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What & Why Do You Hate About Yaoi?
What do you hate about yaoi?
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Hotmustard
post Aug 30 2009, 10:31 AM
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I'm a HUGE antifans of shounen-ai/yao in general.
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post Aug 30 2009, 11:58 AM
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@Hotmustard - I took out part of your post that was deemed as unnecessary bashing and trashing of Yaoi-'shippers.


Reminder to everyone:

Please avoid bashing and trashing of "Yaoi 'shippers" on this thread, and instead stick to explaining WHY you hate Yaoi. Thank you!! smile.gif


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post Jul 15 2010, 08:49 AM
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What I hate about Yaoi:

-It can make certain characters into pedophiles, like in the case of EdxRoy (Roy is 30 years old, dammit! He's twice Ed's age!!!)
-The word YAOI translates as GAY PORN. And SHOUNEN-AI as NOT-PORN (What I mean is it's non sexual relationship) CAN'T YOU FANGIRLS MAKE THE DIFFERENCE??!!!
-I know a gay couple personnally and they DO NOT act like in a fanfiction! (They don't kiss every 5 minutes, they don't say "I luv u" all the time, etc...)
-Some fangirls are WAY too obsessed by it.


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post Aug 6 2010, 02:27 PM
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I personally dislike yaoi unless a yaoi couple is canon, so I'm not homophobic or anything like that. I'm usually into more obvious/canon couples or those with a really deep-rooted bond. Also, I have absolutely nothing against people who like yaoi...

What I dislike about it is that from what I've seen, a lot of yaoi couples are completely baseless. I read a few shipping manifestos at one point out of curiosity and I couldn't help but *facepalm* over some of the reasons they think these characters should be together.

A lot of the time it's something like helping them out in battle/helping them up, asking if they're okay etc which I think is ridiculous reasoning. I could ask my friend if she's okay and help her up tomorrow but it doesn't mean that I'm in love with her.
Either that or something said to a character by another can be taken way out of context when it's just two mere friends interacting as two friends normally would.

And saying that a character "looks gay" is just ludicrous in my book. Not to mention that yaoi fanfictions/arts are severely out of character the majority of the time. And this doesn't just go for yaoi, but for some fan-made het pairings too.

But, like I touched upon before, I only like couples who make it clear at some point that they love each other, so maybe that's why I'm not much of a fan of non-canon pairings, yaoi or otherwise.


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post Aug 6 2010, 02:40 PM
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Slash pairings. They're doomed to being bad writing from the start. I wrote entire articles on it.

But for the romantic stuff in general, and not just Yaoi, the thing I dislike most about them is cheesy set-ups, plotholes, and random events that don't make sense. Romance doesn't happen overnight.

I don't mind Yaoi itself, so long as it's meaningful and makes sense. It's like any other kind of writing or art; it can be good, and it can be bad.


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Seit mein Körper sich geändert hat, habe ich zahllose Todesfälle eingesehen. Ich habe beobachtet, wie Freunde alt werden und sterben... habe ganz verwandelnde Orte angesehen, die ich mich früher errinere. Ich schau an, wie Menschen, wieder und wieder, die gleiche Fehler wieder holen und niemals lernen sie von die Vergangenheit. Doch meine einzige Befreiung, ist es mich selbst zu errinern, daß ich noch ein Fleck mitten dem großerem Bild der Sache bin. Da gibt es noch ein menge schöne einzige Dinge, die ich mag schon erfahren... Daran dachte ich, es würde wunderbar sein... Liebe Trisha, als ich du traf und wir Kinder haben, habe ich erkannt, daß ich niemals mich ändern würde und auch wenn unsere Söhne mein Blut in ihren Venen tragen, werden sie sich erwaschen. Sie werden Alter bekommen. Davon hat diese Gedanke mich erschreckt. Danach dachte ich, im Ernst...bin ich Monster.
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post Aug 7 2010, 06:47 AM
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I voted for "Nothing"

The first Yaoi I read was "Private Magician" and I loved it. I liked the story and the added "romantic" scenes as some put it above weren't bad but they were okay. My favorite Yaoi is "DevilXDevil."


I've seen some BAD yaoi manga, one in particular called "Level-C" every page is sexual and it drawn poorly... I don't know it just wasn't good.

For me when I read them, I don't get a thrill off of them, in particular I like the stories themselves....

In the case of EdxRoy as I-luv-FMA stated, being wrong because of the age difference, its just a story, all of them are. There is a case of a FMA pairing being MustangXBradley, that in a sense is the same age gap but because they are BOTH over 18 its not pedophilic... (I made that word up I believe) I've seen some decent EdxRoy yaoi and they aren't that terrible.... *shrugs*

I dunno, everyone is entitled to their thoughts for me, I love the stuff. Meh.


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post Aug 7 2010, 10:08 AM
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Well, the reason I say slash is doomed from the start is because they usually occur between characters who aren't even gay to begin with--it's not really consistent, if you're going for good writing. You can probably write well, and perhaps make a convincing story, if we assumed the characters were gay--but that's actually the problem. Because they aren't, general audiences can't help but feel the relationship is awkward because they'll be too busy wondering why these characters, whom they know to not be gay are involved in a gay relationship--it's distracting.


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Seit mein Körper sich geändert hat, habe ich zahllose Todesfälle eingesehen. Ich habe beobachtet, wie Freunde alt werden und sterben... habe ganz verwandelnde Orte angesehen, die ich mich früher errinere. Ich schau an, wie Menschen, wieder und wieder, die gleiche Fehler wieder holen und niemals lernen sie von die Vergangenheit. Doch meine einzige Befreiung, ist es mich selbst zu errinern, daß ich noch ein Fleck mitten dem großerem Bild der Sache bin. Da gibt es noch ein menge schöne einzige Dinge, die ich mag schon erfahren... Daran dachte ich, es würde wunderbar sein... Liebe Trisha, als ich du traf und wir Kinder haben, habe ich erkannt, daß ich niemals mich ändern würde und auch wenn unsere Söhne mein Blut in ihren Venen tragen, werden sie sich erwaschen. Sie werden Alter bekommen. Davon hat diese Gedanke mich erschreckt. Danach dachte ich, im Ernst...bin ich Monster.
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post Aug 7 2010, 04:59 PM
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What about characters who aren't explicitly stated to be completely straight? That leaves some things to the imagination.

QUOTE (I-luv-FMA @ Jul 15 2010, 08:49 AM) *
It can make certain characters into pedophiles, like in the case of EdxRoy (Roy is 30 years old, dammit! He's twice Ed's age!!!)


Technically not pedophilia. Ed is fifteen-sixteen throughout most of the story, so it'd be ephebophilia. Plus, we don't really know what the age of consent is in the setting of the story. Besides, there are plenty of fanfics where Ed is older. Acquaintance of mine is currently writing one that takes place after the end of the manga where Ed is in his twenties, so age isn't always an issue in these pairings.

Now, what do I hate about yaoi? I hate how one or both of the characters are often made OOC. Like fanfics that turn Ed into a whiny, submissive girl. This also applies to yaoi artwork. I also dislike when characters who obviously hate each other are paired up. Ed/Envy for example; I don't see how that could work unless it's a rape fic.


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post Aug 7 2010, 06:54 PM
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Well, what story actually has the character or the author saying that the characters are straight? Most stories usually don't do that, and you can usually make inferences to their sexual orientation by paying attention to the people they have relationships with--of course, this doesn't exclude the possibility of bisexuality, but it's a cop-out more than anything else; there aren't that many people out there who are really bisexual. If they were bisexual, it would have to be really obvious.

If you are referring to characters whose genders remain unknown, or who have no known relationships with other characters, quite possibly because they are just minor characters, I suppose we're free to speculate--but that also has to apply to the characters they're going to have relationships with--they should also have a compatible sexual orientation, and their relationship should still be plausible.


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Seit mein Körper sich geändert hat, habe ich zahllose Todesfälle eingesehen. Ich habe beobachtet, wie Freunde alt werden und sterben... habe ganz verwandelnde Orte angesehen, die ich mich früher errinere. Ich schau an, wie Menschen, wieder und wieder, die gleiche Fehler wieder holen und niemals lernen sie von die Vergangenheit. Doch meine einzige Befreiung, ist es mich selbst zu errinern, daß ich noch ein Fleck mitten dem großerem Bild der Sache bin. Da gibt es noch ein menge schöne einzige Dinge, die ich mag schon erfahren... Daran dachte ich, es würde wunderbar sein... Liebe Trisha, als ich du traf und wir Kinder haben, habe ich erkannt, daß ich niemals mich ändern würde und auch wenn unsere Söhne mein Blut in ihren Venen tragen, werden sie sich erwaschen. Sie werden Alter bekommen. Davon hat diese Gedanke mich erschreckt. Danach dachte ich, im Ernst...bin ich Monster.
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post Aug 7 2010, 07:36 PM
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You're right about that. That's why slash pairings only work in the hands of a moderately talented writer. Someone who's able to make the relationship believable. Unfortunately those are rare. Sturgeon's Law and all that.


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post Aug 7 2010, 09:16 PM
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I'd imagine if you wanted to make a good slash fanfic, it would be incredibly difficult, or not worth the effort--it doesn't sound like fun. You have to find some way to force different personalities and a really good excuse for someone to change their sexual orientation. It sounds more like a chore than fun really.


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Seit mein Körper sich geändert hat, habe ich zahllose Todesfälle eingesehen. Ich habe beobachtet, wie Freunde alt werden und sterben... habe ganz verwandelnde Orte angesehen, die ich mich früher errinere. Ich schau an, wie Menschen, wieder und wieder, die gleiche Fehler wieder holen und niemals lernen sie von die Vergangenheit. Doch meine einzige Befreiung, ist es mich selbst zu errinern, daß ich noch ein Fleck mitten dem großerem Bild der Sache bin. Da gibt es noch ein menge schöne einzige Dinge, die ich mag schon erfahren... Daran dachte ich, es würde wunderbar sein... Liebe Trisha, als ich du traf und wir Kinder haben, habe ich erkannt, daß ich niemals mich ändern würde und auch wenn unsere Söhne mein Blut in ihren Venen tragen, werden sie sich erwaschen. Sie werden Alter bekommen. Davon hat diese Gedanke mich erschreckt. Danach dachte ich, im Ernst...bin ich Monster.
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May I start off by saying I am 100% a yaoi fangirl. I live and breath for yaoi. When it comes to fma yaoi, though, I've noticed that most of the pairings (the good ones at least) all involve Roy Mustang. Roy x ed, roy x maes, and roy x havoc are normally what comes to mind. However, I have heard and seen some weird pairings, like breda x armstrong and al x greed (talk about creepy). Has anyone noticed this trend?


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post Aug 14 2010, 04:34 PM
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Most of the opposition to yaoi has been surprising here. It has to do with it "not being realistic" or not fitting into the storylines of animes. First of all, most hentai-related things like that never have a chance of being "real", they are mainly for sexual entertainment. I don't like it because I do not like gay hentai, plain and simple.

Damn, after reading Wikipedia, it seems there is more to this than I thought. Well still, the idea of any Boy Love is kind of disturbing to me, but I completely respect people who do enjoy it. Hating on someone because of their harmless interests is wrong IMO.


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post Aug 14 2010, 08:37 PM
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Yeah, I completely respect people who don't like slash. Obviously it's not for everyone. It's just those ones that go "Eww, how can you like that pairing?! It's disturbing!" that bug me.


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post Aug 14 2010, 10:39 PM
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Ja, hating Yaoi and hating people who like it are two different things.

So long as the latter isn't persistently pestering you about their sexual fantasies or favorite slash pairings.


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Seit mein Körper sich geändert hat, habe ich zahllose Todesfälle eingesehen. Ich habe beobachtet, wie Freunde alt werden und sterben... habe ganz verwandelnde Orte angesehen, die ich mich früher errinere. Ich schau an, wie Menschen, wieder und wieder, die gleiche Fehler wieder holen und niemals lernen sie von die Vergangenheit. Doch meine einzige Befreiung, ist es mich selbst zu errinern, daß ich noch ein Fleck mitten dem großerem Bild der Sache bin. Da gibt es noch ein menge schöne einzige Dinge, die ich mag schon erfahren... Daran dachte ich, es würde wunderbar sein... Liebe Trisha, als ich du traf und wir Kinder haben, habe ich erkannt, daß ich niemals mich ändern würde und auch wenn unsere Söhne mein Blut in ihren Venen tragen, werden sie sich erwaschen. Sie werden Alter bekommen. Davon hat diese Gedanke mich erschreckt. Danach dachte ich, im Ernst...bin ich Monster.
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