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Majahal Question In Episode 4, "When my attempts at human transmutation failed..."
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post Sep 19 2006, 04:54 PM
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<Edited to add "in episode 4" to the thread title to better describe the content of this thread. 02/21/07 ~Tombow>

So, I was just watching episode 4 again and I've come to the conclusion that it is by far my least favorite episode in the series. Majahal was a totally unnecessary side character and the whole "oops I bumped my head" explanation for what happened to Karin was utter crap.

But really, my reason for starting this thread was a question raised by what Majahal said to Ed (see topic description). Did Majahal actually attempt human transmutation? and if so... [spoiler] why isn't there a homunculus that looks like Karin? [/spoiler]

If anyone has an answer to this, that would be awesome! Otherwise, I guess it's just a contradiction I'll have to deal with.
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post Oct 10 2006, 06:27 AM
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QUOTE(juggalo @ Oct 10 2006, 04:49 AM) [snapback]457759[/snapback]

QUOTE(Amber_Alchemist @ Sep 23 2006, 11:33 AM) [snapback]450085[/snapback]

In the Human Transmutations we were able to see in the series, each person trying to bring someone back used apart of that particular dead person as material.

i think you need to do some re-watching. Ed and Al used the chemical makeup of a human body as opposed to the actual body of their mother.

Ed and Al used DNA, remember. Listen to what Edward said when he pricked his finger. The blood from them, which since their her sons, still counts as a part of her.

QUOTE(Nicoli Flamel @ Sep 27 2006, 09:31 AM) [snapback]452046[/snapback]

It all depends. In each Homunculi human transmutation people sacraficed something for the soul, so did Majahal sacrafice anything to get her soul back? Also, in each successful human transmutaion, the person who preformed it could use achemy without a transmutation circle.

I don't think there's ever been a sucessful human transmutation. Also as I recall neither Ed nor Izumi clapped prior to atempting the transmutation and thus gaining access to the gate and later their powers.

Majahal had to use a transmutation circles in order to preform alchemy. He never saw the gate. Besides, he was trying Soul Transmutation. He was just trying to retrieve Karin's soul. Majahal didn't have her remains either. In the Human Transmutations we were able to see in the series, each person trying to bring someone back used apart of that particular dead person as material. I think that's what Lust meant by, "So, he's nothing but a two bit alchemist after all.", because he didn't know how to use Human Transmutation.

Wait was Karin dead? *has to rewatch that episode*

All in all. I think this proves that he never preformed Human Transmutation, but Soul Transmutation and horribly at that. He never tried to transmute her body and soul at the same time. Using an alchemic solution for the body and something of hers like DNA or her remains for the soul. Thus, never actually using Human Transmutation. Then when those attempts failed, there was the kidnapping and the rest is history.

Isn't this basically what Shou tucker tried to atempt with Nina, minus the kidnapping?

I'm sorry. That was a mistake on my part. I meant after they used Human Transmutation they were able to preform alchemy without a transmutation circle. Anyway, I believe that even though no one has ever sucessfully brought someone back to life, making a Homunculus, whether by accident or not, is still considered as Human Transmutation.

No Karin wasn't dead. My point was is that Majahal could have probably still made a Homunculus, if he had used Human Transmutation properly. Even if he couldn't have made one, the gate would have still presented itself and he would be able to use alchemy without a transmutation circle. What I mean is, that Majahal just didn't know how to use Human Transmutation.

Yes, that's right. It's like what Sloth said about having to have a strong will to transmute a soul. I think that Tucker saw the gate and that's why he went mad. That is just what I got out of that moment, though. Tucker was just using soul transmutation and in the end, he either couldn't sacrafice apart of himself to bring her back out of cowardice or didn't know how to retrieve her soul.

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- His Name is Unknown   Majahal Question In Episode 4   Sep 19 2006, 04:54 PM
- - popogeejo   His method of bringing her back was diffrent. Same...   Sep 19 2006, 05:07 PM
|- - Tombow   QUOTE(popogeejo @ Sep 19 2006, 07:07 PM) ...   Sep 20 2006, 12:54 AM
- - His Name is Unknown   Ah - thanks for the insight. That's entirely ...   Sep 19 2006, 05:28 PM
- - sweety_pie   The reason the became like zombies was because Maj...   Sep 19 2006, 08:46 PM
|- - popogeejo   QUOTE(sweety_pie @ Sep 20 2006, 04:46 AM)...   Sep 20 2006, 06:17 AM
|- - His Name is Unknown   The only reason I asked was because the way the ep...   Sep 20 2006, 08:47 AM
- - Wrath.   Hey, Very, very interesting question. Now, Majah...   Sep 20 2006, 04:36 PM
- - sweety_pie   QUOTE(Wrath. @ Sep 20 2006, 06:36 PM) 448...   Sep 20 2006, 08:08 PM
- - Amber_Alchemist   I think there are spoilers down under, so be aware...   Sep 23 2006, 11:33 AM
|- - daylight   Lust said he was just a 2 - bit Alchemist because ...   Sep 26 2006, 11:02 PM
|- - juggalo   QUOTE(Amber_Alchemist @ Sep 23 2006, 11:3...   Oct 10 2006, 04:49 AM
- - Nicoli Flamel   QUOTEIt all depends. In each Homunculi human trans...   Sep 27 2006, 09:31 AM
|- - daylight   [quote name='Nicoli Flamel' date='Sep ...   Sep 27 2006, 11:10 AM
|- - Amber_Alchemist   I'm sorry I double posted. I edited my earlier...   Oct 10 2006, 06:55 AM
|- - Semiotic Alchemist   QUOTE Ed and Al used DNA, remember. Listen to what...   Oct 15 2006, 06:32 PM
- - juggalo   ed and al used drops of thir blood-yes they used p...   Oct 10 2006, 09:14 AM
- - Amber_Alchemist   QUOTE(juggalo @ Oct 10 2006, 09:14 AM) 45...   Oct 10 2006, 12:12 PM

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