HAGANE NO RENKINJUTSUSHI
HAGANE NO RENKINJUTSUSHI
full metal alchemist
full metal alchemist
 



Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

7 Pages V  « < 4 5 6 7 >  
Reply to this topicStart new topic
Chapter 85 "Regular" Discussion Thread For First Time Readers (and Others), No future chapter spoilers here, please. :)
Saving_Grace
post Jul 16 2008, 06:29 AM
Post #76


Alchemists
***

Group: Members
Posts: 282
Joined: 28-March 06
From: An IKEA box.
Member No.: 33,782
Gender: Female



Wow, I nearly cried at the Hoho-Trisha thing, and I never cry at manga. T'was very sad, (sigh) I'm a sissy... Bet you any money Wrath is still alive. He's gonna pop up sooner or later with his [All hail lord Xenu] half blown up, ready to slice up someone.

I Loved the Roy/Olivia stuff, and I'm glad Fuery and Breda are back (I missed them!).

Hey... Why did [All hail lord Xenu] come up when I wrote a-s-s? Come on! As if I can't say that!
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
APalchemist5
post Jul 16 2008, 07:42 AM
Post #77


Citizen
*

Group: Members
Posts: 35
Joined: 24-January 08
From: depends....
Member No.: 55,878
Gender: Female



Saving Grace, you were not alone. I think the panels of Hohenheim crying had more detail and were better drawn than any other panel in the chapter, it created a huge affect. Also just his reasoning, it wasn't corny to me, it was something I could see a old guy saying.

I didn't cry, but I dont know if i will be able to hold back if (or when) Ed finds an empty suit of armor when pride leaves al....

Also, I am lost concerning the two different tenses everyone is talking about....

Could someone summarize what the difference between the two tenses are?

Thanks.

ps. olivia you stay away from roy, he is taken.


--------------------
Life's short, so love the ones you got
cuase you might get run over, or you might just get...shot.
Never had not static I just get it off my... chest.
Neve had to battle with my bullet proof...vest.
Take a small example take a tidbit from meeee, take all your money give it all to charity.
Love is what I got It's within my reach
And this is sublime's sound straight from long beach
Punk back to you,You finally get what you deserve.
You try to test out,You'll probably get served.
Love's what i got, dont start a riot
you'll feel it when the dance gets hot.

Love isss... its what I got
(just remember that)

I dont cry when my dog runs away, I dont get angry at the bills I have to pay
I dont get angry when my smokes pot, hits the bottle and goes back to the rocks
f!#$ and fighting it's all the same, playing with louie's dog's the only way to stay sane


(is the signature the appropriate place for misquoted sublime lyrics? do i care?)
Avatar by Derlaine from Deviant art.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Celeste Nayamash...
post Jul 16 2008, 09:00 AM
Post #78


Alchemists
***

Group: Members
Posts: 250
Joined: 15-October 07
From: Illinois
Member No.: 52,278



Yes, Arakawa was amazing in pulling off Hohenhiem's emotions in those panels. My god...if she does that with Ed, I don't think I'll be able to hold back either...I didn't cry with Hoho, but the emotion sure grabs at you. If that happens with Ed...oh god I don't know how I'd react. It was hard enough seeing him like that in the anime, but in the manga and the way she pulls off emotion? Yeeeah.


--------------------

My DeviantArt My Fanfiction
Siggy made by me! EdxWin is <3 Avatar made by CeruleanSan <3
"Even when our eyes our closed, there's a whole world out there, that lives outside ourselves and our dreams."
Formerly known as WinryRockbell_83
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Gukumatz
post Jul 16 2008, 06:37 PM
Post #79


Citizen
*

Group: Members
Posts: 75
Joined: 23-March 07
From: Most likely west of you
Member No.: 45,648
Gender: Female



QUOTE(APalchemist5 @ Jul 16 2008, 07:42 AM) *
Could someone summarize what the difference between the two tenses are?


Hi APalchemist5! We were talking about the Japanese writing systems hiragana and katakana, not tenses. The kana (kana = general name for hiragana + katakana) are kind of like our alphabet in that they represent sounds. Instead of breaking up consonants and vowels, though, kana represent syllable sounds (e.g. の = no, そ = so, く = ku). Hiragana are used for Japanese words and katakana are used for foreign words/names/countries.

What Dhazard06 and Sensenic were explaining to me is that the Xing characters end their speech bubbles with a katakana symbol. It's a way of distinguishing when Greedling is talking with a foreign accent, and lets us know the difference between Greed and Ling. All the homunculi end their speech bubbles with hiragana (so I guess they sound Amestrian).

Before that, I thought that the way that Arakawa was distinguishing them was with their hair. That's the only difference you can see in the scanlations. To see the implied difference in accent, you have to look at the raw.

Here's photos pointing out what we're looking at for Greed, and for Ling.

If anyone wants a printable pdf file for learning the kana, here's the one I'm using.

This katakana/hiragana discovery is really great. I was just looking at the raw for fun. It's not like I can actually read much more than simple things like hahahaha, fufufufufu, hai, arigato, etc. Now I'm going to pay more attention. Late new year's resolution: Learn to read kana by December. At least 50% of kana. Let's see how far I get. smile.gif


--------------------
-Gukumatz
[ LJ | Song translations | Icon ]
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
APalchemist5
post Jul 16 2008, 07:30 PM
Post #80


Citizen
*

Group: Members
Posts: 35
Joined: 24-January 08
From: depends....
Member No.: 55,878
Gender: Female



Gukumatz, that was the greatest explaination ever.

Thank you so much (i had to read it three times, just to make sure i understood it)
I can read hebrew, but only the ancient script, not modern, and it is soo old that it isn't as intricate as japanese.
Japanese really is very cool, sorry to bother.



--------------------
Life's short, so love the ones you got
cuase you might get run over, or you might just get...shot.
Never had not static I just get it off my... chest.
Neve had to battle with my bullet proof...vest.
Take a small example take a tidbit from meeee, take all your money give it all to charity.
Love is what I got It's within my reach
And this is sublime's sound straight from long beach
Punk back to you,You finally get what you deserve.
You try to test out,You'll probably get served.
Love's what i got, dont start a riot
you'll feel it when the dance gets hot.

Love isss... its what I got
(just remember that)

I dont cry when my dog runs away, I dont get angry at the bills I have to pay
I dont get angry when my smokes pot, hits the bottle and goes back to the rocks
f!#$ and fighting it's all the same, playing with louie's dog's the only way to stay sane


(is the signature the appropriate place for misquoted sublime lyrics? do i care?)
Avatar by Derlaine from Deviant art.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Chiyo
post Jul 17 2008, 07:55 AM
Post #81


Moderator Emeritus
******

Group: Members
Posts: 6,073
Joined: 27-January 05
From: a land called Honah Lee
Member No.: 6,466
Gender: Not Telling



That was quite a helpful bit of explanation there, so thanks for that.

Al with "eyes" is a really scary look. I know really he should be scary anyway being a moving suit of hollow armour and all but all they needed were those eyes to completely change his look.


--------------------

Avatar & Sig by me.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
HisshouBuraiKen
post Jul 17 2008, 09:30 AM
Post #82


Apprentice
**

Group: Members
Posts: 130
Joined: 11-September 06
Member No.: 40,851



Gukumatz - By DECEMBER? You could learn katakana in a month if you really work at it. Write each one down 50 times while you say the sound out loud biggrin.gif

On the hiragana/katakana thing -

It's been explained pretty well, but to put it succinctly:

Hiragana and katakana are two "alphabets" for the same set of sounds. There is both a hiragana and katakana for every syllable used in japanese - katakana are used for foreign loanwords, SFX, and for general emphasis (it just jumps out more to a japanese reader).

The last syllable in a Xingese character's sentence is written in katakana to demonstrate that they're speaking with an accent, or (as has been said), in a language not native to them. You do have to look at the raw to see this, as there's really no good way to make an "accent" come across without being really annoying, e.g. having Lin speak like, "Edo, I amu hungury."

The presence of hiragana at the end doesn't necessarily imply they sound Amestrisian, but that they're speaking their native language or without an accent. Remember Zangief, our exploded Drachman pal? His speech text was identical to Kimblee's.

Most characters have unique speech patterns, but they usually based more off politeness, grammar and vocabulary than accent. It's how, when there are no visible characters, you can tell if it's Ed, Al, or Al getting pissed and slipping into Ed-like speech (I LOVE it when that happens XD )

I guess that wasn't so succinct, but whatev!
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
qaghou
post Jul 17 2008, 11:11 AM
Post #83


Citizen
*

Group: Members
Posts: 46
Joined: 11-April 08
Member No.: 58,536
Gender: Female



Do you think that it will be the same style of end that it was in the anime ?

FMA is almost in the end... Hope that it will be a better end than the anime/movie.
The letter for Pinako from Ed isn't a good new... Ed is afraid to betray is promised to Winry to return safely...
Dude ! I hope we will not be disapointed by the end ! sleep.gif


--------------------
It will be with you and nobody else. I desire to see your smile each days of
my life and doesn't want you to cry for me anymore.

Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Saving_Grace
post Jul 17 2008, 08:58 PM
Post #84


Alchemists
***

Group: Members
Posts: 282
Joined: 28-March 06
From: An IKEA box.
Member No.: 33,782
Gender: Female



What letter for Pinako? I don't remember a letter... Did I miss something?
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Gukumatz
post Jul 17 2008, 10:04 PM
Post #85


Citizen
*

Group: Members
Posts: 75
Joined: 23-March 07
From: Most likely west of you
Member No.: 45,648
Gender: Female



You're welcome, APalchemist5 and Chiyo. I'm glad it was helpful.


QUOTE(HisshouBuraiKen @ Jul 17 2008, 09:30 AM) *
Gukumatz - By DECEMBER? You could learn katakana in a month if you really work at it. Write each one down 50 times while you say the sound out loud biggrin.gif


Ack, you're right! That is a long time. I was thinking of taking it slowly since I'm working full time during the summer and I'm usually tired in the evenings. When fall starts, I'll be working part-time and studying full-time.

But hmm, maybe if I just take some time during the day. I bet I'd learn faster if I took the kana in groups. There's several that I recognize already, so it's not like I'd be learning completely from scratch. Thanks for the push, HisshouBuraiKen! laugh.gif

QUOTE(Saving_Grace @ Jul 17 2008, 08:58 PM) *
What letter for Pinako? I don't remember a letter... Did I miss something?


I don't remember one either. The only time Pinako is mentioned in this chapter is when Ed is passing on his mother's message to Hohenheim. huh.gif


--------------------
-Gukumatz
[ LJ | Song translations | Icon ]
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
qaghou
post Jul 18 2008, 01:39 PM
Post #86


Citizen
*

Group: Members
Posts: 46
Joined: 11-April 08
Member No.: 58,536
Gender: Female



I heard somewhere that Ed had given a letter to Pinako between chap. 84 and 85... If I'm not right please...Can you correct me with the truth ?


--------------------
It will be with you and nobody else. I desire to see your smile each days of
my life and doesn't want you to cry for me anymore.

Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Sannom
post Jul 19 2008, 05:19 AM
Post #87


State Alchemist (Major)
****

Group: Members
Posts: 545
Joined: 8-May 06
Member No.: 35,674



QUOTE
To see the implied difference in accent, you have to look at the raw.


How did the US editor of FMA worked on that difference in speeches? Here in France, the words' "police" is different when they speak among themselves (in Xingese) and they have grammar problems when they speak in what is supposed to be the Amestrian language...
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
jacksparrow589
post Jul 19 2008, 09:14 AM
Post #88


Special Ops (Piratical Gallery Enforcement)
*****

Group: Gallery Moderators
Posts: 2,038
Joined: 23-July 07
From: Western U.S.
Member No.: 48,158
Gender: Female



Sannom- Apparently they speak Amestrian pretty fluently because Ling pretends not to know the language only once and says "I no speak this country language," or something like that as a result. Other than that, the grammar of Xingese characters speaking Amestrian is pretty good. I don't think I've seen much of any speech that indicates an accent on their part. I wondered about it at first, but it makes reading it a little easier (albeit less funny), so I'm not going to complain.


--------------------


Credit goes to Causmicfire for my avatar

The Royai Day party might be over, but the fun never stops!
Royai Day 2011 Album
Thank you to all those who contributed!

Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Sannom
post Jul 19 2008, 10:04 AM
Post #89


State Alchemist (Major)
****

Group: Members
Posts: 545
Joined: 8-May 06
Member No.: 35,674



QUOTE
Sannom- Apparently they speak Amestrian pretty fluently because Ling pretends not to know the language only once and says "I no speak this country language," or something like that as a result.


Yeah, in the french translation, Lin, Ran Fan and May speak like that almost all the time, foreign people not completely accustomed to the language, who understand it perfectly but make grammar mistakes that hurts the ears but are still perfectly understandable, especially from people from a foreign country. It must be a choice from the french editor I suppose, who must have assumed that teenagers who never came in that country before should have some trouble with the language (I didn't understand english at all when I was May's age laugh.gif ).
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Michiyo-
post Jan 15 2012, 01:01 PM
Post #90


Special Ops (Fullmetal Intell Specialist)
Group Icon

Group: Moderators
Posts: 3,891
Joined: 8-May 09
From: Europe, Hungary
Member No.: 68,567
Gender: Female



First time FMA manga readers, please post your thoughts and discussions on chapter 85 here. smile.gif

Those who have already read further chapters are also welcome to join the discussions, but please do not post any future chapter content on this thread.

This thread is Spoiler Party thread for chapter 85 content, meaning, posters do not have to use Spoiler tags while posting about chapter 85 content on this thread. smile.gif


For the reading reference, please send a PM to A Pierrot's Aria and ask for "Reading Reference Assistance for week 80."
(For more detailed explanation on this, please read Tombow's post here.)

Thank you, A Pierrot’s Aria, for all your help!! ^^


--------------------

Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post

7 Pages V  « < 4 5 6 7 >
Reply to this topicStart new topic
1 User(s) are reading this topic (1 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
0 Members:

 

Lo-Fi Version Time is now: 29th July 2016 - 10:58 AM



Copyright ©2003-2004 PhoenixNetworks, LLC. All rights reserved.
Copyright Notice. Privacy policy. Acceptable Use Policy. Terms of Service.
Page Generation Time: 0.0655 seconds.
Currently Selected Stylesheet: css/default.css