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Episode 58: Sacrifices - Content Discussion Thread, Warning, possible spoilers for the first 58 episodes
Chiyo
post May 22 2010, 12:12 PM
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Talk-back/content discussion for English dubbed episode on Adult Swim starts on page 4. smile.gif


Please post the discussions on the content of episode 58 here.
This thread is declared as a Spoiler zone for the content of the first 58 episodes.

Please don't ask for links on where to watch this episode, raw or subbed. Discussions on 'where to watch' belong in Where/How to Watch FMA Series 2. Don't post screencaps unless highlighting something important about the content of the episode. Just like on in most area's of the board, avoid one line posts, spam of any kind or conversations between two members.

Screenshots: see Michiyo's post.

Summary: Edward finds himself going through the same experience he had when he saw the Gate of Truth as the gold-toothed doctor's array is activated. Greed and Wrath fight fiercely, until they end up hanging from a high spot. Ranfan grabs Greed's hand. Briggs soldiers shoot Bradley and he drops into the water below. Helped up by Ranfan, Ling is devestated that Fu is already dead. Central soldier open fire on him. Ling lets Greed come out in full-force by a dying Buccaneer's request and takes on Central soldiers. Buccaneer dies with a smile on his face. Olivier is informed of the status at the front gate of Central HQ, and decides to continue down the stairs into the basement. In the depths of Central, Edward and Izumi materialize in Father's lair, where he has disabled Hohenheim. Father is disappointed that a fifth sacrifice has yet to be prepared. The gold-toothed doctor has Riza Hawkeye seriously injured in hopes Roy will peform a human transmutation, and he seems to give in. - © Penguintruth, taken with permission from his blog.

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post May 23 2010, 01:26 AM
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-That filler Central soldier finally did something! He, er, got past the machine guns, to be the one to shoot Greed.
-Changes to the full armor Greed scene were expected.
-Aw, bye Buccaneer.
-OMG! This ep is already more awesome than 57, but did anyone else catch Dante's cameo?! Haha!
-Eyecatches this time are cool. Buccaneer and Briggs soldiers waving him off. But err, was that blood I saw on Riza's eyecatch? Way to spoil.
-Wow. That new music track is pretty creepy.
-Heh, sneaky sneaky cutting out a few action panels as Goldtooth talks.
-Alright cliffhanger, was expecting them to end around there.
-Gah, I liked that they cut the few panels of Bradley looking into the underwater tunnel, but they spoiled him returning in the preview.


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post May 23 2010, 01:30 AM
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- Quick start of the episode. Keyhole’s lagging is awful.
- And Bradley goes down.
- I feel sorry for Ling and Ran Fan. And this music was used when Hughes died.
- And here comes Greed in full armor. Epic music for the awesome action scenes.
- Goodbye Buccaneer.
- Ed, Al and Izumi arrived to Father’s lair. Father looks very creepy with Hohenheim in his stomach. I hear new creepy music.
- Nooo Rizaa!!
Epic episode, awesome animation and excellent voice acting. I need to watch it again and again.
I want the next ep. now.


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post May 23 2010, 01:32 AM
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This was my first time watching it with Keyhole! Fun. But unfortunately, the suspense in this episode wasn't nearly as immense as the manga.. I was a bit disappointed with that, but still, I enjoyed it.

I liked the eyecatches too! The one with Riza wasn't a spoiler though.. she had blood on her already from her fight with Envy.


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post May 23 2010, 01:38 AM
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Aw man, this episode got keyholed for me....

First part of the Greed fight was a slide show fail (look at my epic punches...and another....and another)

Second part was a keyhole fail (seriously, I hear screaming, explosions, is that a truck? oh, scene's over...awesome dry.gif )

However, despite keyhole's antics, I did see a bazooka go off and apparently explode the entire tunnel up to Central HQ. If only Bones put the same effort into animating their characters as they do their explosions *sigh*

The cliffhanger occured in the expected place, but I did enjoy the intercutting between Riza's blood and the blood red philosopher's stone as Roy struggles with his desires. Animation for the end of the Fuhrer candidate fight looked good, but keyhole was just too finicky for me to really grasp what was happening.

...also, Dante cameo for the win! I was wondering if I just imagined that Vlyse, but since you caught it too, it must be so. That was pretty random; but still awesome. (wonder what she said?)

Honestly, the best part of this episode for me was watching the 2 second clip of the Fuhrer pick up his swords during the preview. Bradley's animation looked suitably detailed and fluid, which gives me hope that he will be getting the epic send-off he so richly deserves. Fingers crossed for a frenetic Bradley/Scar fight next episode. The pacing was actually pretty good; surprisingly slow, actually...it really makes me question how Bones is going to finish this in 63 episodes, especially if the rumored 150 page final chapter comes to fruition next month.

New track was suitable for Father's creepy eye room, but I wish they had saved some new music for these climactic action scenes. This is just personal preference, but as good as the animation was and in spite of the escalating drama of the last few episodes, the repetitious/reused tracks are really taking me out of the moment. When it comes to anime, I'm a real stickler for art quality and musical craftsmanship; the music is like half my enjoyment of a show, and Brotherhood is just not cutting it in this aspect.

Oh well, it was a good episode overall, and that preview has reeeeaaallllyyyyy got me looking forward to Bradley's fight. biggrin.gif
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post May 23 2010, 01:40 AM
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My initial thoughts:

- Bradley just doesn't quit!
- Buccaneer ;_;
- Well... this is new.
- ALL RIGHT, FULL GREED MODE! It's about time!
- Jeez, don't stretch out the poor guy's death so much! Let him have his peace!
- Poor Sig! ;_;
- Jeez, General Santa is having it rough
- Oh, hey, Ed. You're a character in this show, right?
- Ahahaha, Truthy Father is so funny looking, especially with Hohenheim in him

I like that they got a bit creative with what Greed does.

Also, "Battle Scherzo" is probably the best track for this show.


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post May 23 2010, 01:42 AM
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I believe the next episode will have Masahiro Ando (sp?) working on it, who I think also did the Al vs Kimblee/Pride stuff back in episode 52. So that's kind of a guarantee the next episode will have great animation, but hopefully all the ones from now on will have it. smile.gif

Another thing I liked about this episode was how Funimation's official translation of the episode title cut out "Human" before "Sacrifices." Kinda makes it sound more serious business.

Next ep is....? Oh, no, it's the one.


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post May 23 2010, 02:49 AM
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Screenshots from Random Curiosity:
http://randomc.net/2010/05/23/fullmetal-al...brotherhood-58/


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post May 23 2010, 03:46 AM
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Flamez_Freak & _Jelly, since you might have missed my opening post about not spamming, I am just reminding you here too to not spam. I am happy for you to bring up Dante but do so as part of a more complete post than two or three words. Have removed your posts for this reason.

Thank-you.

Also, not that anyone has yet (I'm being cautious) DO NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT NEXT WEEKS EP. Though the majority of you know what is coming, there are those who don't, and it's not something we want to spoil is it? Think of the suspense!


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QUOTE (Chiyo @ May 23 2010, 08:46 PM) *
Flamez_Freak & _Jelly, since you might have missed my opening post about not spamming, I am just reminding you here too to not spam. I am happy for you to bring up Dante but do so as part of a more complete post than two or three words. Have removed your posts for this reason.


Oh, sorry =S Didnt know that was classified as spam.

But anyway, just watched it, well, no, I'm only half way through right now but I remember when there were stages in episodes where the art would be really inconsistent or just plain ugly. That dosnt seem to be happening anymore... at all. This episode so far has been well animated, no choppy scenes and the style is consistent. I dont usually keep up with art directors and who does which episode, but whoever did this one, I want to be their friend.

EDIT: LOOK AT ALL THAT BLOOD COMING OUT OF THAT TINY SLIT
I'M. GONNA. PUKE. Not really. But that's a lot.


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Great episode and good nodd to Dante.. For some reason, hearing from you guys about the Dante cameo, I was expecting young Dante which is Lyra but then I saw the elderly couple I was like, "ooohh thats right".

who knows, maybe we'll see cameo by the fake elrics, anime1 wrath and well no need for anime1 sloth due being Trisha's form lol.

Personally it be really cool to see Frank Archer cameo as just some random officer that Greedling takes out

One of the best episodes I seen and I love Greedling going berserk and just toying with the soldiers. Alias Buceeneer, farewell.
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QUOTE (_Jelly @ May 23 2010, 01:32 PM) *
LOOK AT ALL THAT BLOOD COMING OUT OF THAT TINY SLIT
I'M. GONNA. PUKE. Not really. But that's a lot.


Life is hard for a woman, huh.

Screenshots look good. Greed looks decent, but I still can't get over the colour they've made his shield. It should be darker, imo. Father is a crazy b*tch, that's for sure. Hilarious and creepy at the same time: http://randomc.net/image/Fullmetal%20Alche...0Large%2027.jpg. And really, Dante's in there? That's pretty neat.

Looking forward to watching this.


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QUOTE (Broken Chouchou @ May 23 2010, 08:04 AM) *
QUOTE (_Jelly @ May 23 2010, 01:32 PM) *
LOOK AT ALL THAT BLOOD COMING OUT OF THAT TINY SLIT
I'M. GONNA. PUKE. Not really. But that's a lot.


Life is hard for women, huh.


Such a classy joke. :p


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Oh yeah speaking of Greed, wasnt his shirt always sleeveless? In this is wasnt... at least he did us a favour and ripped them off himself. Mmm but I dont remember what colour his shield was in the previous anime, but I think it's fine now. If it were too dark, when watching, you wouldnt be able to tell what he's doing.

Oh and I want an anime1 Wrath cameo tongue.gif

QUOTE (penguintruth @ May 23 2010, 10:10 PM) *
QUOTE (Broken Chouchou @ May 23 2010, 08:04 AM) *
QUOTE (_Jelly @ May 23 2010, 01:32 PM) *
LOOK AT ALL THAT BLOOD COMING OUT OF THAT TINY SLIT
I'M. GONNA. PUKE. Not really. But that's a lot.


Life is hard for women, huh.


Such a classy joke. tongue.gif


Tell me about it, that's one heavy flow.

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biggrin.gif smile.gif mellow.gif huh.gif


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QUOTE (penguintruth @ May 23 2010, 02:10 PM) *
QUOTE (Broken Chouchou @ May 23 2010, 08:04 AM) *
QUOTE (_Jelly @ May 23 2010, 01:32 PM) *
LOOK AT ALL THAT BLOOD COMING OUT OF THAT TINY SLIT
I'M. GONNA. PUKE. Not really. But that's a lot.


Life is hard for women, huh.


Such a classy joke. tongue.gif


I changed it, so it would make more sense in relation to the episode... but you already quoted me. Darn it XP


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