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Philosophy And Anime, Which shows have got you thinking?
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post Oct 17 2006, 09:49 PM
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blink.gif (so weird that actually someone took iseriosly, the T&J stuff...) I am still sure that I can find better philosophical ideas in anime and manga, than in any other kind of animation.


Well the thing there is that the majority of regular animation is simply filler for the masses. Like tom n jerry, obviously it's there for comedic entertainement purposes only, although if one tried I'm sure we could find some philosophy(perhaps mans constant struggle (as The cat) to conquer and become the master of the life around him (the mouse) which is always clever and unexpected, and will always triumph, because the window through which one must try is so small and evasive that it seems almost impossible. . . ) maybe who knows . . . .

Whereas I find it's the underground anime and poetry and art in general that will carry the most resounding meaning. In most times it's worth the search to find it like I can't believe what I would be withtout having discovered FMA that fateful friday night. It has indeed enrivhed my thoughts towards humanity in general, and has on more then one occasion caused me to question my own being, and my ideals. And I haven't finished watching it yet smile.gif

And I'll be sure to look into some of the names you guys dropped, I'm they promise to be just as insightful.


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post Oct 17 2006, 09:53 PM
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Whereas I find it's the underground anime


there's underground anime?

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And I haven't finished watching it yet


The movie made me realise there is no God...or that if there is, he (or she) didn't favour the film.


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post Nov 4 2006, 08:56 PM
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Full Metal Alchemist.
;-; How predictable.
But really.
It is that sort of anime;
Both the manga and anime brings up concepts like alternate realities, the undead, the concept of god and much mroe things to test your brains at.

Plus, I still think Ed suffers from the Napoleon complex.
But I'm not bringing that up again. >>
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post Nov 5 2006, 01:33 PM
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Plus, I still think Ed suffers from the Napoleon complex.


Psychology =/= philosophy


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I know. vv
That last thing was just unintentional spam.
It takes a philosophical mind to deal with physcology though, I suppose.

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post Jun 6 2007, 06:25 PM
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Well so far FMA has made me think the most. It goes into the themes of sin and its punishment. This is an offshoot of Equivalent Exchange, saying you do something wrong and you'll eventually pay.

Equivalent Exchange (EE), though the law itself is a theme throughout the show, brings up another, less noticed theme. The idea of science versus religion. Ed doesn't believe in religion. The only thing he truly believes in is EE- but that's only because he'd never seen it proven wrong.
But then it is proven that in some cases EE is void, or at least it takes affect in a way no human can understand. He has the choice to say that because the theory was proven wrong, it was thus void and useless. But, he instead decides to go against all the physical proof and simply continue to believe that it's true. This is what faith is, believing in something you can't prove truly exists.

But the most interesting topic covered by FMA was the arguement of what makes a human a human. Even after watching the show a bunch of times, I've still come to no definite answer, and I think that's how it's supposed to be. The homunculi are said not to be humans, and yet most of them act with more humanity than some of the actual human characters.
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post Jun 7 2007, 12:20 PM
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FMA definitely makes you think a lot. But I also prefer smaller, maybe less well known animes that seem to have deeper themes as well. For example, Haibane Renmei is short and quite slow-paced with no action or anything, but very thought-provoking. Also stuff like Serial Experiments Lain makes you think.


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post Jun 15 2007, 04:11 PM
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Samurai Champloo and FMA. I didn't think anything deep like all you guys, just.. i started researching about alchemy and
japanese history and stuff.

Oh and Paranoia Agent. Really weird-that anime is.
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post Jun 20 2007, 02:51 AM
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Tenjou Tenge. huh.gif Most definely Tenjou Tenge. Although it's sad that in the anime the philosophical aspekt is not shown as great as in the manga.

uhm... and Neon Genesis Evangelion.


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Tenoju Tenge and Full Metal Alchemist.


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post Jun 25 2007, 06:09 PM
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....apparently I should look up Tenjou Tenge, because I thought it was all about fight-scenes and girls in skimpy clothing rather then philosophical theorising. Unless it's somehow both.....No, wait, that's Elfen Lied. rolleyes.gif

For philosophical series, I'd suggest Paranoia Agent (though that's more of a psychological bent), and bits and pieces of Stand Alone Complex. Can't think any clearer at this hour. Glad I found the thread though.
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There are tons of phylosophical*i totally mispelled that* anime series out there... I have only seen a few though... that really makes me feel bad, considering that that is what I'm looking for in television...
-FMA
-Ergo Proxy, though I've only seen the first three on FUSE.
-MoB, a little bit.
-Tenjho Tenge seems to have fighting philosophy.
-Trinity Blood
I don't know any others.


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Ghost in the shell for me.
Particularly the first season, because it had so much in common with catcher in the rye
I had to read that book 3 times in high school...><
the book itself made an appearence in the last episode, or wasit the second to last?
The major had the "red hunting hat" on in the last episode. The laughing man might have had some common ground with Holden....


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Another one was Fma but for different reasons.
"to obtain something of equal value must be lost"
work hard at something and you will be rewarded somehow.
(of course that discussion Ed had with Dante comes to mind now that I mentioned it...) unsure.gif
it was something like:Dante: "On the day of the alchemy exam thousands of people tryed thier hardest, most of them had been studieing for years yet you were chosen. is it thier fault they didn't have your natural talent?...Some people are born rich and never have to work a day of their lives and then there are those you try all their lives and get nothing for it."

Having an A.D.D. moment, I can see some loose ties to the book The Jungle by Upton Sinclair. The repeating theme was if you work harder you will be paid more. though to the reverse, The main charicter worked as hard as he could and kept losing. alot. Till he joined something at towards the very end, which would eventually start up a labor union

still I think dante is wrong. at least I want to believe she is wrong...
work hard at something you'll be rewarded. even if it's not directly. even if it's eventually

The last episode of FMA Hohenhiem told Ed something similar. :
"all the time and effort you boys have put in. I think that was payment"


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