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The U. S. A. And Guns
Popogeejo
post Mar 23 2007, 12:11 PM
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I decided to bring a classic debate up here.
America and it's fixation with guns has always confused and interested me and I'd like to hear your opinions on the following subjects:
  • Why does the USA have such an affinity with guns?
  • Should guns be available to the American public?
  • Anything else that falls in the subject really.

and for Non-USA members:
  • Should police in your carry guns even if the public can't?
  • Should guns be available to the public and to what degree (e.g: Should it just be hunting riffles or would hand guns and such also be available?)
Note: If I read a certain reason for "Why America has such an affinity with guns" I will go off on a rant.


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post Mar 23 2007, 12:42 PM
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@Popo - Just for the clarification, are you talking just hand guns, or are you including rifles also?


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post Mar 23 2007, 01:36 PM
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Anything that can be defined as a "gun" From shot guns to revolvers to hunting rifles.


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post Mar 23 2007, 08:53 PM
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Well, it is part of our Constitution, 2nd Amendment actually. It doesn't fit exactly with modern day seeing as there is no longer a need for a militia because we have a formal military, but that doesn't fully negate the fact that it does say that "the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." And honestly, I have a hard time answering this question, because I don't think we have much more of an 'affinity' than many other nations, we just tend to blow things out of proportion here in the US.


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post Mar 23 2007, 09:19 PM
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Should police in your carry guns even if the public can't?
Yes. Using guns is the most efficient way to warn criminals to surrender.

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Should guns be available to the public and to what degree


I agree, but only limited to small caliber hand guns for protection/self defense. Shotguns and rifles should be restricted to military use. The enforcement should be strict too in giving out license and permits to own guns.
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post Mar 25 2007, 12:01 PM
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It would probably be safer if people were not allowed to own guns, but being as this is the USA, there would probably be a huge problem where people would b*tch about how their rights were being restricted, and the ones who shouldn't have guns would manage to get their hands on them anyway. Although given how many rights we seem to be willing to give up these days, maybe the first wouldn't be such a problem...
There's no problem with owning guns if you use them responsibly, but there are too many idiots oit there to expect that.
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post Mar 25 2007, 12:30 PM
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You can argue about the 2nd Amendment all you want, but the fact is that Gun control is a white elephant.
It sounds nice and utopian in theory, but there's no way for it to ever work like it's supposed to. And furthermore, banning private gun ownership won't solve the problem of violence in this country. It's a broad-reachng social disease that causes gun violence, and violence in society won't go away if you take away one type of implement.


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post Mar 26 2007, 02:27 PM
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Question: what restrictions are there on people owning guns in America? Obviously, there's some age-limit, but is it determined by any other factors?
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Given where we are now, gun control is not realistic. We're so used to being able to get them that even if they became illegal or more restricted, their availability will always outpace any regulation efforts.

In addition, many of the people who do the bad things with guns are usually the people who are not legally owning guns anyway (i.e. the current laws cannot curb the violence caused by guns).

what pisses me off is when outdated arguments about the 2nd amendment are used to justify the allowability of guns. Fact is that Americans can't do without the ability to make stupid choices and then blame the companies that sold us the merchandise for our own foolish actions.


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post Apr 6 2007, 06:24 PM
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There is a saying that goes "When guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns" This is true. Assult rifles are outlawed in CA yet people are still getting them and commiting crimes with them.

People act as if you get rid of all guns then crime and violence will stop, this of course is not true. If they don't have a gun they'll use a knife, if they don't have a knife they'll use a baseball bat, if they don't have a baseball bat they'll use a table lamp etc, etc, etc.

Guns themselves are not wrong what is wrong is peoples attitudes concerning guns. If the attitude was using guns for sport and protection wether than making someone look like a "man" and be a tough guy there would probably be less crime.

Like they said in the movie Friday. "Everybodys afraid to take a punch."
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post Apr 13 2007, 01:21 PM
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I read the title as the Ursa And Guns, so now I have a mental image of bears with guns.

That sounds like something either Gary Larson or Calvin would create.


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post Apr 16 2007, 08:27 PM
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In light of recent events (VT shooting), some sort of new gun control policy needs to be enforced.
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post Apr 16 2007, 08:34 PM
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QUOTE(Scythoro @ Apr 17 2007, 04:27 AM) [snapback]531387[/snapback]
In light of recent events (VT shooting), some sort of new gun control policy needs to be enforced.

Yay for hind sight!
Honestly I'm amazed it took 30+ people to be gunned down in a single spree for you to think this.


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post Apr 16 2007, 08:54 PM
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Seeing these photos just makes me feel very bad

http://www.reuters.com/resources/r/?m=02&a...09010&w=192

http://www.reuters.com/resources/r/?m=02&a...09011&w=450

http://www.reuters.com/resources/r/?m=02&a...08900&w=450

Seriously, a more stricter gun enforcement control in USA has to be taken as fast as possible. I don't care if the gunman went on rampage at Microsoft HQ but shooting innocent students are just so...stupid.
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post Apr 16 2007, 10:04 PM
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But the gunman apparently obtained his weapon[s] on the black market. Stricter gun control wouldn't have done a damn thing to stop this.


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