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Chapter 73 "Regular" Discussion Thread For First Time Readers (and Others), No future chapter spoilers here, please. :)
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post Jul 12 2007, 10:00 AM
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awesome chapter!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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post Jul 12 2007, 10:22 AM
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It also makes me wonder why Father just considers Izumi as a mere possibility although she has seen the Gate.


He doesn't know for sure!

Does anyone think that perharps Jude will actually make an appearance in the main plot?
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post Jul 12 2007, 11:59 AM
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He doesn't know for sure!

Does anyone think that perharps Jude will actually make an appearance in the main plot?


I really don't think he will, but there' still a possibility.


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post Jul 12 2007, 03:42 PM
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As always, the translations clear things up for me. That last page is very intriguing. I'm beginning to think that Roy will be the last person. I suppose that's an obvious guess given the situation Hawkeye is in.

I liked how Al shined in this chapter. He really showed maturity and character.

What do you think about Winry giving her earings to Ed? I thought that was a cute part.


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post Jul 13 2007, 05:29 AM
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Hmmm...

Izumi is a powerful alchemist, Gate or no. Still, she is being considered as there may well be other pawns who can be used...Scar, for instance, probably. Or maybe even Mei Chan.

It is very possible that Roy could be the fifth pawn. Father could use him to open the Gate, and in the process, he'll also gain the ability to perform alchemy without an array. Heh, he can probably make flames by clapping his hands then! XDDDDDD And of course, the fact that Riza is being held hostage and is now being watched by Pride also adds to it...

Oh dear, maybe the attraction between Al's body and soul is getting stronger...either that, or it's weakening and soon the body will decay. Egads, will Ed and company find out, and if they do, how will they be able to help him? Will this affect Father's plans, or will it actually be part of his scheme? What if Al's body goes on a rampage, like Barry's? Will they have to destroy his body? Yikes. So many questions...and yes, I agree that Al did have a good part in this chapter. And it's here that you really see that even though he's a soul attached to armor, he's still a growing boy...

Could THAT be the reason for his body popping up?

Still, I'm disappointed that some characters are still MIA as of now, like the rest of Roy's subordinates (HAVOC T_T), Ran Fan, and even the other Homunculi. Well, at least we caught a glimpse of Ling...and he doesn't seem to be fighting against Greed inside him...

And yes, I think it's sweet that Winry gave Ed her earrings. And then some random situation will crop up that will have Ed using the earrings to save his life...what that is, I don't know. XD


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post Jul 13 2007, 05:33 AM
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QUOTE(Animeoldtimer @ Jul 12 2007, 11:42 PM) [snapback]561482[/snapback]
What do you think about Winry giving her earings to Ed? I thought that was a cute part.

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I see him lying dead somewhere, dramatically with Winry's earrings in hand as he was about to give them back....

Kidding, well no actually that was my first thought but it was also really quite sweet.

Otherwise, I shall discuss more once I've got my head round translations and such.


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post Jul 13 2007, 05:51 AM
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And yes, I think it's sweet that Winry gave Ed her earrings. And then some random situation will crop up that will have Ed using the earrings to save his life...


I can see more likely a situation where those earring will endanger their lives... let's say that Ed is somewhat careless and Kimblee finds the earrings. Smart ans suspicious as he is, he will certainly suspect something, and he will be a bigger problem than the one he already is...
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post Jul 13 2007, 08:22 AM
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QUOTE(Sannom @ Jul 13 2007, 08:51 PM) [snapback]561610[/snapback]
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And yes, I think it's sweet that Winry gave Ed her earrings. And then some random situation will crop up that will have Ed using the earrings to save his life...


I can see more likely a situation where those earring will endanger their lives... let's say that Ed is somewhat careless and Kimblee finds the earrings. Smart ans suspicious as he is, he will certainly suspect something, and he will be a bigger problem than the one he already is...


Could be...then Kimblee could start piecing things together and realize their plan...

If he could turn those earrings into bombs, I'll just laugh. XDDDDDDD


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post Jul 13 2007, 09:25 AM
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Chiyo, thanks for the compliment. smile.gif

Another thing funny about the earing situation is the fact that they are concerned about the earings burning her ears, but they don't even suggest she cover her ears so they don't get frost bite. rolleyes.gif


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post Jul 13 2007, 10:32 AM
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About Alphonse seeing the gate...

When I saw that scene, I thought it was clear what had happened.

Alphonse almost died. He's not as immune to the cold as he thinks he is. The armor may freeze and be okay, but the blood seal is not so resilient. It was a near-death experience that brought him to the gate, to his body. The cold almost caused a rejection.

I freaked out when I saw that scene. Oh, Al~ Don't diiiiiie~


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post Jul 13 2007, 11:47 AM
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QUOTE(Sensenic @ Jul 12 2007, 01:53 AM) [snapback]561342[/snapback]
Truth to be told, I didn't quite like how everyone was so fast convinced to act together, even if it was the best choice, given the circumstances. Specially the chimeras: Al's "lesson" (forgot to remark that, along with the "taking off the helmet" part, aa? ;p ) was very beautiful, yes, but it still felt somewhat rushed. That, along with Winry's quick decision (it was surprising, tho', that SHE was the one to come up with the plan! talk about guts!), the Elrics' agreement to it... everything together did leave me this feeling that it all went too good too fast.


Oops XD Well, was too shock by the armor and body scene... *.*;;

QUOTE(Amethyst Sunset @ Jul 13 2007, 05:29 AM) [snapback]561604[/snapback]
What if Al's body goes on a rampage, like Barry's?


I doubt that would happen, since Barry's body had a different soul affixed to it, while Al's body is soulless...

QUOTE(Gukumatz @ Jul 13 2007, 10:32 AM) [snapback]561654[/snapback]
About Alphonse seeing the gate...

When I saw that scene, I thought it was clear what had happened.

Alphonse almost died. He's not as immune to the cold as he thinks he is. The armor may freeze and be okay, but the blood seal is not so resilient. It was a near-death experience that brought him to the gate, to his body. The cold almost caused a rejection.

I freaked out when I saw that scene. Oh, Al~ Don't diiiiiie~



After reading your post, somehow I can sooo see Al's soul getting locked up into the gate with his body @____@
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post Jul 13 2007, 06:50 PM
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I am now, above all, most interested in what's going to happen with Olivia now that she's summoned back to Central. Secret planning with Roy? But then, she'd probably have to find some way to sneak back to Briggs to get to her army. Roy, Olivia, and Grumman all together in the same city? Hmmm.

QUOTE(Gukumatz @ Jul 13 2007, 10:32 AM) [snapback]561654[/snapback]
About Alphonse seeing the gate...

When I saw that scene, I thought it was clear what had happened.

Alphonse almost died. He's not as immune to the cold as he thinks he is. The armor may freeze and be okay, but the blood seal is not so resilient. It was a near-death experience that brought him to the gate, to his body. The cold almost caused a rejection.

I freaked out when I saw that scene. Oh, Al~ Don't diiiiiie~

I'm not sure that it has as much to do with the cold as much as gradually losing the battle against probability. At any point, there is a chance of rejection, and the greater the length of time that Al spends in that body, the greater chance there is that the armor will reject his soul (or is it the other way around?) at some point. It's akin to having more and more unlucky dicerolls as time goes on.

Somewhat tangentially, a thought occurred to me while I was walking in the hall at work today. You know how Al can't get in the water because of his blood seal potentially washing away?

Why can't he just put a layer of paint or lacquer over it? The blood's still there; it's simply protected now. And if he matches the color to his armor, he could hide it!

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post Jul 13 2007, 07:37 PM
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Maybe the reason why you can't paint over a blood seal is that the chemicals in paint or lacquer or whatever will mix into the dried blood and disturb the bond between the iron in it and the metal.

Hmmm...I can imagine water vapor condensing on Al's armor, turning back into water when it comes into contact with his cold armor. So some water may be dribbling down on his blood seal, giving him the near-death experience...


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post Jul 13 2007, 07:41 PM
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QUOTE(TheRainbowConnection @ Jul 13 2007, 06:50 PM) [snapback]561746[/snapback]
I'm not sure that it has as much to do with the cold as much as gradually losing the battle against probability. At any point, there is a chance of rejection, and the greater the length of time that Al spends in that body, the greater chance there is that the armor will reject his soul (or is it the other way around?) at some point. It's akin to having more and more unlucky dicerolls as time goes on.

Somewhat tangentially, a thought occurred to me while I was walking in the hall at work today. You know how Al can't get in the water because of his blood seal potentially washing away?

Why can't he just put a layer of paint or lacquer over it? The blood's still there; it's simply protected now. And if he matches the color to his armor, he could hide it!


I don't think what you said countered what I said.

What I meant was that the cold was increasing the probability of his armor rejecting his soul... because the blood on the blood seal is affected by the cold. It's the same as if someone scratched his seal or if water touched it -- either way, the only thing that links Al to the living world is being damaged.

Or did you mean that it was just time? Time is probably a factor, too, but I don't think it was everything.

As for the lacquer thing... That's interesting. I wonder if the blood seal has to be exposed to the world? Barry's and the serial killer brothers' was exposed, too.


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post Jul 14 2007, 01:45 AM
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QUOTE(Porgand @ Jul 12 2007, 06:40 PM) [snapback]561362[/snapback]
Am I the only one to notice that Winry's boobs are as big as Mei's head? XD Ah well, probably.



YES. LING. ILU.


You are not the only person who noticed that fact about Winry's boobs... It's kind of strange. Is it because of many layers of warm clothes or something?

Maybe if Al can't paint over his blood seal he should use peace of metal to put it over. Winry could fix it in hermetic way. It would be solution of many problems.
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