND

SFX: Whizz
bubble: SHINNG

SFX: CLANNNNGE

SFX: BRRRRRRRRRRR
Bubble: Waaaaa-

Page 34:
SFX: BRRRRRRRRRRRR
Codriver: Mother
f*!@er!

Where are you, Bradley...?!

SFX: THUNK

SFX: BOOOOOOOOOOOOM

Page 35:
Bucc: Nngh-

One person can't take down a TANK! It's impossible!

SFX: Whooosh

SFX: Ting ting ting ting

Page 36:
Bucc: Nngh-

Bubble: NUOOOOAH!
SFX: BRRRRMMMM

SFX: SLASH

Page 37:
SFX: CRACK

SFX: CRAAAAASH

Page 38:
Falman: Captain Buccaneer!

SFX: STOMP

SFX: Step step

Bradley: Well?
The master has come home.

Open the door.

Page 39:
SFX: Tremble tremoble

Bradley: OPEN THE DOOR,
Falman.

SFX: Slip

Falman: I'm sorry, Colonel Mustang...
I...
SFX: Drip drip

Page 40:
Falman: I might be on my way out...
SFX: Click

Bucc: Oh, come on.
Don't cry like a girl when you act like a man.

Besides, no one around here is manlier than ME!
SFX: Clink

Page 41:
Bucc: Let's go, Bradley!

I can still fight!

Bradley: So pointless.
Is this what you humans call "bravery in the face of death?"

Greed: Yup, that's the gist of it!

I mean, letting your emotions take over and talking a big game doesn't actually change anything, but...

Page 41:
Greed: At the same time,

When I see someone acting like that, I just can't bring myself
to leave 'em hanging!

Text: Greed returns! It's time for a homunculus showdown!
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QUOTE ("Goral")
I must say that Bradley is the most impressive homonculus of the lot.


The guy is the main villain for me. You know, not the one above all the others, but certainly the one who gave the good guys the most of their problems! This guy is nearly unbeatable in combat, has a good grasp of the human mind (something that Father definitely lacks) and is good at strategies.
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ooo Father looks scarrrrry now! >_< hee i loved this chapter! A tad dissopointed at the lack of Ed and Al but the other characters were been incrediably awesome so i don't care not seeing them for a couple of months to give other characters more screentime, and omg Greed! I love Greeling so happy to see him again!


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QUOTE (Sannom @ Jul 10 2009, 11:13 AM) *
The guy is the main villain for me. You know, not the one above all the others, but certainly the one who gave the good guys the most of their problems! This guy is nearly unbeatable in combat, has a good grasp of the human mind (something that Father definitely lacks) and is good at strategies.


I agree. He definitely has caused huge amounts of chaos, especially for Mustang's team. He managed to find all of Mustang's weak points and capitalize on it, which was a very impressive maneuver. Pride is supposed to be the most powerful of the homunculi (or something to that effect) because he is the original, but so far I find Wrath to be quite terrifying! (Even though I like him!!)


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Thank you, HisshouBuraiKen!! biggrin.gif
The link to your translation was added to the first post.


About Wrath:
Bradley on this chapter is wow. Honestly, I'm not sure if Greed alone can stand a chance fighting Bradley. But, I'm curious how Bradley will react about his wife being with Roy's team now.


On Hohenheim remembering names of 536,329 souls:
I can't even remember names of my high school classmates!! XD
Anyway, Hohenheim vs Father, round 2 was good!! I like learning these story points, then think back past chapter and go... "ohhh...so, that's what it was..." in this case, learning about Father saying to Hoheneheim "What have you done?" in the last chapter after Father took some souls from Hoheneheim. Now we know. smile.gif


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post Jul 10 2009, 11:47 AM
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The chapter sounds absolutely awesome. Can't say I'm at all surprised to hear that Greed/Lin and Wrath will be facing off in Chapter 98. Looking back over the entire series it's actually now really obvious. I mean has anyone else other than Greed or Lin actually fought Wrath? I'm racking my brains and I can't think of anyone. We saw hints of how this fight might end when Greed attacked Wrath before.

Thought I have admit, I'm a tad bit surprised that Greed turned up to save the day. Wonder how he's gonna benefit from this...

The Father and Hohonheim stuff is interesting. I like how Al's inadvertantly taken up the same stance as his own father. The people in the Phlisopher's Stone are still people and they should be able to fight soon. It's a concept I loved when they first said it when Al fought Pride and Kimblee, and I love it even more now.

Not too disappointed to see no Ed, Al or Mustang this month, considering chances are the last few chapters will be pretty much 100% them it's not too much of a loss.

Guessing next chapter will be a Greed and Wrath smackdown for most of it, with Wrath and maybe Greed's stories coming to an end. Not expecting Pride to turn up next chapter but I suppose he could. I'm really curious to see what he gained from consuming Kimblee...

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Great chapter overall.

Loved Father & Hohenheim's confrontation - talking to all of those souls, that must have been very interesting as well as heartbreaking.

Bradley/Wrath is one awesome villain.

Nice to see Greed back - should be a fun fight.

Looks like most of the major players are now back in Central, hopefully the final battle will begin soon.
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Welcome Jealous Rogo smile.gif

I have to say, Greedling's return is all kinds of awesome. I'm hoping that Ran Fan is not far behind (although I also hope she doesn't do something stupid and get herself hurt :/). And aww, I love Falman :3 I'm glad we got to see him this chapter.

Father vs. Hoho is turning out to be really cool. I wonder how the fight is gonna play out and how the little man in the flask is going to fight and what kind of insaaaane alchemy he's going to bring out .


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Thanks for the translation HisshouBuraiKen!

This chapter has confirmed to me that the person I really need to be afraid of is not Father... but Bradley for all so many reasons... *shivers*


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My thoughts on the chapter:

I was pretty astonished that Hohenheim is capable of ommunicating with all those souls in his body, and even attempt to use them as a weapon against Father. I was even more astonishe that Father is still a mass of Truth-y like homunuculus substance that was so easily able to slither from his shell (and devour it, no less!). So long, dignified looking main villain, hello monster. I wonder if this is the battle that will determine everything. I wish Edward would have some sort of involvement in it (hey, remember when FMA was about Ed and Al?).

I like the bit where Olivia refuses to sit at the Fuhrer's desk because it's an easily snipable spot. This is especially wise after the last person who tried to sit there got eaten by one of those stupid white zombie things. As I expected, though, as soon as Olivia's group took control of most of Central, Bradley returned. Now he can just easily play it off like the soldiers who had taken control of Central were under his orders, as long as he gets rid of the ones in charge of the coup and frighten the others into obeying.

I really didn't care about whether or not Buccaneer lived. To be honest, I thought Bradley was being too soft by not cutting him in half. We're talking about a guy who subdued Greed and nearly killed Ranfan, and should be plenty pissed off about what's gone in his absence. For Wrath, he's certainly very in control of himself.

But now, Greedling vs Wrath! My guess is that Pride will come along and absorb both! Okay, so that probably won't happen, but I would find it amusing.


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I'm so proud of Falman. I was worried that he was actually gonna let Bradley through for a moment, but no. Once a Roy-tachi, a Roy-tachi to the end.

And I'm so glad Bradley's back - things are really gonna start heating up now. He is honest to God the scariest homunculus ever.


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Anyone else amused/angered by the epic fail of military women in the second panel?

Probably the panel that stood out the most to me when looking over the entire chapter. I'm guessing the two in skirts had more of desk jobs like Sheska...speaking of which, wonder if we're gonna see her anytime soon...the other one looks like she's just pointing and pulling the trigger. Of course, they're saved by Buccaneer, and they don't even seem to have a single moment of contemplation about whether or not to follow his orders.

Also, I find the fact that Briggs has named their teams by color rather than with the Nato phonetic alphabet (Alpha, Bravo, Charlie, etc.) like they did in 71 a bit odd.

lol at Buccaneer telling Falman to stop crying when he's trying to act brave.


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Penguintruth of course Ed and Al will have a huge part to play in all of this. That is one thing I seem to always butt heads with you about. Just because a character has not done something recently or they have not been seen for awhile (Al more so than Ed) does not mean they are unimportant or Arakawa has forgotten about them. Also I think character's absences seem longer because of monthly waits. Al will last be seen in the first chapter of Vol 23. Ed was around for most of Vol. 23. It's most likely Ed and possibly Al will be around before Vol. 24 is over (2 more chapters). When you think of the waits on a monthly basis character absences do seem longer. However when you think of it on a volume by volume basis their absences don't seem as long.

I mean heck just think of all the characters you do really like: Olivier, Izumi, Bradley, Hohenheim, etc that end up having larger parts because Arakawa does give breaks in time when we don't see Ed & Al. And yes I appreciate that you want more Ed & Al (heck so do I) but unlike you I have faith that Arakawa knows what she is doing and they will still have a very important part to play in all this (just like I think getting Al's body back will also come back into focus before the end).

Anyways I think we are now seeing Father's true form. He does look very much like he looked when he was in the flask just a bit bigger. And this is just a theory but I think Father (while not Truth) originally escaped from the doors of Truth.
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