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Chapter 77 "Regular" Discussion Thread For First Time Readers (and Others), No future chapter spoilers here, please. :)
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post Nov 11 2007, 08:24 AM
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QUOTE(Chiisana @ Nov 11 2007, 05:55 AM) *
@Anomia Grey - Be patient. Translators are human too >_> Give them time.

Now I wonder what will happen to the philosopher's stone the chimera picked up =/


Ok, I got that, but that doesn't mean you can rub spoilers in my face rolleyes.gif *walks back into her waiting for scanlation corner mumbling something about learning Japanese and then taking over the world* Oh, just ignore a frustrated fangirl.


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Ahh, I'm sorry. I though that you already 'read' the RAW scan, since you asked for translation, not scanlation happy.gif;;


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*blushes at having made such a fuss about nothing* it's ok, I would have done the same, and I agree on what you said about Ed ^^


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post Nov 11 2007, 11:29 AM
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Thanks for translating, Tombow! I check back every few minutes for more. XD

But....

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Ed: "That may shorten my own life a bit."
Monkey Chimera: "You.... Are you fine with it?"


Uh oh, I don't like the sound of that. ;.;
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post Nov 11 2007, 12:02 PM
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QUOTE(Alchemical @ Nov 11 2007, 12:29 PM) *
Thanks for translating, Tombow! I check back every few minutes for more. XD

But....

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Ed: "That may shorten my own life a bit."
Monkey Chimera: "You.... Are you fine with it?"


Uh oh, I don't like the sound of that. ;.;


You and me both...I swear she had better not kill Edo-kun ;_;


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QUOTE(Alchemical @ Nov 11 2007, 11:29 AM) *
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Ed: "That may shorten my own life a bit."
Monkey Chimera: "You.... Are you fine with it?"


Uh oh, I don't like the sound of that. ;.;

Aaargh! Hiromu-sensei! What have you done?!?! >____< "A bit"?? How much is 'a bit' to Edward? It feels that for Edward, 'a bit' is really small, but for other, it sounds pretty big o.o



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QUOTE(Winry_Rockbell83 @ Nov 11 2007, 02:02 PM) *
You and me both...I swear she had better not kill Edo-kun ;_;


*nodnod* ;.;

QUOTE(Chiisana @ Nov 11 2007, 02:30 PM) *
Aaargh! Hiromu-sensei! What have you done?!?! >____< "A bit"?? How much is 'a bit' to Edward? It feels that for Edward, 'a bit' is really small, but for other, it sounds pretty big o.o


*nodnod*
And, who knows, this may come into play later. Or, if Ed lives until the end, he may die at an early of twenty-something, or maybe fifty or sixty. I hope it's the latter.

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Ed: "... Don't declare me dead without asking me."
SFX puff (sound of Ed's antennae popping up)


I couldn't help but laugh. XD
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QUOTE(Alchemical @ Nov 11 2007, 01:00 PM) *
*nodnod*
And, who knows, this may come into play later. Or, if Ed lives until the end, he may die at an early of twenty-something, or maybe fifty or sixty. I hope it's the latter.

-Smack my head- Nuuuuu!!!!!

QUOTE(Alchemical @ Nov 11 2007, 01:00 PM) *
Ed: "... Don't declare me dead without asking me."
SFX puff (sound of Ed's antennae popping up)

I couldn't help but laugh. XD
Same here. Nicely done of Hiromu to add some humor. The same with that Ed would suffocate to death because of the fur happy.gif

I don't know what I want longer T_T Sometimes, I say Hiromu is cruel, sometimes she's awesome... She's killing meh Dx

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Hahaha you're awesome Tombow! If it wasn't you, I did ever notice that part! Hahaha...


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QUOTE(Alchemical @ Nov 11 2007, 02:00 PM) *
*nodnod*
And, who knows, this may come into play later. Or, if Ed lives until the end, he may die at an early of twenty-something, or maybe fifty or sixty. I hope it's the latter.

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Ed: "... Don't declare me dead without asking me."
SFX puff (sound of Ed's antennae popping up)


I couldn't help but laugh. XD


I really hope it's the latter too, but I wonder if Papa Hoho (being a Philosopher's Stone himself) might somehow be able to prolong his son's life in some crazy twist of fate. The mere thought of Edward dying makes me wanna cry...I don't want to think of him dying at age 50 or 60...that's so so young to die. =/

LOL the antennae part made me giggle too xD


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Done with the first run of the translation!! ^^
I will go get something to eat, then come back and go over for mistakes and typos.

This chapter, as I said, feels short. But, that cool pic of Ed with lions is nice!

Ed's antennae scene is funny!! XDD
Although, Ed didn't actually say "... Don't declare me dead without asking me." in the raw.
In the direct translation of the raw Ed says "Don't kill me at your own whim." And, what he meant by that is "... Don't declare me dead at your own whim." I will probably edit it to be more faithful to the raw later, tho this way sounds funnier. And, sounds kinda Edish, IMO. XD

About Ed doing "Medical Alchemy" using his own "soul power" ... Whoa, kind of like, Ed's Alchemic ability is approaching mystical proportion there. XD

And, I wonder what does this "New" transmutation circle would do?
By any chance, this one would release back all the trapped souls?? But, if that happens, Ho-ho papa would ... die?? That would make me sad. I hope not... ph34r.gif


ETA: Typos corrected. Thanks, ehxhfdl14!! ^^


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Uwah, such an awesome chapter with tons of revelations OㅂO!!
Edward's antennae popping up made me laugh...lol.

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*Al: "When I get back into my own body, together, brother will get back into your own."

*Winry: "I promised that when I cry next time, that would be a cry of happiness."

*Inside Ed's mind: "Just like the case with Philosopher's Stone." (Single apostrophe instead of double for thinking recommended)

*Inside Ed's mind: Right now, I am a Philosopher's Stone equivalent to the size of one soul.

*Inside Ed's mind: The sensation of using the soul!!!

*Monkey chimera: "And now...?"

*Lion chimera: "You have more or less saved my life, so I will pay back what I owe you."

*Marcho and Scar: "?!" (BTW, didn't you spell 'Marcho' like 'Marcoh' or something like that before? I dunno what I'm talking about ㅡ_ㅡ;;)

*Mei: "This research notes contain too many words that are meaning Gold and Immortality."
"And, each word with subtle difference in expressions..."

*Marcho: "We had to reverse this crises, else we will should enormous casualties ahead of us....!!"

*Hog chimera soldier: "You, bustard, what if the precious clue would have gotten blown away and lost!!" (bustard>>bastard?)

*Al: "Don't change the position of the pages!!

*Scar, Mei, & Marcho: "!!"

*Kimbley: <thinking> There seems to be no sign of recent human passage." "...I might have taken the wrong path."


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Page 1:
White Text: Those golden eyes hold dominion over all wild beasts.
Title: Turnabout Transmutation Circle [H: I could have worded this differently, but the Phoenix Wright reference was too much to resist.]

Page 2:
Text: Ed has suffered a fatal wound in his battle with Kimblee!
SFX: Crummmmmble

SFX: Thunk

Ed Flashback: We've got to live on, even if we have to crawl...no matter how pathetic it looks.

Hawkeye: There are a lot of people waiting for you two to get your bodies back.

Al: I'm not getting my body back
unless you get yours back, too.

Page 3:
SFX: Twitch

Winry: You promised the next time I cried, it would be out of joy.

SFX: SLAM

Ed: I can't...
made everyone...
cry...

SFX: Sliide

Ed: ...over me!
SFX: Grab

Page 4:
SFX: Bzzzzrt

Ed SFX: KHAGH-
SFX: Clank

SFX: Bzzrt

SfX: GONNNG

Page 5:
Ape: Eh?

Ow-
Lion: Damn him...Mr. Kimblee really threw us under the bus...

Ape: Hey, Fullmetal, you all right?!
Why'd you save us?
Lion: You're really hurt!

Ed: Don't get...
the wrong...idea...
Small bubbles: Zeeeh...
haaa
huuu
haaa

Page 6:
Ed: I just needed...
someone to pull this damn thing outta my...
stomach...
Small bubbles: Huuu haaah

Ape: Y-you want us to pull that beam out?
Even though we were just fighting?
Ed: Yeah...
Please...

Ape: Weeeel, I don't recall being ordered to kill him,
do you?
SFX: Upsy-daisy.

Lion: But if we pull this out, you're gonna start bleeding like crazy and die of blood loss?

Ed: No...as soon as you remove it...
I'm gonna close the wound with alchemy...hopefully before I die.
Lion: You're a medical alchemist, too?

Page 7:
Ed: No...
but a long time ago, I tried human transmutation...
so I read about it a little...

Ape: But your insides must be completely messed up...
The only reason Mr. Kimblee survived being impaled by Scar was because he had a Philosopher's Stone.

Ed: I'm gonna use my own life energy...
to increase the power.

It might shorten my life span a little, but...
Lion: A-are you sure about this?

Ed: I don't have time to think.
I'm in this situation because I've been too soft...
I made a mess, and now I gotta clean it up. [H: This is a Japanese idiom - literally, "It's my arse, I gotta wipe it myself.]

Page 8:
Lion: I don't really get what you're gonna do, but you're right, there's no time.
Okay.
Get ready.

Ed: Right...
Small sfX: Huuuu...

Ed: Think of yourself as a mass of life energy.

Do it.

SFX: Grab

Ed: Just like a Philosopher's Stone.
SFX: SPLURCH

Page 9:
Ed: GHUOAGH-
I'm nothing more than a Philosopher's Stone made of one soul.

Think back...
remember that feeling..
All SFX: ZUZUZUZUZU

Ed: How it felt...
When I used Envy's stone!

Page 10:
Ed: UOOOOOAAAAAGH!
Ed: How it feels to use life itself!
SFX: ZUZUZUZUZU

Ed: GH-
GHIII-

Page 11:
SFX: BZZZZZZZZZRT

Page 12:
Lion: Is he dead?

Ed: ...Hell no...not yet.
Antenna SFX: Poit!

Ape: Wow...
You don't even need a doctor as long as you know Alchemy, huh?

Ed: I couldn't...completely fix it...
This is just first aid to stop the bleeding...
and protect my organs.
Lion: So we need a doctor, after all...

Ed: No time...
Gotta...hurry...
Ed bubble: KHACK
Ape: You're looking a little wobbly there, kid...

Ape: He's gonna end up reopening that wound.
Lion: Only one thing to do.

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Lion: Up we go.
SFX: HAGH

Ed: Mane...
smothering...
me...
Lion: But it looks cool, right?
King of the jungle, baby!

Ape: So?
Where do we go?
Lion: You saved our lives, so we owe you.
I'll be your legs.

Ed: Follow...
Kimblee...
Everyone's...
in danger...

SFX: Slump
Lion: Hn?

Ape: He's out cold.
Lion: Now what?

Page 14:
Ape: The surface is crawling with soldiers from Briggs...we're toast if we go back up.

And if we chase Scar,
we might run into Mr. Kimblee.

Lion: What an idiot.
He's half-dead and he still wanted to fight Mr. Kimblee.

Oh well.
SFX: Hoop!
Ape: The kid might not like it, but I say we find a different route out and get him to a doctor.

Hell, we're free men now. Everyone's gotta figure we died in the collapse, including Mr. Kimblee.
Lion: Enough with the "Mister" crap.
It's that damn nutjob's fault we got dragged into this in the first place.

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Ape: Hmm?

Lion: what is it?

Ape: It's...

SFX: Trudge trudge

Page 16:
All SFX: Trudge trudge

May small text: Al-sama's waistcloth...

Al: Urgh...

Page 17:
Al: Huh?
Wha?

SFX: Shuffle shuffle

Winry: Al!
May: Al-sama!

Winry: You're awake? Are you all right?
Al: Hey, HEY! Why the heck am I all in pieces?

Winry: Oh thank God...I didn't know what we'd do if you didn't regain consciousness...

Al: But WHAT'S GOING ON?!
Scar: You passed out on us.

You were too big and heavy to carry in one piece, so we split your body up.
Al: Aah...

Sorry about that.

Right...and if I'd been in one piece, there's no way you both escape and save me if you ran into trouble.

Page 18:
Yoki: ACHOO!
ACHOOOOOOO!

It's t-t-too cold for this!
Quit wasting time and figure out where to go!
SFX: Shiver shiver
Marcoh: Right...

Let's hide in there for the time being...

Winry: Has that ever happened before?

Al: Yeah.
Once, while I was on my way to find you...

Winry: That was the SECOND time?!

Yoki: ACHOO

Winry: Twice, in such a short amount of time...
Scar: Collapsing like that so frequently is definitely a bad sign.

Page 19:
Marcoh: I'm afraid you'll have to remain scattered around for the time being.
Al: I'm sorry.
You guys have to waste time on me when you should be deciphering that research...

May: Scattered?

Rearranged...

Marcoh-san, may I see the book for a second?
Marcoh Small text: Sure.

SFX: Rustle rustle
SCATTER

SFX: Scatter scatter
Marcoh: What in the world are you doing?!

Page 20:
SFX: Rustle rustle
Marcoh: Y-you dropped the pages all over the ground!

May: There are too many different words in there that mean gold and immortality.
And all those strange phrases...

I was just thinking, what if we separated all the pages and then grouped the ones using the same words together?

Marcoh: Okay, I'll help too.

"Golden man..."
That goes with this group.
May: "Immortal" goes over here.

Page 21:
SFX: Rustle rustle rustle rustle
Marcoh: "A Perfect Man..."
Ah, here we go.
Scar: Give me that page, Marcoh.
May: That goes over HERE.
Marcoh: And this...

Here's the last one.

May: Ah-now if we connect the markings on each page...
we...

Marcoh: This is...

Page 22:
Marcoh: The Transmutation Circle I theorized they'd use to make a Philosopher's Stone out of the whole country!
We already knew about this...it was all for nothing!
SFX: Slump

Marcoh: If we don't reverse this terrible situation soon, the world will suffer unspeakable tragedy!
Tankee: Then the research was just a red herring? It didn't even help at all?!

Toad: Y-you're kidding!
Tankee: I thought that book would solve everything!
Scar: Brother...is this what you wanted to tell me about?

You researched the Alchemy that we Ishvalans loathed so strongly, and the Rentanjutsu of the foreign lands...
And yet you only got this far...?

Tankee: Isn't there some kinda secret hidden in there somewhere?
You guys're supposed to be top-class alchemists, right? Figure it out!
Yoki: Ah...AAAh...

ACHOOOOOOO!
Toad: WAAAGH!

Page 23:
Toad: You moron, you blew the pages all over the place!
Yoki: B-be quiet! It's too cold here!
I've practically got frostbite over here!
Tankee: Now it's all messed up again...
Which side was the front?

Al: Take the terrible situation we're in...and...

May: And we finally had them all arranged...
Umm...This went...here...

Al: Reverse it!!

Page 24:
Al: That's it!
Leave the pages exactly as they are, but flip them over!
Scar: What?
Al: Don't switch their positions! Just turn them over!

Marcoh: Right!

Yoki: Huh? Now what?
Tankee: What is it?
SFX: Rustle rustle

SFX: Flip

Al: Well?
May: That was it.

Page 25:
May: This is the new Amestris-wide transmutation circle
that you'd get if you combined Rentanjutsu with Alchemy.

SFX: HYUUUOOOOOOOOO

Page 26:
SFX: Step Step

SFX: Step step
DRIP

SFX: Sluuuuurp

SFX: Step step
Kimblee: Nothing seems out of place...no signs of anyone having been here recently.
Perhaps I chose the wrong path?

I should probably go back...

Page 27:
SFX: CREEEE

SFX: hyoooooo
Crumble crumble

SFX: Tak

Page 28-29:
Kimblee: Aah, I see.
They used this to cart away the debris from Sloth's tunnel.

SFX: KWSH

Pride: The Crimson Alchemist, I presume?
SFX: Zozozozozozozo

Page 30:
Pride: Hello.
My name is "Pride."

Kimblee: Do you have some business with me?
Pride: What is the situation with Scar/

Kimblee: I'm pursuing him as we speak.
SFX: ZOZOZOZOZOZOZO

Pride: Forget Scar for the moment.
First...

You need to carve a blood-soaked crest into Briggs.

Kimblee: That's easily said, but Briggs' soldiers have strong wills, and their combined strength is of monolithic proportions.

Page 31:
Rearranged...
Kimblee: You're asking quite a bit of me.

Pride: Then you'll need to match their "monolithic" strength with something equally powerful.

SFX: CRUNCH CRUNCH

Pride: Sloth has nearly completed the tunnel.
SFX: CRUNCH CRUNCH

Page 32:
Father: Hurry...

Faster...
Faster...
SFX: Clang clang clang

Father: The day of reckoning is almost upon is.
Text: The plan enters its final stage!
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First of all: THANKS, TOMBOW!! You made me read FMA 77! (that means we have work to do =P)

As for the chapter: quite predictable, Ed using alchemy to save his arse. I wasn't expecting Mei to save him, as I knew she was far away (although I heard a theory about Mei saving Ed using Lungmei through Al XD). But the explanation was good: Ed became a Philosofer Stone, and saved himself, using his life energy. If Ed already understood the alchemy to this point, he sure grew a lot!

Al learning rentanjutsu and that "renkinjutsu + rentanjutsu" thing, I like it. I was expecting that they would use the same circle Father built to try to invert the situation (altough I don't know HOW they'll make it), but I wasn't excpeting that it would be this way. Scar's brother (poor pal, doesn't have even a name) understood alchemy a lot. If I am thinking right, Father tried to change Xerxes' alchemy, and made Rentanjutsu, with only a part of it. Rentanjutsu seems to be more "close" to the original, although it isn't original. But now we finally see the "ultimate alchemy", the true combination. The two alchemy together as one. And Al learnt about it!

But this chapter left me sad: FMA really is coming to an end! =( And very flustered, too, as it had ONLY 32 pages! Arakawa, this way you'll kill me! But I was thinking: chapter 74, 75, 76 and 77 are short. But they are, also, the volume 19's chapter! Does this mean she is using less pages for... let's say... Gaiden? o.O


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No, it's not just you, I've definitely noticed this too. Thanks for this translation as well happy.gif I also can't help but wonder if it's Arakawa-sensei's editors giving her hell and making the chapters so much shorter than what they used to be...


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Awesome!!! I scanslated the chapter!! happy.gif it's uploading to photobucket right now!!~~
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