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2012: What Do You Think
DarkBrain
post Dec 10 2007, 01:15 PM
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Lately there has been alot of talk of the world ending in 2012. Some people have also talked about this as the New Age. The Mayans even have 12-21-12 as the last day of their calander and as the day when the world ends at the hands of metorites and such.

Nostradamus, there was a special on him on the History Channel a few weeks ago, spekas of the Anti-Christ and how God will bring about the New Age using fire instead of water. He also speaks of the time when the center of the universe is crossed by eight celestial lines, and this phenomenon only happens every 13000 years, thriteen being the unluckly numerical value. Nostradamus also expects the world to be encased in a chaotic end at the hands of the Anti-Christ in 2012.

What do you think?


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post Dec 10 2007, 02:58 PM
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I have seen some fascinating cases presented for the Mayan calendar, for which I was fairly skeptical for the same reason as Popo, that we can't know how accurately the Mayan calendar matches up to our own.

I remember there being a fairly convincing argument with evidence for that particular date, but I don't particularly buy doomsday prophesies of any sort. Many people abuse such notions, treating them as a means for squeezing out personal gain from a desperate populace, even for smaller predicted crashes, less drastic than the whole world ending. Remember Y2k? We almost forgot about that fiasco, didn't we? In the end, some grocery store computers messed up, and a bunch of people had more Spam in their cellars than they knew what to do with. I also feel that too many people use the prospect of the world ending as an excuse to be reckless, or taking the so-called rapture as an exit strategy. Lots of people claim that they don't need to be concerned about polluting the environment, because Christ is going to come soon and the world will be reborn. Or, that can be the reason the consider the Iraq war to be a justified war, because they see evidence for it in the bible, as being a necessary step to the armageddon.

My brother in law who is Mormon, believes that the Mayan prediction is probably true, most likely influenced by his religion's belief that the Mayans and Aztecs were the civilizations described in the Book of Mormon. (Another can of worms. Look it up if you want a better understanding of their mythos) He says that the world is going to become entirely evil, and then the second coming will happen. I think a lot of people feel this way for a multitude of reasons. I think it's easy for some to see the immorality and darkness of the world and say that it's a part of a predicted cycle that will be eradicated once the rapture comes, rather than to wallow in despair and believe that it's impossible to put an end to AIDS, war, genocide, rape. I think it makes it easier for them to condemn what they see as immoral when they believe that they just need to hold out and be 'righteous' for a few more years.

As for the 'world ending' in 2012, I'd like to point out that the prediction for the end of the world in the Mayan sense doesn't necessarily mean the end of the world so much as the end of an era. And all mystical prophecies and pseudoscience involving astronomy aside, I do believe that the world is changing so rapidly that we are going to see some major overthrows of society and the world's general order quite soon.

All in all, the end of the world has been 'coming soon' for thousands of years. We seem to forget about all the failed apocalypses that have happened within a few months of nothing happening. It's a wise idea to give serious thought to the fact that drastic change can and will happen, probably sooner than later, but that sort of caution should come with reasonable planning and assumption of a very real future ensuing.


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- DarkBrain   2012: What Do You Think   Dec 10 2007, 01:15 PM
- - Popogeejo   QUOTE(DarkBrain @ Dec 10 2007, 08:15 PM) ...   Dec 10 2007, 01:37 PM
- - Summoner Colette   I think I'll be a sophomore in college, hopefu...   Dec 10 2007, 03:14 PM
- - Fushigi Rockna   I think people read too much into Nostradamus...   Dec 10 2007, 03:42 PM
- - DarkBrain   I appreciate everyone's commets, this is makin...   Dec 10 2007, 04:07 PM
- - Muzai taizai   As for me, I don't really believe Nostradamus ...   Dec 10 2007, 04:40 PM
- - asunder   someone wears a tin-foil hat Your second link cit...   Dec 10 2007, 04:51 PM
- - Fushigi Rockna   QUOTE(DarkBrain @ Dec 10 2007, 04:07 PM) ...   Dec 10 2007, 05:14 PM
- - asunder   moar debunking http://www.jaguar-sun.com/mayanfact...   Dec 10 2007, 05:16 PM
- - DarkBrain   Asunder- I think you've mis-understood the ent...   Dec 10 2007, 05:28 PM
|- - Popogeejo   QUOTE(DarkBrain @ Dec 11 2007, 12:28 AM) ...   Dec 10 2007, 05:42 PM
- - asunder   that entire site you linked is based around the in...   Dec 10 2007, 05:34 PM
- - phoenix dying   I'll either become successful in my job. Takin...   Dec 10 2007, 05:52 PM
|- - DarkBrain   Well, I suppose we'll just have to wait and se...   Dec 10 2007, 08:40 PM
- - Chiyo   Yea I'll be waiting till 2012 to see if the wo...   Dec 11 2007, 05:04 AM
- - DarkBrain   Scientific experts from around the world are genui...   May 21 2008, 06:50 PM
|- - asunder   QUOTE(DarkBrain @ May 21 2008, 09:50 PM) ...   May 21 2008, 08:13 PM
|- - Tris the Reaper   QUOTE(DarkBrain @ May 21 2008, 08:50 PM) ...   May 21 2008, 10:35 PM
- - Toby-Chan   "Calculating" that earth is well overdue...   May 22 2008, 05:20 AM
- - AlphonseRules   I'm pretty sure that humans will be around for...   May 22 2008, 11:06 AM
|- - Blysse   QUOTE (AlphonseRules @ May 22 2008, 10:06...   Dec 31 2008, 02:14 AM
|- - Mercy_Alchemist94   QUOTE (Blysse @ Dec 31 2008, 05:14 AM) An...   Apr 19 2009, 05:46 PM
- - FullTylerStarke   well i know one thing for certain, I will be hosti...   Dec 30 2008, 01:18 PM
- - FailToImpress   No, I don't think the world will end in 2012. ...   Dec 30 2008, 01:29 PM
- - Popogeejo   QUOTE And like the three anti-Christs. The third o...   Dec 31 2008, 06:27 AM
- - Artixte   2012 looks like a lucky number to me(that's ju...   Dec 31 2008, 11:11 AM
- - Forgiven   I don't believe it. Even though the ends times...   Mar 13 2009, 06:16 PM
- - Innocent-malice   I don't believe in it at all, if I'm corre...   Apr 19 2009, 01:46 PM
- - sidekick.kep37   Personally, I just like listening to the arguments...   Apr 19 2009, 06:52 PM
- - Hagaren_4ever   This is just ridiculous, it's things like this...   Jun 23 2009, 01:14 PM
- - Forsaken Love   LOL the world will end the year my country gets th...   Jun 23 2009, 01:19 PM
- - Mhacy   I dont believed in that end-of-the world crap. fir...   Jun 24 2009, 02:18 AM
- - ninryu   existence is forever.   Jun 24 2009, 06:04 AM
|- - Forgiven   QUOTE (ninryu @ Jun 24 2009, 09:04 AM) ex...   Jun 25 2009, 12:29 PM
- - Hagaren_4ever   QUOTE (ninryu @ Jun 24 2009, 09:04 AM) ex...   Jun 25 2009, 08:11 AM
- - angelstar2408   I guess we just have to wait and see if it's t...   Jun 26 2009, 02:39 AM
- - sidekick.kep37   QUOTE (Hagaren_4ever @ Jun 23 2009, 02:14...   Jun 30 2009, 11:55 AM
- - HannahBlack09   I sometimes believe it, sometimes not.. The whole ...   Aug 2 2009, 12:49 PM
- - sandrag   ~ 2012 doomsday real or fake? Let's Discuss. ...   Oct 25 2009, 06:53 PM
|- - Tombow   Merged the thread.   Oct 25 2009, 07:33 PM
- - Hagaren_4ever   QUOTE (sidekick.kep37 @ Jun 30 2009, 01:5...   Nov 17 2009, 01:07 PM
- - sambam   It's a load of crap. I don't believe that ...   Nov 19 2009, 04:35 PM
- - Hagaren_4ever   ^ Ha, well duh. Who wants to see a movie about the...   Nov 19 2009, 05:11 PM
- - Popogeejo   QUOTE I can't believe that they even made a mo...   Nov 19 2009, 08:34 PM
- - Hagaren_4ever   ^I think she just think it's ridiculous, and i...   Nov 19 2009, 09:26 PM
- - sambam   ^ I don't know, I don't really have a good...   Nov 19 2009, 09:29 PM
- - Fullmetal666   Remember back in 1999 how people were saying that ...   Nov 19 2009, 11:13 PM
|- - Imbris   QUOTE (Fullmetal666 @ Nov 20 2009, 01:13 ...   Nov 20 2009, 03:02 AM
- - Hagaren_4ever   ^ But the calender! The calender, Imbris! ...   Nov 20 2009, 07:18 AM
- - Disasterpiece   I beat Estate Takedown and Armor Piercing by mysel...   Dec 6 2009, 07:04 AM
- - sidekick.kep37   @ Disasterpiece On veteran???? Oh Gasp. Regardless...   Jan 7 2010, 01:43 PM
- - Animeoldtimer   I remember back in 1986 or '87 the world was s...   Jan 7 2010, 02:30 PM
- - sidekick.kep37   ^^ Well, the point of this being in the debate dis...   Jan 7 2010, 04:11 PM
- - Katya Martin   I think that whether you look at it from a religio...   Jan 16 2010, 11:15 AM
- - sidekick.kep37   ^Agreed. I know it's wrong for me to say this,...   Jan 16 2010, 01:24 PM
- - Katya Martin   I get what you mean, wanting to see what people do...   Jan 16 2010, 02:06 PM
- - Forsaken Love   I think something may happen in 2012 but of course...   Jan 17 2010, 06:25 AM
- - Broken Chouchou   I don't think anything's gonna happen. Not...   Jan 17 2010, 08:09 AM
- - FMAobsessed   All I can say is that if the world does end in 201...   Jan 17 2010, 09:52 AM
- - Forsaken Love   the actual date for 2012 is in december or somethi...   Jan 17 2010, 11:25 AM
- - kazare   2012 will really happen. It is written in the bibl...   Jan 19 2010, 02:42 AM
- - sidekick.kep37   Hold on, Kazare, when you said "2012 will hap...   Jan 23 2010, 04:14 PM
- - kazare   @sidekick.kep37 The 'it' that I am referr...   Jan 24 2010, 10:33 PM
- - kikuchan xx   I believe that the events happened on the movie 20...   Feb 14 2010, 04:33 AM
- - Vash_the_Gunslinger   QUOTE (kazare @ Jan 19 2010, 03:42 AM) 20...   Mar 1 2010, 05:59 PM
- - sidekick.kep37   Jeez, first an earthquake in Haiti and now in Chil...   Mar 2 2010, 05:48 PM
- - Popogeejo   QUOTE But to me, if an earthquake does strike (God...   Mar 2 2010, 07:50 PM
- - Katya Martin   Earthquakes can be tragic, but they're nothing...   Mar 2 2010, 09:17 PM
- - Broken Chouchou   Thank you, rational people.   Mar 4 2010, 02:03 AM
- - IceSkadi   Every new millennium there is a fool that spread t...   Mar 7 2010, 01:48 PM
- - Disasterpiece   I beat Dead Space on impossible mode in less than ...   Mar 7 2010, 07:00 PM
- - Nuclear Alchemist   I don't believe that the World will end in 201...   Jun 20 2010, 12:38 AM
- - mura_no_baka   I believe it's all bull.   Jul 28 2010, 07:54 AM
- - von Hohenheim   These "prophecies" are nothing more than...   Aug 5 2010, 01:37 AM
- - fmaexpert   i don't know if i believe if 2012 will happen(...   Feb 15 2011, 05:08 PM
- - PwnedByPineapple   12/21/12 is about six months before I graduate fro...   Feb 15 2011, 05:56 PM
- - Pananan   garrrr I don't believe in this at all. This in...   Feb 15 2011, 07:08 PM
- - Envy's Lady   I don't really believe it, no. However it does...   Feb 20 2011, 12:47 AM


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