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Episode 2: The First Day - Content Discussion Thread, Universal conversation regarding the second installment of FMA: B
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post Apr 13 2009, 09:04 AM
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QUOTE (SonPan @ Apr 13 2009, 11:47 AM) *
Oh btw i found something interesting
http://www.ji-hi.net/fma2/index.html
its a comparison of all the fansubs

@SonPan - Nice find!! I'm adding this info on "Where to watch the episode" thread. Thank you!! ^^ (BTW, I see there is only one group that had correctly used the known FMA term for the State Alchemist in FMA, "dog of the Military." tongue.gif )


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post Apr 13 2009, 09:17 AM
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QUOTE (Tombow @ Apr 13 2009, 12:04 PM) *
QUOTE (SonPan @ Apr 13 2009, 11:47 AM) *
Oh btw i found something interesting
http://www.ji-hi.net/fma2/index.html
its a comparison of all the fansubs

@SonPan - Nice find!! I'm adding this info on "Where to watch the episode" thread. Thank you!! ^^
(BTW, I see there is only one group that had correctly used the known FMA term for the State Alchemist in FMA, "dog of the Military." tongue.gif )

Yea haha... and some groups used Reole insted fo Lior... though i feel Taka is the best thats why i always dowload theres smile.gif
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post Apr 13 2009, 09:45 AM
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QUOTE (SonPan @ Apr 13 2009, 01:17 PM) *
QUOTE (Tombow @ Apr 13 2009, 12:04 PM) *
QUOTE (SonPan @ Apr 13 2009, 11:47 AM) *
Oh btw i found something interesting
http://www.ji-hi.net/fma2/index.html
its a comparison of all the fansubs

@SonPan - Nice find!! I'm adding this info on "Where to watch the episode" thread. Thank you!! ^^
(BTW, I see there is only one group that had correctly used the known FMA term for the State Alchemist in FMA, "dog of the Military." tongue.gif )

Yea haha... and some groups used Reole insted fo Lior... though i feel Taka is the best thats why i always dowload theres smile.gif

about the Lior/Reole thing, I think they're both acceptable, since we don't know for sure how it's spelled officially. I'm pretty sure I've seen a manga picture (a map of something) in which the spelling was "reole". Oh yeah, found it! chapter 67, page 18 (at least in my scanlation).
BTW, I'm new here, nice to meet you guys! happy.gif Just registered yesterday, though I've been reading this forum for quite a long time now.

EDIT: guess that was a little off-topic. if so, sorry...


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@Anakishi - Welcome!! Hope to see many of your posts around the board!! happy.gif Yeah, I'm guilty on Reole/Leore spelling because I use both. XD
BTW, since this being "Season 2, Episode 2 Discussion" thread, I would love to hear your comment on how you think about this episode also. ^^

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1. If anyone runs into any info on the scores used in this episode, please post and share the info so that I can add to "episode 2 info archive" that is on the first post of this thread.

2. Anyone who would like to take a shot at writing a brief (one paragraph) episode summary for this episode so that I can add the brief episode summary to the above mentioned "episode 2 info archive," please do. The basic aim for this summary is "brief" yet containing vital story info, and being "accurate." ^^


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post Apr 13 2009, 10:04 AM
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Welcome Anakishi... im actually quite new too... i joined liek 2 weeks ago
On Topic: I really thought the transmutation part was really freaky gave me more chills than last series
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post Apr 13 2009, 11:01 AM
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Yes, back on topic, I got a lot to say about this episode. It was kind of confusing...

My impression after watching it once: BEAUTIFUL art, amazing background music, a little rushed (so what?), transmutation scene was very well done (geez, I just loved it that the room in the background was sort of distorted, so it followed the shape of the alchemy circle, hence emphasizing it - so classic). Guess I was caught up by the awesomeness of the visuals. Also, when Truth showed up I couldn't focus anymore ("KYAA!! it's Truth!!")

But then I started reading the thread, and all those "gah, this episode was terrible!" comments started popping up, and I was stunned, like "it was? really?! o.O" Then again, after reading all of them, considering the major arguments, and watching the ep. one more time, I was surprised at how many new points of view I had collected from that.
Some of them are:
- about the "jumping too fast from one scene to another" thing: didn't mind at all. It kinda suits the concept of "memories", like when you're dreaming and you can't really keep a rational, linear sequence of events (and notice that, at some point, Ed falls asleep while remembering all of those wink.gif )
- about the pacing of the episode, I have to admit it's too rushed for my tastes. It was very disappointing, since those were really important parts for the plot. But I seriously doubt that's the last we've seen of it; it's not like it's going to be like the first anime, where all the flashbacks of the series were condensed into two separate episodes. After all, they didn't show the house-burning scene, so there will be more, maybe they'll even show other comic parts and that one where Ed realizes the coronel's not a very loyal subordinate.
- Well, about Trisha: the manga was also very vague about her death, but I'm sure she will appear more on later flashbacks.

And, finally, my conclusion: like many others have already said, there's nothing wrong about the episode, it's just in the wrong place. Period. It was introducted too early, so there was no time to build up the tension and increase the curiosity of the viewers, and that's about it. When people that are new to the series see this, all they see is a pretty intricate (and interesting) story coming out of nowhere. They just don't care that much about Ed and Al's past yet, because there hasn't been given time for that, so in the end they don't pay as much attention and can lose some important clues for what's yet to come. A giant waste of one of the best parts in manga, I'm afraid. sad.gif

Even so, I can't judge the direction of the anime yet. There's still plenty of time for them to give all of this a good explanation. happy.gif Sorry if I'm repeating what most people said earlier, but that's how I put things together.


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post Apr 13 2009, 11:31 AM
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@ Anakishi
I completely agree with you.... they definately will show those parts again in other flashbacks
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post Apr 13 2009, 04:36 PM
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QUOTE (SonPan @ Apr 13 2009, 09:17 AM) *
Yea haha... and some groups used Reole insted fo Lior... though i feel Taka is the best thats why i always dowload theres smile.gif


Judging from what you said, it seems you feel that Reole is the wrong spelling?

Actually, Reole is the official spelling as seen on the manga guidebooks. Lior would be what I call "old A-keep" spellings (back when there aren't official guides and stuff).



(Scan from the Hong Kong version Perfect Guidebook 2 I bought.)


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post Apr 13 2009, 04:56 PM
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QUOTE (Kaosugoji @ Apr 13 2009, 02:32 AM) *
I think the manga commited pretty much the same criticism as FMA2, with the pacing and what not, until the Greed storyline. The manga is doing damned great right now, but the first dozen chapters are extremely choppy, too fast, and don't leave much room for characters to make an impression. The writing staff working on FMA1 had a lot more room to stretch in terms of what creative muscles they could flex. Only a faint sketch of a storyline had been illustrated in the source material and the writers had a lot more freedom seeing that they were pretty much writing fan fiction, albeit amazing fan fiction. With FMA2, the staff knows exactly what it's adapting, and therefore, are a bit more constricted in terms of what liberties they can take, how much they can drift away. I'm pretty confident this whole thing is going to slow down.


I agree! I was thinking about this today and the manga is paced pretty fast, especially in the beginning. Compared to the first anime this may seem really rushed, but from the manga pacing it's not far off.

I really enjoyed this episode, and honestly...it doesn't take away from any suspense that was presented later because for one, I've already read it. "Truth" and everything was suspenseful in the manga, because it was new. However, it's not new anymore...it's out there, it's in the manga, it's on the internet. Instead of creating suspense with the backstory, I think they want to create suspense with the present time. They have a LOT to cover still, so getting this out early makes room for everything else (Ling, Mei, Olivier Armstrong, "Father", Sloth, Gling, etc...) There's also a lot of story arcs to cover that have nothing to do with the past anime they need time to focus on.


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post Apr 13 2009, 11:48 PM
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Hello Tombow,

In response to program note number two of your post, here is a "brief" (I can not tell you how difficult it was to condense this episode into a long paragraph...lol) summary of episode two. Please feel free to edit this, or combind it with other summaries. I tried to touch on all the important parts in the episodes, but had to leave some information out due to the fact that the original summary that I wrote was more like three paragraphs. laugh.gif


Summary of episode two:

On their way to Reole to investigate rumors of a priest who can perform miracles, brothers Edward and Alphonse Elric reminisce about the events before and after the fated transmutation that would send them on the path to find the Philosopher’s Stone. Ten years prior to their journey, tragedy befalls the two young brothers when their mother Trisha becomes ill and passes away. While visiting their mother’s grave, Ed proposes to bring her back using the science of alchemy. Al warns Ed that all the books on alchemy state that it is taboo to bring somebody back from the dead. After days upon days of studying, Ed and Al are finally ready to perform the human transmutation. Unfortunately, a rebound occurs, leading to Al losing his entire body and Ed losing his left leg as a passage fee. After meeting with the Truth, Ed is horrified to discover that the thing he created is not his beloved mother, but rather a monster. Edward then affixes his brother’s soul to a suite of armor in exchange for his own right arm. Some time passes, and the brothers are visited by Lieutenant Colonel Mustang who has discovered that the brothers have committed the taboo of human transmutation. Mustang offers Ed the choice of becoming a State Alchemist, with the prospect of returning both himself and his brother to their former bodies. Ed obliges and is fitted with automail, steel prosthetic limbs. He latter takes the State Alchemist examination, and impresses the members of the military by his ability to perform alchemy without a transmutation circle. Ed passes the examination and officially becomes a dog of the military; he is given the title the “Fullmetal Alchemist” due to his prosthetic limbs. Thus begins the brothers´ long journey to regain what they lost by finding the legendary Philosopher’s Stone.


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post Apr 14 2009, 04:57 AM
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I was finally able to watch the second episode of FMA Brotherhood today ( in spanish subs mind you, but I don't mind...I normally just watch RAWs anyway ^^; ) and I'm not really sure what to say about the episode.

I will admit that there were some scenes that I liked...such as the moment leading up to the transmutation scene ( Ed and Al with darkened out eyes was kind of creepy...it almost made them seem 'not all there' O.O) as well as the moment in the Gate ( Truth is awesome) and the scene with Riza and Winry.
( Although the arguement between Ed and Pinako was funny, Al and Winry's faces in the background were priceless XD , another funny scene was after Bradley sliced the top of Ed's spear off as well)

But I do feel like something was missing, I just can't place what exactly...but something was indeed missing from the episode.
Then again, maybe I'm just being biased since I like the original anime...but this series' episode 2 just didn't give off ( to me at least) the same impact that the third episode from the original series did.


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I Loveeeee episode 2
It was Coooooool , scary , & funny

Ed , Edddooo I love him
when he slept , and when he said (Kinjanoyshy) in the end of episode
cute cute cuteeee !!

in fact I love new Riza she is very nice , Winry and Roooy too

yes , I have one thing not like it
the episode was too fast

but who know !?
may be , somethings will coming in next episodes

any way I looove it

and I can't wait the next one !!
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@Edamame - Thank you for the summary!! biggrin.gif
*adds to the first page* ^^


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post Apr 14 2009, 07:31 AM
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This was by far the most plastic anime episode I've ever seen. Since I mostly agree with His Name Is Uknown here:
http://www.fullmetal-alchemist.com/forums/...mp;#entry669687


and here:
http://www.fullmetal-alchemist.com/forums/...12754&st=75

(All in all too fast, too little Trisha, the messed up grave scene..)

I mean sure the transmutation scene did start of creepy, the red colour, not enitrely visible faces of Ed & Al.. but then it just died out. Not to mention that I agree with mewtant307k about Mr. Truth aka Mr. Wacko o.O

Lemme see.. what else? Okay they tuned down the humour but it was still out of place. (Haha this is amusing to me) Sorry for the sarcasm but I just can't help it.


The scene with Riza and Winry was totally anti-climatic. It was like: ˝Hello cute little girl. My name is Riza and I shoot people coz I want to protect my man.˝ ˝Aha my name is Winry. 'Kay, bye.˝


And the scene with Roy and Hughes.. what was that all about? And at what time?! I mean here we have Hughes: ˝Yo Roy my man *casually smilling* hey look at the sky, it so pretty today isn't it.. oh wait why again did you make Ed and state alchemist.. they're gonna see hell in tha army x3?˝ ˝Huh, I don't care.. They've already seen it.. 'Kay bye.˝

My favourite part of the episode xDDDD was when Bradley was walking down the corridor xDDDD It was the second time Bradley mentioned his family (the first one was in ep 1). I mean there's no way Bradley is a bad guy, oh no, he's such a family guy. Now don't get me wrong here. Of course he has to put up a facade of a normal, devoted husband and father but to me this whole thing smells like bad covering for the whole 'oops we revealed Bradley is a bad guy in ep 1 so that the newcomers can act surprised later on'. Tell me about lame foreshadowing (yes I'm still clinging to that). In the end of the exam Bradley made me think of this line: ˝Hey shrimp, I'm in Central, ruling ur country.˝


In the end we see the beautiful image of Lior, which further (imo) proves the theory that this anime is just moving pictures glued together with some music and put on screen.


And last but not least (I know it was somehow paraphrased in the quotes I posted but I want to make a decent conclusion). I think that even if the episode was a bit slower, people who've already seen the first series would still have been able to enjoy. I mean I'm sure many of those people already decided they're not going to rewatch the show after they've seen the teasers and realised, it's starting from the beginning all over again. So why fast forward those 'already seen' scenes to try to engage somebody who already dropped this project into watching it? :/ It seems to me this series is much too much oriented on those people who've already seen the 1st series – and frankly even for us it does a lousy job (at least for me it does).



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1.)I'm totally for comparing the 1st two episodes of the 1st series and FMA Brotherhood.
2.)I've decided that if the show doesn't improve till episode 5, I'll drop it. So that nobody will say why am I watching the series, if I don't like it.


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post Apr 14 2009, 08:53 AM
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QUOTE (Hagane no Baka @ Apr 14 2009, 11:31 AM) *
The scene with Riza and Winry was totally anti-climatic. It was like: ˝Hello cute little girl. My name is Riza and I shoot people coz I want to protect my man.˝ ˝Aha my name is Winry. 'Kay, bye.˝

And the scene with Roy and Hughes.. what was that all about? And at what time?! I mean here we have Hughes: ˝Yo Roy my man *casually smilling* hey look at the sky, it so pretty today isn't it.. oh wait why again did you make Ed and state alchemist.. they're gonna see hell in tha army x3?˝ ˝Huh, I don't care.. They've already seen it.. 'Kay bye.˝



Hahahaha, I laugh with you. But you is right, the scene with Riza and Winry was so "WTF?"...
Roy and Hughes scene is strange too... So plastic ;O hsuishuishiu
But I hope they make a lot of flashbacks to fix it... I hope.



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