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The U. S. A. And Guns
Popogeejo
post Apr 16 2007, 10:14 PM
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QUOTE(Abstruse Eulogy @ Apr 17 2007, 06:04 AM) [snapback]531494[/snapback]
But the gunman apparently obtained his weapon[s] on the black market. Stricter gun control wouldn't have done a damn thing to stop this.

Yeah, but it wouldn't do any harm all the same.


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post Apr 16 2007, 10:16 PM
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QUOTE(esrz22 @ Apr 13 2007, 04:21 PM) [snapback]529845[/snapback]
I read the title as the Ursa And Guns, so now I have a mental image of bears with guns.

That sounds like something either Gary Larson or Calvin would create.

What, you mean like this?


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But the gunman apparently obtained his weapon[s] on the black market. Stricter gun control wouldn't have done a damn thing to stop this.

Yeah, but it wouldn't do any harm all the same.

But if one of those first handful of students he shot was carrying a concealed firearm, he could've been taken down, preventing most of the casualties. Think about it.


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post Apr 16 2007, 10:21 PM
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QUOTE(Abstruse Eulogy @ Apr 17 2007, 06:16 AM) [snapback]531505[/snapback]
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But the gunman apparently obtained his weapon[s] on the black market. Stricter gun control wouldn't have done a damn thing to stop this.

Yeah, but it wouldn't do any harm all the same.

But if one of those first handful of students he shot was carrying a concealed firearm, he could've been taken down, preventing most of the casualties. Think about it.

Tighter gun regulations wouldn't necessarily mean banning personal weapons. Why have it concealed though? Surely if you had the guns on clear display it would be safer. People would be less inclined to start anything if they knew that other people would be able to deal with them.


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post Apr 16 2007, 10:23 PM
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What part of 'illegal arms market' do you not understand? All the regulations in the world wouldn't do a thing to prevent an incident such as this.


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post Apr 16 2007, 10:33 PM
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QUOTE(Abstruse Eulogy @ Apr 17 2007, 06:23 AM) [snapback]531512[/snapback]
What part of 'illegal arms market' do you not understand? All the regulations in the world wouldn't do a thing to prevent an incident such as this.

Who said anything about preventing the incident?
Yes, criminal would not follow the regulations, we know this, but if other people did and had their legally acquired guns on display maybe such things could be prevented in the future. You would have to be stupid to wave a gun about when there are other people who are plainly/clearly armed.


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post Apr 16 2007, 10:37 PM
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But see, mandating people to carry guns in plain view would be both impractical and unconstitutional [right to privacy and all that].


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post Apr 16 2007, 10:44 PM
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Ah, I'm not familiar with American gun laws and Privacy laws.
I've be under the impression that you can't carry a gun in public unless you have a license for a concealed weapon.
Going from this I assumed that the weapon must remain concealed unless it's being used for whatever reason.
My idea, then, was to make it legal to carry the gun but not necessitate that it be concealed.

I guess I need to learn me some American law.


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post Apr 16 2007, 10:51 PM
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QUOTE(Popogeejo @ Apr 16 2007, 10:14 PM) [snapback]531504[/snapback]
QUOTE(Abstruse Eulogy @ Apr 17 2007, 06:04 AM) [snapback]531494[/snapback]
But the gunman apparently obtained his weapon[s] on the black market. Stricter gun control wouldn't have done a damn thing to stop this.

Yeah, but it wouldn't do any harm all the same.

"If guns are outlawed the only outlaws will have guns"

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I guess I need to learn me some American law.

Do you think?

It's just like I said in my last post and all along. If there as a chance that the person you are planning to fire a gun at might just shoot back, crimes involving guns would go way down.

However it sounds like this person was probably insane so my point in this case might be moot.
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post Apr 16 2007, 10:58 PM
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"If guns are outlawed the only outlaws will have guns"

No where in my post did I say guns should be outlawed....
Regulations doesn't mean making things illegal.


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post Apr 16 2007, 11:34 PM
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They already are regulated and in some places like San Francisco banned. It doesn't change peoples mindset about commiting violent acts.
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post Apr 17 2007, 12:16 AM
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So is their anything you would change about the current gun laws? Maybe make bullets regulated or some such?

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Do you think?

Am I ever going to use the info beyond this debate in the future? Highly unlikely so no, I don't think I really need to learn American guns laws, it would be nice though if my misconceptions were simply cleared up though smile.gif


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post Apr 17 2007, 02:19 AM
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Its going to be harder for a nation like us to understand the thinking behind allowing weapons. After watching what the IRA did in Ireland and the UK for so many years, its hard to accept guns as anything but a weapon to kill people. Thats not saying that everyone is predesposed to kill just because they have a gun, and I realise the weapons the IRA obtained were illegal...but because people in this nation will never be able to defend themselves with a gun the idea of anyone having one is all a bit foreign.


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post Apr 17 2007, 09:08 AM
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QUOTE(Popogeejo @ Apr 17 2007, 12:33 AM) [snapback]531521[/snapback]
Who said anything about preventing the incident?
Yes, criminal would not follow the regulations, we know this, but if other people did and had their legally acquired guns on display maybe such things could be prevented in the future. You would have to be stupid to wave a gun about when there are other people who are plainly/clearly armed.


I think you have a good point here, but you can never be quite sure to whether it would lead to more shootings or less. Other than the uncertainty, I really see potential to allowing responsible people to carry sidearms. However, those who did carry sidearms would have to go through a rigorous psychological and background evaluation. They would also obviously need to be proficient with a weapon and the safety of the weapon.
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You have outdated guns laws created to keep the English at bay, and the only reason their kept is so if you get invaded, areas the enemy capture are going to put up with partisans that have already been effectively armed and cause chaos behind the enemy lines, giving any US force levrage over the enemy.
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post Apr 18 2007, 02:59 AM
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Another reason why gun controls should be debated again in States
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