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What & Why Do You Hate About Yaoi?
What do you hate about yaoi?
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post Feb 29 2008, 11:43 AM
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QUOTE(Little Washu @ Feb 29 2008, 11:51 AM) *
I hate the pairings that make no sense. Like people who hate each other, or ones who have spoke a full 20 sentences to each other through a 300 episode series, and most of them were insults or something. Trust me, I could name quite a few.


Agreed. I dislike pairings like NarutoxSasuke but don't mind something like NarutoxSakura. Seeing it makes more sense. Also, I just dislike yaoi/yuri in general unless its canon or not even anime/anything-else-media related.
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post Mar 2 2008, 03:00 PM
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Well, at current Yaoi means 'male on male porn'.

Porn is porn. It's not supposed to be highbrow, or sophisticated. It's not supposed to appeal to everyone. It's just... porn. If you don't like yaoi, just don't read/watch/view it and go find what you DO like. Same goes for specific kinks, pairings, settings, whatever.

People wouldn't write pairings if they were universally disliked. There'd be no one to want to write them.

No single individual's opinion is valued above another's. Just because you as an individual do not like something does not make it bad.




This is not to say that I disagree with this entire topic. I just think it's funny that, instead of posting why THEY dislike yaoi, some repliers are posting why people shouldn't MAKE it or POST it.

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post Mar 2 2008, 03:28 PM
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Heh, well, even though my obsession is currently a yaoi pairing, there are things I hate about it. Though it's all to do with the fans.

Well, there are those fangirls that pair two characters for the sole reason of "they're hot and would make hot sex"; Most of the time, those characters together make no sense. Take... hmm. Kyouya and Hikaru from Ouran High School Host club for an example. That just makes no sense. I only don't mind if it's a joke or a curious experiment; if they're being serious, then I usually go "wtf".

Then there's changing the character's personality in fanworks completely in a pairing; For example, the pairing of Sasori and Deidara in Naruto... Hmm, it's not that I don't like the pairing that I'm saying something negative about it; the pairing's actually my top obsession but... Seriously, Deidara isn't a "OMG DANNA ILUUUUUUUU, UN *glomp glomp glomp, un* DON'T LEAVE ME ALL ALOOOOOOOOOOOONEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE, UN" type of person. From what I've read in the manga he's more of a "haha. *pisses Sasori off* I told you it'd make you mad. *some teasing*" or something along the lines of that. He's certainly not sugary from what the manga's shown. I doubt he's sugary in the Anime either.

And... there's also the fans that think their yaoi pairing is canon when it's far too obviously not. "OMG SASORI X SASUKE IS CANON" yah, right, they've never even met. I don't mind it as a joke but I do mind if they're being serious because it means that they most likely have problems. I've met someone who went all... "SASORI X SASUKE IS FAR MORE CANON THAN DEIDARA X TOBI" ... I seriously went wtf. SasuSaku's far more likely to happen that than.

Then there's the seme/uke stereotype. Okay it's funny when you switch things around as crack but in a serious term: NO, JUST NO. Okay, let's go turn... uhhh... *find some characters in some manga books* Ah... Iono, but say that this one character's a seme-ish person and the other person is just a little less seme-ish. A fangirl comes in. Bam, the less seme-ish person is turned into... "OH WAAAAAAAAAAAH DON'T LEAVE ME *CRIES AND PULLS THE OTHER PERSON'S SHIRT OFF*"

Honestly, I just like any pairing as long as it makes sense and such. Doesn't matter to me, wether it's yaoi, yuri, or het~


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post Mar 4 2008, 02:59 PM
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QUOTE(Funkyduck @ Feb 18 2008, 06:41 PM) *
I personally hate that people jump to conclusions about these sort of things. I mean, can't two characters of the same gender be friends or show kindness towards each other without being made into a yaoi couple? Like Roy and Hughes are friends, but that doesn't mean they love each other.

Funny, because the reason I support that pairing is because I love the idea of them ONCE having a relationship and then coming out of it just friends, as it it made their friendship stronger rather than destroying it. It's an admiral idea.

Btw don't confuse "jumping to conclusions" with "thinking outside the box" I bet you didn't even stop for a minute to consider that us Hyuroi supporters usually support the pairing as a PRE-MARRIAGE one did you? While I do get your point about why can't friends just be friends, let me ask you something. What about friends in real life? Don't a lot of people that get together start out as friends first? Why can't they just stay friends? If two characters have a good dynamic and look like they could get along romantically, then fans can pair them up as they please. Friends get together in real life all the time, why can't they in slash?

Also, I turn this around: why can't Edward and Winry just stay friends? What makes them so meant to be? (excluding the manga here for a second, let's just look at the anime) All I see are a pair of very close friends. I mean, can't two characters of the oppsite gender be friends or show kindness towards each other without being made into a het couple?
Now I'm not saying it's wrong to like Edwin I'm just saying you should apply your own logic to straight pairings as well. (I do think Al is a better match for Winry tho btw, their personalities work better together imo)



Now then, what do I dislike about yaoi? Many things really. I dislike fans who never put any real effort into making a pairing work, or into making a fanfic well written, or get out of character for the sake of sex. I hate it when people try to shove a pairing down my throat as canon or get all nazi-ish.

BUT, I hate this about yuri and het too. So really, I hate all of this in fandom in general. And it DOES happen in het fanfiction and yuri fanfiction. Het isn't as allmighty good and pure as some het lovers like to think it is, and yaoi isn't the evil to end all evils.


The only things I hate exclusive to yaoi are when the uke/seme thing gets taken too seriously, and the hate yaoi breeds. it's gets annoying having to defend it all the time. :/


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post Mar 4 2008, 08:19 PM
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QUOTE(WeiS Blitz @ Mar 2 2008, 04:00 PM) *
Well, at current Yaoi means 'male on male porn'.

Porn is porn. It's not supposed to be highbrow, or sophisticated. It's not supposed to appeal to everyone. It's just... porn. If you don't like yaoi, just don't read/watch/view it and go find what you DO like. Same goes for specific kinks, pairings, settings, whatever.



This is a considerable point, but there is something to be said about slang (especially fandom slang) evolving new meanings, and in the case of yaoi (Which is originally intended to imply 'pointless porn') it has developed into a catch-all for "Slash" (which also has multiple fandom meanings depending on who you talk to), and that is the context in which it is being discussed here. Lest this be confused, this catch-all meaning for both "Slash" and "Yaoi" would be "Fictional works involving or focusing on homosexual relationships between male characters."

Considering this is a PG-13 public forum, discussing pornography in detail is obviously a subject to be skirted around. There's also the point to put into consideration that what one person considers pornographic could be completely acceptable and non-pornographic to another person. Much of what some yaoi fans would consider to be explicit fan material (whether in fanfic or doujinshi) could easily be published as acceptable content in a mainstream novel, or marked as a "16+" rated manga/comic. Much in the way most romance novels can be considered pornography for a predominantly female audience, they still also categorize (in a broad sense) as non-pornographic literature for the fact that they also focus on plots, relationship development and other aspects besides explicit scenes of sexual activity. (This is certainly not commentary on the literary value of romance/erotic novels, nor of yaoi; just a note of reminder that both of those tend to fall in the middle grounds between romance, erotica and pornography, and as such can also be in some cases, tasteful or artistic outside of their explicit nature.)


Summing up points: 1)In the case of this discussion, yaoi = Male/Male relationships, not necessarily porn. 2)Peoples' definitions and expectations of what they consider pornography differ. 3) Explicit material isn't necessarily artisically void. 4) Some people take things too seriously.


In my case, I prefer tasteful fanworks not because I feel like being high and mighty about something so 'pointless', but mostly because when even 'pointless yaoi' doesn't have some thought and care put into its execution, it comes off as gross, tacky and unenjoyable. Also because I just like looking at well done, pretty or interesting art. Personal preference.


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post Dec 14 2008, 10:06 AM
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I hate that people pair up characters that are straight! Such as Roy and Ed from FMA (they kind of hate each other and Roy is like 15 years older then Ed) Also Ed and Al as a paring shock.gif THEY ARE BROTHERS PEOPLE!! (they only love each other as brothers not in a romantic way,cause Ed loves Winry biggrin.gif


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post Dec 17 2008, 02:46 AM
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QUOTE (edxwinryfan @ Dec 15 2008, 01:06 AM) *
I hate that people pair up characters that are straight! Such as Roy and Ed from FMA (they kind of hate each other and Roy is like 15 years older then Ed) Also Ed and Al as a paring shock.gif THEY ARE BROTHERS PEOPLE!! (they only love each other as brothers not in a romantic way,cause Ed loves Winry biggrin.gif


I see the age gap as another hurdle they have to jump. biggrin.gif Plus, Ed is always going on about how he's an adult, right? As for the Elricest, some people could see that kind of devotion to each other as something more than familial love. biggrin.gif

Personally, I think both pairing are funny. tongue.gif

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What I hate about Yaoi is the image they give the uke. The uke is always a feminine guy and when they end up doing the deed, he acts like a girl there too! I haven't seen a decent doujin or manga that has a muscular uke that doesn't look off.
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post Dec 17 2008, 07:28 AM
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Well, looking at yaoi from the non-porn point of view, I can't stand the OOC-ness of the majority of the pairings and the terrible, terrible fanfiction, which I suppose is just as rampant in het pairings, but seeing as how they're not the point of dicussion...

The thing that most yaoi fanfic authors do which p*sses me off is they just start off their story like the characters have always been gay, when most of the time every single piece of evidence points towards to them being straight. Now, occasionally I can believe the "always been gay" thing if it's one-sided or a drabble/one-shot, but normally? Please. For example, we'll go with Roy/Ed, these are two straight guys, so an author has to really try and sell it in order for me to believe that our boys are that way inclined. A lot of character development would have to happen first and so far I've yet to find any story where the author has bothered (I'm sure there is one somewhere, I just don't care enough to go hunting through the slosh-piles in order to find it).

Keeping with Roy/Ed, the age gap doesn't bother me. People fall in love with older/younger people all the time, and Ed's not exactly a child. If you want to be technical about it, he's around the age of consent anyway, depending on where one comes from.
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post Dec 17 2008, 02:12 PM
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Well me being a Yaoi fan, I can definately say sometimes that I hate, like others have pointed out, the pairings of characters that don't go together.

Like...I'll use the series Katekyo Hitman Reborn for an example. The series is basically a yaoi fangirl's paradise seeing as you can pair up nearly every guy with another one, but majority of the pairings named don't go together. Some examples being: RyoheixHibari, HibarixYamamoto, GokuderaxYamamoto, ShamalxGokudera and so on. Some reasons for me seeing them NOT go together...Hibari and Ryohei don't really interact much, Hibari and Yamamoto rarely interact and Gokudera hates Yamamoto...and Shamal's older than Gokudera >_<

But aside from that problem...I can't really say I have anything to hate about yaoi =/


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post Dec 22 2008, 06:40 PM
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I really enjoy yaoi, but I hate badly written fanfiction that reflects poorly on the rest of the genre. I mean the ones that have a plot (or lack thereof) like a bad 70's porno. dry.gif

I also don't much like putting two straight characters together, but I have no problem with the people who do, unless they're rabid about it. I much prefer canon yaoi. biggrin.gif


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oops... I clicked the wrong poll button. *head/desk*

I don't like the really weird pairings, because some of them are just kind of.... wrong.

Like those edxal ones... *shudder*

I don't really have that much against yaoi.. except that.




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Weird pairings. Worst example I've ever seen?

ArmstrongxScar sad.gif That one hurt my brain...


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Wow. I though that it was impossible to find a pairing worse then EdXAl, but you, my friend, have found the impossible. mellow.gif


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I wish there was a prize for that... like being able to erase the memory of that fanfic. >_>


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I don't like the weird parings either, but you know, pairings like EdxHoho scares me more than ScarxArmstrong...I think, maybe they're tied. Eh, but Elricest doesn't seem that gross to me anymore, I got used to it and now I think it's cute smile.gif


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