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Age Restrictions, do they help?
Chiyo
post Nov 4 2006, 04:59 PM
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It would take me forever to list all the countries, what they age limit and what those ages are so I will use a few examples from my land.

Cigarrettes: you must be 16 or over to purchase them. I know first hand this does not stop underage smokers who easily enlist those of the right age to buy their fags for them. I was asked on several occasions to buy fags for underage kids.

Alcohol: 18, and I think this is about right although again it does little to stop those who want it getting it.

Sex: 16, but with 12 year olds at it on a regular basis the age limit clearly means nothing to them. I think this is down to their parents educating them (not the schools, because if your parents admit they were doing it at 13 no matter what school says they will follow the parents)

Fireworks: 18 (I believe) and I use this as its our oh so wonderful November 5th weekend is upon us here in the UK. I must have heard over 100 fireworks tonight, and it will only get worse. By Monday I'm sure there will be horror stories of how a teenager blew his face off playing with fireworks. This can be controlled far more than it is, but this will take more than age.

What about your country, its ages and its restrictions? Do you think they wor or do they need to be changed? Should they be abolished altogether?


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post Nov 4 2006, 05:10 PM
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Sex: 16


Yet we have to be 18 to view porn...


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post Nov 4 2006, 06:12 PM
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Cigarettes: 18 . Doesn't stop anyone underaged from getting them.

Alcohol: 21. Again, doesn't stop 'em. What's silly is at 18 you're old enough to die for your country, but still too young to have a nice drink before you die. Hah.

Sex: 18. Doesn't stop anyone. Though to be fair, it's just the age of consent. There's nothing saying you can't have sex with someone else under 18.

Fireworks: 18. I'm sure that doesn't stop anyone.

On a side note, what's happening November 5th weekend?


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post Nov 4 2006, 06:17 PM
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On a side note, what's happening November 5th weekend?


Guy Fawkes day.
He tried to blow up Parliament when all the big wigs of the country were there.
He was caught and most of the co-conspirators were hung or treason.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunpowder_Plot


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post Nov 4 2006, 08:39 PM
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So, where I'm at:

Alcohol: 18. People as young as 12 drink anyway. It's rather sad.

Cigarettes and/or Tobacco: 18. People as young as 13 get people to buy them for them anyway. It's sickening.

Sex: 18. See deshi's comment.

Fireworks: I thought they were illegal where I am, but I'm not sure and I'm too lazy to find out.

In my opinion, age restrictions only act as an indicator as to when things are more "moral" or "reasonable", but does almost next to nothing if they aren't enforced, and I feel that there needs to be stricter enforcement.


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Booze; 21.
People around here usually cave in by 17.

Sex; I didn't know it was illegal by age.
I don't suppose it's recommended to those under 18.

Cigarettes; 18.

This is from memory, so I can't assure you I'm correct.
Alchol might be younger...
I think it is in Quebec.

Someone was plotting on a school shootout in my high school.
Everyone was freaked out, especially when the guy got locked up and his friends threatened to come back and finish the job.
I personally didn't care, but the other students were flipping out.
I mean, come on, it was a freakin' grade nine talking smack with his friends.
Jeez.
They shouldn't have been able to get a gun anyway.
Which brings me to, I'm pretty sure it's 18 to possess weapondry.
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post Nov 4 2006, 11:49 PM
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It's kind of dumb that just about everything is legal at eighteen except for alcohol. It should be equalized.

Oh, and Ailuro- I've heard somewhere that the drinking age can be given exception for members of the army, but only in certain occasions, while on duty, or somesuch.

Age of consent varies from state to state. I'm fairly certain it's sixteen around these parts, but with restrictions.
Personally- I'm all for the (supposed) founding concept of such regulations, but there are so many flaws in such age restrictions, all around really. If drinking age is set in place to protect people from harmful behavior, then who's to say that any and every given person above the age of 21 will be more responsible if given alcohol? Or sex for that matter? Age of consent protects children, and that is definitely something that needs to be enforced, but then when you get to teenagers who are mostly hormonal children anyway, it becomes gray. Teenagers have always and will always experiment and they won't always ask for birth dates when they make their ritual idiotic decisions at parties/on dates/in backseats. The law doesn't seem to pay mind to this however, unless the parents raise a stink, and then it gets ugly.

The point where it gets asinine is when the law becomes so rigid and technical that we get cases, like the eighteen year old boy who recieved oral sex from a fifteen year old girl at a party and was sentenced ten years in jail for 'statutory rape'. Now, even if one does not give approval to such an encounter, certainly they can't argue that such laws were put in place to jail kids for technicalities like that.
I've spectated on this point in such a debate before, and it was argued that the law should protect 'children' from being sexually harmed (afformentioned case in point) and that it can't be known that the girl did not experience mental emotional or spiritual harm. I'm pretty sure that such a viewpoint wouldn't hold water in most legal situations, but it puts into perspective the views that may have founded the restrictions- and brings the logic to light all across the table. Well, supposing she was emotionally unprepared for a sexual encounter, would it have been any better one year later? Is the law meant to prevent young adults from emotional damage due to the decisions they make? In that case, why don't we have legislation on sexual encounters of all ages of participants, and set up the law so only people intellectually and emotionally ready take part in sex are allowed to. That'll keep plenty of our population from breeding well into their thirties. Heck, apply that to the smoking and drinking laws. How do we know the 22 year old is any less dangerous when drunk? How do we know the 19 year old is any more capable of making an informed decision to buy those cigarettes? Can we really put a blanket age on maturity?

Ugh. It's late. I'll probably forgot I wrote this in the morning and it won't make any sense.


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post Nov 5 2006, 07:42 PM
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Cigarettes: 18 not that it stops anyone if they want one.

Alcohol: 21; I know a 15 year old who gets drunk regularly, with no apparent regard for said law. I think people in the military are allowed to drink alcohol though.

Sex: 16 is the age of consent, although that is also generally completely ignored. I know people who had sex under the age of 16, some with people much older than they were. No one seemed to have a problem with that.

Fireworks: illegal where I live, as far as I know... Not that a few people don't set them off anyway.

Firearms: I don't know how old you have to be to own them, but I know a 16 year old who has an NRA liscense.

And so according to what I've seen age restrictions don't do very much good at all. As Quistis said, they don't do anything when not enforced. I do think that some age restrictions are a good idea, if only because of the bad effect some things can have on growing children, but the ones we have obviously don't work...
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post Nov 6 2006, 07:42 AM
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QUOTE(Popogeejo @ Nov 5 2006, 12:10 AM) [snapback]469959[/snapback]
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Sex: 16


Yet we have to be 18 to view porn...


I always wondered that... ><

As living in same place as Chi I have the same restrictions and pretty much the same views of them.


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By and by, i think people are generally going to do what they want. And that is the way it usually happens. Unless the 'group in power' making the laws upholds them in such a way as the detur thoes who would break them.

And another thing i live near a indian reservation, and they could care less what age you are. As long as you have money; you can have it!

i didnt know about the sex=16 huh.gif


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post Nov 10 2006, 02:07 PM
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Well.. here in Portugal..

Sex: 18
Cigarettes: 16, but I don't see that nowhere. So, basically, you smoke when and if you want. I also saw multiple times kids buying cigarettes and no one says a thing.
Alcohol: 16. I think it's a shame and still I keep seeying drunk fiends. And thei're 13 and 14.
Fireworks: I don't know, no one talks about it here!! huh.gif

So, as we can all see, this sucks.


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Alcohol: 18
- it's rather sad that there are sometimes people younger than 13 who already drink this stuff..

Cigarette: 18
- some kids who are just 8 years old use this stuff already!!

Sex: 18
- even 13 year olds do this already as reported by my teacher to my class, she said that even a pre-schooler due to the influence of the older brother ( in another country ) asked his classmate if she wanted to try it!

so sometimes age restrictions aren't really that helpful if nobody will follow them at all.


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I met a couple of girls today that made me loathe the age of consent laws in this country. I didn't even know how old they were, but I could tell they were in high school, and I CAN'T EVEN TAKE THAT FUCKING RISK! GODDAMMIT!


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calm yourself my good sir. It does a man no good to be in jail.

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QUOTE(phoenix dying @ Nov 11 2006, 08:07 PM) [snapback]472427[/snapback]
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