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The 7 Sins (not Homunculi, Real Sins ^^) Discussions, Which one is the most dangerous/better/whatnot. Tell us your thoughts
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post Jan 2 2007, 05:48 PM
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QUOTE(Vash_the_Gunslinger @ Jan 2 2007, 06:46 PM) [snapback]490568[/snapback]
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I don't need a lesson about how the human race thrives. Thank you anyway.

It's not about you only, tenths may read these posts so I shouldn't treat this forum as only one is going to.


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post Jan 2 2007, 05:49 PM
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Fair enough.
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post Jan 22 2007, 06:32 PM
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I think greed, because you want something for yourself bad enough that you'll take it from other people. Think about it: WWI and WWII, the worst actrocities in human history, were results of greed.
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post Jan 22 2007, 06:42 PM
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Think about it: WWI and WWII, the worst actrocities in human history, were results of greed.

Care to explain that one?


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post Jan 24 2007, 05:30 PM
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Lust. Though some of this may fall under Envy.

There was a woman back in the Medieval(sp?) Times that killed countless beautiful women and drank and bathed in their blood because she wished for more beauty. Hundreds of women were lsain for this, she would rub the blood on her skin in a way we might use lotion today.

There were kings overthrown and killed by their wives.

You wish to be someone else, or wish to have something that you do not.




I can't say this would fall under greed, because that is more like.. hoarding things because you can, even though you have plenty.


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post Jan 27 2007, 02:40 AM
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QUOTE(GREEDisGOOD @ Jan 23 2007, 07:02 AM) [snapback]496582[/snapback]
Think about it: WWI and WWII, the worst actrocities in human history, were results of greed.


And a bit of Pride !
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post Jan 28 2007, 12:43 PM
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WWII was caused by greed?

I don't think so. If you look back at the reasons that Hitler decided to hate the Jews then I think it mainy is wrath.


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post Jan 28 2007, 01:10 PM
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QUOTE(Saxophonist @ Jan 28 2007, 07:43 PM) [snapback]498252[/snapback]
WWII was caused by greed?

I don't think so. If you look back at the reasons that Hitler decided to hate the Jews then I think it mainy is wrath.

His hate of the Jews didn't start WW2...

Please stop trying to make such events sound so simple, folks.


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post Jan 28 2007, 02:00 PM
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That's not really what I meant... unsure.gif

I just would like to know exactly how greed started World War II.


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post Jan 29 2007, 03:48 AM
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Greed is not the right sin to be applicable in the case of WW-II , but i think its more of Pride and Wrath that was the major cause.
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post Jan 29 2007, 04:05 AM
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QUOTE(Amol @ Jan 29 2007, 10:48 AM) [snapback]498471[/snapback]
Greed is not the right sin to be applicable in the case of WW-II , but i think its more of Pride and Wrath that was the major cause.

Please explain more in depth.


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post Jan 30 2007, 12:38 AM
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After the WW-I the consequences were not obviously in the favor of Germans.
The treaties that they were forced to sign were not in anyway showing concern about Gremany by the Allied nations !

Reasons For the growing Wrath :

1) Germany lost its overseas empire due to the war
2) Czechoslovakia, Estonia, Finland, Latvia and Yugoslavia were created, with the parts of Germany and its other allies.
3) Treaty of Versailles

Reason for Pride can mainly be the belive of the Germans to be a superior race.

These reasons made the everybody really unhappy and .....
Thus the main cause was Wrath and a bit of Pride.
These situations gave Rise personalities like to Adolf Hitler and the war too !
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Still haven't heard anything on WW1 but fine...

QUOTE(Amol @ Jan 30 2007, 07:38 AM) [snapback]498698[/snapback]
After the WW-I the consequences were not obviously in the favor of Germans.

That tends to be what happens when you loose a War. I'd point out that all in all Russia came out of the worse possibly worse off than Germany.

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Reasons For the growing Wrath :

1) Germany lost its overseas empire due to the war
2) Czechoslovakia, Estonia, Finland, Latvia and Yugoslavia were created, with the parts of Germany and its other allies.
3) Treaty of Versailles

Non of these resulted in a real feeling of Wrath, it was a more a feeling a betrayal. This, mixed with a new form of Government which couldn't achieve anything caused a feeling of resentment to the Weimar Government, who the majority of the people believed had surrendered to soon.
Even then, these events only made it slightly possible for extreme parties to gain power. The Wall street crash and following inflation also drove the people to look at the more extreme parties for help.

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Reason for Pride can mainly be the belive of the Germans to be a superior race.
Not necessarily true, Timmy. It wasn't until Hitler started his speeches that the Majority of Germans took on the super race Ethos.

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These situations gave Rise personalities like to Adolf Hitler and the war too !

No they didn't! The situations you named were not the major factors for Hitler's rise to power. The Stock market crash, Article 48, the death of Hindenburg and the Reichstag fire had more effect on getting Hitler into power.
These events let Hitler have all Communist parties banned (the fire was believed to be started by a communist although these days it's now heavily doubted), the market crash sent people looking to stronger leadership in the extreme left and right, Article 48 allowed someone in Hitler's position to pass laws without a vote in times of emergency and the death of Hindenburg made the Gov. declare the needed state of emergency allowing Hitler to pass any law he wanted making him effectively a dictator. There was also the use of the SA and the Night of Long Knives which both allowed Hitler to take power and further cement it.

Such events can't be so easily defined as Greed, Wrath or Pride. There were huge amounts of factors to rule in. You can't try and put WW2 down to such simple things.

(I took WW2 history 2 years ago and have forgotten large amounts of it, please point out any major factual mistakes I made.)


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post Feb 1 2007, 08:35 PM
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Greed because Greed will eventually lead into 5 more sins. When someone is greedy they will Lust for everything that matters being it material or non material. The lust will eventually grew to another sin which is Envy...because someone will envy others that others has the thing that he doesn't have. Envy will eventually grew to a Wrath to achieve something someone greed for and that will brings pain and misery to people, which is Sloth... Someone who is greedy will lust for Pride too because there is no evil villains that doesn't want to become famous.

Gluttony? haha..thats for Bulemia patients!
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post Feb 2 2007, 11:13 PM
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Why would you lust for pride? Usually, pride is self-determination. Maybe if your lustfully prideful.
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