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Human Cloning
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post Feb 16 2007, 03:59 AM
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change the structure of certain cells... It can be done...too complicated to explain because I am not into genetic engineering... ^.^
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post Feb 16 2007, 04:04 AM
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But then that wouldn't be making an exact replica anymore....thats pretty much just another 'designer babies' idea.


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post Feb 16 2007, 04:09 AM
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as long as they still have the same systems that function like normal human being researches can be done on them. This is better than conducting research on mice for human's sake...
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post Feb 16 2007, 06:34 AM
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^ cloning humans for experimentation is better than using mice?


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post Feb 16 2007, 06:34 AM
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QUOTE(Stealth @ Feb 16 2007, 09:51 AM) [snapback]505827[/snapback]
Yeah right, as if any one would want to be tested on. They would clam that they should have rights like every one else and treated like every one else.
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There are plenty of scientific programs that use human volunteers to do research. By having genetically identical people you have a more accurate way to measure any changes.

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They can be far more useful then being used as a test subject.
Such as?
We could use them for labour, yes, but that's hardly requires genetically identical people so it's rather redundant.
They could have military applications I guess. Hitler wasn't the only one who wanted a race of super soldiers and it does have real merit even if it is morally dubious. However, because their personalities wouldn't be the same, such a force would only be as effective (roughly) as a "normal" army. (Maybe slightly better moral due to lack of racial and social divisions and a sense of belonging.) To make it worth the cost you would have to go into even more moral grey areas such as brain washing to get the most out of them.

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This is better than conducting research on mice for human's sake...

But using mice is a lot less expensive and experiments like brain alteration that you mentioned, are done on mice because the high risk factors.
Less dangerous medical tests would be fine for humans though. (Lets not get into the whole animal testing debate though, we have a thread for that already.)


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post Feb 16 2007, 06:58 AM
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QUOTE(Popogeejo @ Feb 16 2007, 09:34 PM) [snapback]505860[/snapback]
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This is better than conducting research on mice for human's sake...

But using mice is a lot less expensive and experiments like brain alteration that you mentioned, are done on mice because the high risk factors.
Less dangerous medical tests would be fine for humans though. (Lets not get into the whole animal testing debate though, we have a thread for that already.)


Which is why I doesn't elaborate that mice stuff... laugh.gif
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post Jun 16 2007, 04:56 PM
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cloning will not produce homunculi.

a clone still will be able to with hold memories and have regular emotions

cloning is just copying dna. the clone is just born artificially.
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post Sep 3 2007, 09:08 PM
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I hope you would have taken the answer to this question away from the show. Though cloning won't produce anything like a homunculus, I still don't believe humans have the right to create life.

Think of it this way: we don't have the right to destory a life, so what makes you think we can create one?
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post Sep 4 2007, 01:01 AM
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I guess this topic depends on your definition of a soul and whether or not you believe in its existence, but it doesn't matter- if the clone is biologically the same, I reckon they'll be no different to humans who are born "naturally".

I say human cloning is unnecessary because we simply don't need them. However, things that can crop up from human cloning, such as artificially "growing" arms/legs/whatever can be useful for the progress of medicine.


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post Sep 4 2007, 05:10 AM
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QUOTE(GREEDisGOOD @ Sep 4 2007, 05:08 AM) *
Think of it this way: we don't have the right to destory a life, so what makes you think we can create one?

Well isn't having a baby creating life? I don't see to many rules against that now.

If a human clone is made then as long as it's human rights are observed and met then I don't really see a problem. If people want to make clones for medical reasons like organ donation then they can easily follow void and Hito's idea of headless bodies that would never actually be alive which would lower a lot of the moral issues. That's a grey area though.


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If you ask me, even if a human or animal IS cloned, they still won't be exactly the same.
Did you hear about that lady whose cat died and was cloned? The cat had died of old age, but when it was cloned it came back as a kitten and had a sightly different personality.


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post Jan 2 2008, 09:26 AM
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QUOTE(Fujihakama @ Jan 2 2008, 04:57 AM) *
If you ask me, even if a human or animal IS cloned, they still won't be exactly the same.
Did you hear about that lady whose cat died and was cloned? The cat had died of old age, but when it was cloned it came back as a kitten and had a sightly different personality.

Cloning creates a creature GENETICALLY identical, personality is not set by ones genes. Note how identical twins can have different personalities.


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QUOTE(Popogeejo @ Jan 2 2008, 09:26 AM) *
QUOTE(Fujihakama @ Jan 2 2008, 04:57 AM) *
If you ask me, even if a human or animal IS cloned, they still won't be exactly the same.
Did you hear about that lady whose cat died and was cloned? The cat had died of old age, but when it was cloned it came back as a kitten and had a sightly different personality.

Cloning creates a creature GENETICALLY identical, personality is not set by ones genes. Note how identical twins can have different personalities.

True, true.


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Cloning debate...

I've read all I can on cloning, and here's what I've decided:

...Pointless. I don't see the point in cloning humans or animals when, in the words of science-fiction author Ray Bradbury...

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"Why would you clone people when you could go to bed with them and make a baby?"


Humans can already create life, so, why make a clone?


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Humans can already create life, so, why make a clone?

So clearly you haven't read much on cloning or you would have found several reasons.
With cloning techniques we can get Stem cells which would allow us to grow organs that would be far less likely rejected by the person receiving them.
Not all people can have children for a variety of reasons so cloning could allow them to have children that are genetically theirs.


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