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Chapter 84 "Regular" Discussion Thread For First Time Readers (and Others), No future chapter spoilers here, please. :)
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post Jun 12 2008, 05:45 AM
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Thank you for the Raw-everyone involved in bringing it here! Thank you, Tombow for the translation!

Fun chapter, Ed's expressions were priceless! Of course, it's "Oh No!" for Al. It just amazes me how fast they get from town to town now. I get the feeling Arakawa is anxious to get the manga done. However, I was glad to see Ed and Winry together again. I just wish Winry would have said in that one picture "Hey, Ed you're taller than me now!"

Just as a side note. I think this picture would look really cool enhanced and in color:

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post Jun 12 2008, 06:33 AM
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QUOTE(Animeoldtimer @ Jun 12 2008, 08:45 PM) *
Just as a side note. I think this picture would look really cool enhanced and in color:

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Well, it's not colored, but I thought of something...


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post Jun 12 2008, 09:07 AM
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Would have too, hope Winry follows him into the battlefield, if only to make sure his automail is fine but most of all to show she's not going to be his housewife!


If they're ever getting married or something, there is no way Winry would be his housewife laugh.gif Come on, she is the only one who actually knows how to do something that can earn money wink.gif Ed will be the "house-husband" laugh.gif
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post Jun 12 2008, 10:47 AM
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This has definately been quite a chapter, I don't even know where to start.
But man, the ending is definately something...poor poor Al! O.O`
I wish I could say that I hope he'll be alright...but we probably won't find out for sure until the next chapter. :: is currently hanging on the edge of her seat::

And Animeoldtimer, I tried having a go at brightening up the page and colouring it; I hope that it looks okay. ^^;
Someone's behind you Al....


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post Jun 12 2008, 11:25 AM
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QUOTE(Causmicfire @ Jun 12 2008, 11:50 AM) *
I think the apple pie is more for Al, and Winry probably remembers promising to bake him one when he gets his body back.

Duh *facepalms* happy.gif
Yeah, that makes the scene way more cute wink.gif
And btw, love your sig!

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If they're ever getting married or something, there is no way Winry would be his housewife laugh.gif Come on, she is the only one who actually knows how to do something that can earn money wink.gif Ed will be the "house-husband" laugh.gif

lol Sannom, had never thought of it that way, but guess you're right wink.gif

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So, if Bradley is at Eastern, do you think Riza is there, too? She'd be a good hostage to use against Grumman, eh?

I recently got to the manga but I thought the "Grumman related to Hawkeye" was a theory that spun out before the famous Ch.58-59 went out.
I mean, Riza did state that she had no family left, or am I missing something?




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post Jun 12 2008, 11:54 AM
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QUOTE(Luthine @ Jun 12 2008, 02:25 PM) *
I recently got to the manga but I thought the "Grumman related to Hawkeye" was a theory that spun out before the famous Ch.58-59 went out.
I mean, Riza did state that she had no family left, or am I missing something?

@Luthine - I think, Perfect Guidebook, which is an official FMA guide, is listing Grumman as Riza's Grandfather. unsure.gif

I'm also curious to find out if Riza is there. And, if so, what's going to happen to Riza?
Although, Roy is still in the Central, right?

@Animeoldtimer: I agree. That one makes nice scene pic!!
@Becca-chan - Nice coloring job!!
@Winry Chan - I like your arrangement, too!!

Yeah, that is a cool looking scary scene with the way we are looking down, and we see the shadow coming behind Al. ^^


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post Jun 12 2008, 12:17 PM
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Hehe thankies muchly Tombow. ^^
And also ( I can't believe I forgot to say this in my last post O_O; ) I want to say thank you Tombow, for the translation...and also a big thank you to sto, Aizen and bluwim for the RAW and mirror downloads of the RAW!


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post Jun 12 2008, 12:43 PM
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Hmmmmm.......

Good chapter.....Need more as usual

I dont think Al is going to be dead, I was wondering, but no.

I am starting to think that the bad guys want to get Al's body back or atleast connect him with his body in the gate. That way he is stuck there, but yeah, Al is a sacrifice, they neeed him.

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post Jun 12 2008, 02:38 PM
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QUOTE(Tombow @ Jun 12 2008, 08:54 PM) *
QUOTE(Luthine @ Jun 12 2008, 02:25 PM) *
I recently got to the manga but I thought the "Grumman related to Hawkeye" was a theory that spun out before the famous Ch.58-59 went out.
I mean, Riza did state that she had no family left, or am I missing something?

@Luthine - I think, Perfect Guidebook, which is an official FMA guide, is listing Grumman as Riza's Grandfather. unsure.gif


Yes. As far as I remember it was stated in Perfect Book 2...
But I'm doubting it more and more ever since the Ishval Flashback.

Maybe that was sth planned but abandoned? Maybe it was a mistake by the PGB2 author/s?
Figures...


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post Jun 12 2008, 05:52 PM
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QUOTE(Sensenic @ Jun 13 2008, 05:38 AM) *
No higher quality raw yet? ( ŽA`)


I'm waiting for a better scan to brighten up. Higher quality does allow for nice colour jobs...

@Becca-chan, nice colour job! It look even more creepy now...

@Tombow, thanks!

If Riza isn't at the East, Rebecca should definitely be. She's the one stationed in the East....

Two things I just realised as I am typing this:
o When Bradley transferred all of Mustang's subordinates, no one got sent back East... (Breda West, Fuery South, Falman North, Hawkeye President's Secretary)... I guess Bradley didn't want them to be in a familiar place that makes them comfortable to further stress the "Haha I've got you now, Mustang, you may know my secret but I have the power to make sure you never tell anyone by blackmailing you, haha"....
o and we've just had a time skip, right? It's spring?
So Ed's 16 now?


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post Jun 12 2008, 11:44 PM
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Sto doesn't have a fast computer and internet connection, so it's very hard for her to upload the images onto webhosting sites (as a lot of them tend to time-out or die after 2-3 hours). Apparently, her connection can only afford to upload small size raws, so I think we should stop pushing her for HQ raws ^^;

I am sure it has nothing to do with sto's luck that she got the magazine earlier... you can always pre-roder them, and there ARE places in Japan where they sell the magazines 1 day earlier than the supposed pre-release date (and of course, it's not encouraged to do so, since it's bad for the sales of the stores who followed the rule and release on the release date), so Hong Kong, being close to Japan, can also get the magazine slightly earlier from those kinda store. (4 hours flight?) The price though... is probably at least 2~3x the actual price of the magazine itself (shipping is expensive x_x).

I got my FMA Dual Sympathy like 5 days after release date as well, and it's slightly more expensive than original price. (Well, the stores get them at whole-sale price, so it wasn't too bad.)

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Yes. As far as I remember it was stated in Perfect Book 2...
But I'm doubting it more and more ever since the Ishval Flashback.


Why doubt it after the Ishbal Flashback? @_@
Riza was clearly protecting Roy during that part, no?

and here is that page of the PGB2 that STATES Grumman as Riza's grandpa on her mother's side. I think by "family" Riza probably only meant her parents/siblings (if there was any)

If it's a typo on the editor's side, I really don't think they'd go as far as saying "Hawkeye's grandpa on her mother's side"...



Grumman also implied to Roy before that "You gonna be Fuhrer anytime soon? Make my granddaughter the fuhrer's wife" anddd I really can't think of anyone other than Riza that fits the description XD It would be too curious if it's Lebecca...


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post Jun 13 2008, 01:33 AM
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QUOTE(AA battery @ Jun 13 2008, 08:44 AM) *
Sto doesn't have a fast computer and internet connection, so it's very hard for her to upload the images onto webhosting sites (as a lot of them tend to time-out or die after 2-3 hours). Apparently, her connection can only afford to upload small size raws, so I think we should stop pushing her for HQ raws ^^;


Not pushing her in particular, just being an impacient fanboy waiting for a HQ scan there, not necessarily from Sto (well, not necessarily "HQ" either, I mean, just readable size is ok, the 12-13 Mb packs we used to get).
We used to get them by the 13th as of late after all, before Sto's early scans came up... uh... last month was it?
I know about those uploaders being arrested stuff and I understand it might come later this month, I'm just eager. happy.gifU

As for the uploading page suggestion, I admit I didn't (don't) know her circumstances, just suggesting in case she didn't know...

My apologies to Sto if I put pressure on her. sleep.gif

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Yes. As far as I remember it was stated in Perfect Book 2...
But I'm doubting it more and more ever since the Ishval Flashback.


Why doubt it after the Ishbal Flashback? @_@
Riza was clearly protecting Roy during that part, no?

and here is that page of the PGB2 that STATES Grumman as Riza's grandpa on her mother's side. I think by "family" Riza probably only meant her parents/siblings (if there was any)

If it's a typo on the editor's side, I really don't think they'd go as far as saying "Hawkeye's grandpa on her mother's side"...

Grumman also implied to Roy before that "You gonna be Fuhrer anytime soon? Make my granddaughter the fuhrer's wife" anddd I really can't think of anyone other than Riza that fits the description XD It would be too curious if it's Lebecca...


Not a typo, of course someone wouldn't type "Hawkeye's grandpa on her mother's side" by mistake. XD
I meant a mistake as in understanding from that Grumman's line ("marry my granddaughter") that Riza was so.

Why after the FB? Precisely because of Riza's comment of having no one left.
If both my parents were gone (and possible siblings whatsoever) but I had a grandfather alive and well and who loves me ("marry my granddaughter", again), I would pretty much consider myself "having someone left" to go to.

It's true that she did enroll later at the eastern headquarters, but then... The fact that there has been no other mention of it, even recently when there has been (indirect) interaction between both adds up to my doubt... For example Grumman could have told Rebecca "You're a good friend of my granddaughter Riza chan, aren't you?" or Riza could've asked Rebecca "you're granpa's favorite, aren't you?" They do talk one about the other but not once does the issue come up...

Really weird that the point doesn't appear anymore and only in PGB2.

I mean, you could argue they could be keeping it a secret, f.ex. to keep the bad guyz from learning that Grumman might be allied with Mustang.
OK, but then I say it's sth they could easily have learnt. One can think that when separating Mustang's team, the bad guyz must have checked their families in order to keep an eye on possible "contacts" and they would have noticed the relationship immediately.
Unless, that is, they had been hiding it from the very beginning and it's registered nowhere, but in that case once again I ask, "why?". They didn't know about any military-wide conspiracy back then...

Another possible explanation is Grumman hiding it from Riza, but again I fail to see the reason.

Yet another explanation, outside from the plot, would be Arakawa hiding it from the readers so when at the end we learn that Riza was the so called Grumman's granddaughter who Grumman had offered to Mustang all the way back then, the (royai specially) readers would go "OOOOOH!! Nice one! Didn't see it comin'!" But then why put it in the PGB2?

As you can see this "Grumman's granddaughter" affair has had me intrigued for quite a while... happy.gifU

EDIT: Oh, thanks for the scan BTW. I thought I had it but I don't remember this page at all so more goodies for me. happy.gifU

REDIT: Re-checked the chapter 60 FB scene and she does say that her mother never said anything about any relatives...
So I'd guess Riza's mother might have been perhaps the result of one of Grumman's affairs gone a little overboard? cool.gif
That'd be a reason for him to keep it secret... Or maybe not even know about it, and the Granddaughter he was offering Mustang would have been an "official" one. XD
Dunno, lol. XD


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At the end of chapter 60 Riza tells Roy both her mother and father were estranged from their families, so they never told her about her relatives.

In chapter 63, Grumman tells Roy about the time he was asked about what he thought of an immortal army. Now, he is vague about when he was asked about it using the words "sometime in the past", so I have no idea when it took place(Viz translation uses the phrase "years ago" if that helps at all), but it was before he got sent to Eastern. It maybe be that Grumman suspected something, and therefore has never outright told anyone that Hawkeye is his granddaughter.

Nice coloring Becca-chan!

...So, if Riza is with the Fuhrer in Eastern she, and if Al doesn't escape Pride and Gluttony then the two of them are stuck with the homunculi...again.

Unless someone else is keeping an "eye" on Riza, I doubt she won't be there, because we all know Pride has his limit. Is it bad to say I'm really hoping she's at Eastern, because that wouldn't necessarily be good for her

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sorry, I used lot of time for upload the pics, and I have a boat trip today, If not,I posted this already wink.gif

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post Jun 13 2008, 04:14 AM
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Thanks, sto! I'm going to brighten up the images a bit... will be back later with download link.

Edit: The title page isn't on the updated list. Shall I just use the previous LQ version?

Re-edit: I used the previous LQ version of the title page... I hope it's okay....

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