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Death Penalty For Criminals, Agree or not?
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Popogeejo
post Dec 14 2006, 04:49 PM
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QUOTE(Amol @ Nov 28 2006, 11:50 AM) [snapback]478912[/snapback]
Oh The Deceitful Enchantress thats nice thinking there.
You somewhat mean TIT for TAT ehh !


So rapists should be raped? Arsonists should have their house set alight?
Tit for tat is a weak method of justice.

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I'll guarantee you that if you start nailing up people on crosses crime will go down!

Ah, sweet public execution. Lets get Iranian on their petty thieving asses. It'd reduce crime but mess up alot of people.

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post Dec 19 2006, 05:56 AM
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QUOTE(Popogeejo @ Dec 14 2006, 06:49 PM) [snapback]484560[/snapback]
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I'll guarantee you that if you start nailing up people on crosses crime will go down!

Ah, sweet public execution. Lets get Iranian on their petty thieving asses. It'd reduce crime but mess up alot of people.


Yea...but just think how much fun that would be!


QUOTE(Popogeejo @ Dec 14 2006, 06:49 PM) [snapback]484560[/snapback]
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See, thats what you call over thinking a joke. Its dead to you now...


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post Dec 19 2006, 06:33 AM
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QUOTE(Popogeejo @ Dec 15 2006, 05:19 AM) [snapback]484560[/snapback]
QUOTE(Amol @ Nov 28 2006, 11:50 AM) [snapback]478912[/snapback]
Oh The Deceitful Enchantress thats nice thinking there.
You somewhat mean TIT for TAT ehh !


So rapists should be raped? Arsonists should have their house set alight?
Tit for tat is a weak method of justice.




@popo No , i never said the fact about TIT for TAT, I think i put the exclamation mark wrong there. I was myself asking the person , if this type of a thing its right ! you can refer to post #123 on page 10 , i think, because i dont ever remember writing the lines - 'Oh The Deceitful Enchantress thats nice thinking there.'
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post Dec 19 2006, 12:43 PM
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QUOTE(phoenix dying @ Dec 19 2006, 12:56 PM) [snapback]486115[/snapback]
QUOTE(Popogeejo @ Dec 14 2006, 06:49 PM) [snapback]484560[/snapback]
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So what's Divorce or parenting?


See, thats what you call over thinking a joke. Its dead to you now...

It's not truly dead, I looked in it's eyes and there was still something going on in there.[/blatant spam]


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post Dec 20 2006, 09:05 AM
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Do I agree with the Death penalty?

No. To kill people for their crimes makes the justice system no better then the criminals themselves. Not to mention the cases where a person who is innocent or mentally incapable might end up on death row.
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post Dec 20 2006, 03:51 PM
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Well, I agree with Popo and Phoenix wholeheartedly. They go too far, though- why only one crucifixion a week? How about one a day? You too are far too lenient.

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post Dec 20 2006, 05:36 PM
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QUOTE(MonsterEnvy @ Dec 20 2006, 05:51 PM) [snapback]486586[/snapback]
Well, I agree with Popo and Phoenix wholeheartedly. They go too far, though- why only one crucifixion a week? How about one a day? You too are far too lenient.


I think after a while you would start running out of people to crucify mellow.gif But...just think of the fun we would have doing it!


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post Dec 21 2006, 05:58 PM
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QUOTE(MonsterEnvy @ Dec 20 2006, 10:51 PM) [snapback]486586[/snapback]
Well, I agree with Popo and Phoenix wholeheartedly. They go too far, though- why only one crucifixion a week? How about one a day? You too are far too lenient.

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Please, don't take them seriously.


Eh, I figured I'd be better off answering the original question out-right. Trawling this thread to figure out when crucifixion came into it would just be me asking for trouble - I'd either go manically morbid on the idea, or get into uber-serious mode.
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post Dec 21 2006, 06:01 PM
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I can see where everyone else here is coming from, and I guess that if I was in the position of someone who's family member was killed by someone on death row I might feel diferently, but I disagree with the death penalty. Personally, I think I lifetime in jail would be worse than being killed, especially because often the people convicted are old enough to possibly not even come out of jail alive. Also, for the people who do egt out after the 25+ years (which is about typical of someone who was considered for death row) they would have a cose to zero chance of getting a good job and living happily anyway.

Also, I don't say no to the death penalty out of sympathy for the people sentenced to death, although I do beleive that most times we cannot be 100% sure that we are convicting the correct person. At least if they are in jail, they have a chance to be proven innocent, if they truely are. Along with that, I think that by killing a killer we are just as bad as them. I know that the methods of death are far more merciful than the killers allow their victims, but nt always. Just recently, there was a man who was suppposed to be killed via lethal injection, but for whatever reason, they had trouble injecting the full does and getting the needle in properly. This caused the man to become half paralyzed and the part that wasn't paralyzed was in horrific pain. Like I said, I don't feel any aympathy for killers, but I don't want decent citizens to become tortures and murderers.

Also, this is almost like going back to less advanced times. One could even say that it goes back to ancient times, of say, Draco. "An eye for an eye". Wasn't it abolished for being too harsh? Isn't that why we call cruel, hrash laws draconian? So why sould we degrate our society even more by reversing the legal advances we have made?


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post Dec 21 2006, 06:07 PM
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Erm.

I think that if they did the crime, they should do the time.
But that shouldn't call for death.
Once you die, you can never come back.
Is it so others learn from it?
Certainly, convicts can't learn from dying, because once it's all over,
it's all over.
Or, could it be simply to rid the world of our little imperfections?

No, if they're going around lopping off people's heads like there is no tommorow and you know they'll do it again, by all means, end their life.
But if they don't want to die, give them another chance.
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QUOTE(Funderful @ Dec 21 2006, 06:07 PM) [snapback]487003[/snapback]
Erm.

I think that if they did the crime, they should do the time.
But that shouldn't call for death.
Once you die, you can never come back.
Is it so others learn from it?
Certainly, convicts can't learn from dying, because once it's all over,
it's all over.
Or, could it be simply to rid the world of our little imperfections?

No, if they're going around lopping off people's heads like there is no tommorow and you know they'll do it again, by all means, end their life.
But if they don't want to die, give them another chance.

Two questions:

1) Which side were you taking there, or were you taking both? huh.gif
2) Has there ever been a criminal who actually did asked for death and not a second chance?

I'm not trying to be mean, I'm just curious. smile.gif


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post Jan 2 2007, 11:41 PM
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Just thought I would share an exchange between me and Demon X on Saddam's death. Young Mr. X had basically asked why I didn't approve of Saddam's death. I replied with the three reasons you see quoted. The rest went from there...
I just thought this would add some talking points to the debate as a whole.

QUOTE(Popo)
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1) It's probably going to enrage those still loyal to him,

yeah but something had to be done to him.

Arrest him and hold him in Geneva. A totally neutral place where no one can claim it's politics. He gets locked up safely with very, very little chance of anyone ever trying to break him out.

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2) It won't undo his crimes,

yes but he'll pay for them thats why there is courts.

So his life is equal to the lives of all those he killed? Sorry but no. It should be slave labour for him, with an explosive collar so if he tries to escape he will then be killed. That way he will have to help those he wronged or die. much better than killing him outright.

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3) By killing hi we've sunk to his level

but I believed that was justice?

Maybe it is. I don't know but I feel justice is more than an eye for an eye (especially when the "Just" don't get the whole eye, so to speak.)
He killed people for reasons he believed were right. We killed him for reasons we believed were right.
If we had spared him, locked him up for life and forced him to to work on fixing Iraq via Slave labour we would have avoided upsetting the Sunni's (well pissed them off less than normal) at least, given out proper justice and showed we are tough on Dictators still.

We can't kill hapless people while saying we are morally right.

You might want to copy this into the Death penalty debate. I'm sure you would find there are allot of conflicting opinions on this all of which could be right.


Feel free to rip this to shreds now or completely ignore it, Just thought I'd put it out there...


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post Jan 3 2007, 06:59 PM
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I thought that killing Saddam was incredibly stupid. Now he is a martyr(if you want to put it that way) for his cause. It may be another influence for more fighting. I didn't like the things he did, but killing him can mean that what he did can still happen.
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