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Episode 58: Sacrifices - Content Discussion Thread, Warning, possible spoilers for the first 58 episodes
Tian Ai
post May 23 2010, 05:34 AM
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Tell me about it, that's one heavy flow.

Oh my god, guys...

But yeah, that was a pretty ridiculous amount of blood to come out blink.gif

It wasn't a bad episode. Ling's voice acting was great.
But I think Roy's VA could have done a better job smile.gif
Probably because his facial expressions in the manga looked more devastated and contorted, too.

Yeah, the suspense in the manga was done much better (which has always been kind of ironic, that manga pulls it off better than anime blink.gif)
but still, a great episode. biggrin.gif


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post May 23 2010, 07:18 AM
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I expected much more for Riza-badly-injured scene animation. I know I will sound really sadic, but we didn't see Riza getting sliced, we saw the after, but not this: http://www.onemanga.com/Full_Metal_Alchemist/100/45/ or this http://www.onemanga.com/Full_Metal_Alchemist/100/46/ Page 45 is really incredible and Riza's facial expression on page 46 is just powerful, so I can't help but feel disappointed that we didn't get to see either of them.

But, I really love how they did the eye signal, with the philosopher stone and the blood. I did not expect the episode to end with this cliffanger, Roy simply agreeing, but it works perfectly.

And yeah, LOL at women's heavy flow jokes here!


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post May 23 2010, 08:10 AM
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I think the omission of the actual slit of Riza's throat was a censoring issue. Ever since I saw that in the manga I always wondered if they'd be able to even keep in the fact it happened at all, nevermind the actual throat slice. This is about as good as I could've expected them to deal with it.

Still, it certainly worked better as a cliffhanger, but I knew this episode would end on "Roy's decision" so they could cram some of 101 into the episode.

Anyway episode all around was mainly great though as usual I have a complaint or two. I don't agree with some of the music choices, there were far better tracks for Buccaneer's death for example (Requiem for the Brigadier General would've been good, instead of playing when Fu is acknolwedged dead). Also, the music for the scenes after Riza's throat being slit wasn't dramatic enough, they needed more "panic" in that scene. The feel of the scene music and voice acting wise should have been saying "This major character is going to bleed to death imminently". I didn't really feel that.

Other than that I don't have any problems. Most of Greedling's scenes were great and Ling's voice acting hit the mark especially. The Father and crew scenes were also done fairly well...although I admit actually I'd prefer if Father's eyes were less static. They change position in the manga so I kind of imagined them as slow moving around him.
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post May 23 2010, 08:38 AM
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My thoughts:


I strongly believe that showing Rizas's throat bleeding instead of the whole process [the sword cutting the skin] was a good decision. When Roy figured out what happened, it was a real and irreversible situation that he couldn't stop. For me that's dramatic.
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post May 23 2010, 09:23 AM
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QUOTE (rzerox21xx @ May 23 2010, 06:40 AM) *
who knows, maybe we'll see cameo by the fake elrics, anime1 wrath and well no need for anime1 sloth due being Trisha's form lol.

Forget them, I just want to see Clara again!

QUOTE (rzerox21xx @ May 23 2010, 06:40 AM) *
Personally it be really cool to see Frank Archer cameo as just some random officer that Greedling takes out

Some people thought Storch was supposed to be Archer...
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post May 23 2010, 10:18 AM
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Alright, I recently had a chance to view this episode in a more, um, reliable format wink.gif

A few further observations are in order:

1. I thought Ling's voice-actor did a great job with his dramatic scene and the directorial build-up to the full-on Greed mode was great. Despite the fact that we've heard it several times before, I actually enjoyed the musical selection for that moment; the slightly mournful, resigned flute solo went well with Buccaneer's last moments, adding to the sense that these characters might really die defending the main gate. Greed ling's agony, Buccaneer's slow demise, Falman and co. running out of ammo - it was a poignant scene.

2. Was that bit of Lan Fan's tears mingling with her blood in the manga? If it was, I certainly don't recall it, but it was a great touch nonetheless. Lan Fan's voice actress continues to do an incredible job with these dramatic scenes. The moment where she tells Ling that Fuu has died was heart wrenching.

3. Wow, brutal throw by Bradley - Fuu's sword stuck straight into that Briggs soldier's bone! If I recall the manga panel correctly, it was just a glancing blow - this version was far more graphic (odd considering the censoring Greed's fight endured...maybe because he's supposed to be a 'good guy' now?). Not that I'm complaining; if any character in this series earns his ultra-violence, it's Bradley. Like PenguinTruth commented earlier, that guy just doesn't give up!

I'm seriously considering making a compilation of all the instances of characters screaming BRAD-O-LEEEE in this new series. It's becoming his trademark. laugh.gif
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post May 23 2010, 10:29 AM
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I have seen excellence.
Holy crap. What an amazing episode.

I want to start by saying that this episode had sentimental value to me. This is where the manga was at when I started Fullmetal Alchemist. I started Fullmetal with it's first 2 chapters, but for whatever reasons, I went to brotherhood after reading those. Within a week I had caught up to Brotherhood (episode 33) and then I read the rest of the manga, up to chapter 101.
So to finaly see this chapter, animated like this. It's like I've come full-circle.

Okay, opinion time.
I rarely get teary-eyed when watching or doing anything. Lings amazing VA made me tear up. When he was calling out for someone to use his philosophers stone. I did get teary. It was an amazing performance.
Watching Greed kick central's butt and wipe them on the floor was so satisfying. I loved that they used the "epic music" for this scene. They really do only use that piece in the epic moments.
My complaint's with this episode was the lack of showing any fighting between Mustang, Scar, Hawkeye and the failed fuhrers. They only focused on the Doc's face. Made me kinda mad. But it's forgivable.
I didn't like that they didn't show Riza's eyes as her neck was being cut. I always liked that manga panel.
Mustangs screams didn't sound... legit enough for me. I know what his VA is capable of, and it didn't sound as powerful as it should have been I thought. (it was still excellent though)

It was an interesting part to end the episode.
And what's up with Bones and their previews? They ruined that Bradley makes an epic entrance.
(but holy mother did you see the last part of the preview) I was laughing in a sort of maniacal way with a big grin on my face. I'm so freaking excited for next week.


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post May 23 2010, 10:38 AM
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QUOTE (deet-tastic @ May 23 2010, 01:29 PM) *
It was an interesting part to end the episode.
And what's up with Bones and their previews? They ruined that Bradley makes an epic entrance.
(but holy mother did you see the last part of the preview) I was laughing in a sort of maniacal way with a big grin on my face. I'm so freaking excited for next week.


I know, right? Especially since Bones removed that manga panel of Bradley coming to his sense underwater and finding the drainage pipe escape route. Those who had no previous experience with Arakawa's version of the story might have actually thought Bradley met his end there (even though I wished the direction had made it seem a bit more final, but w/e).

...it seems to be the fate of the failed fuhrer candidates to be left in the scrapheap; first forsaken by their country, then by their maker, now even the animators are giving them the cold shoulder. At least we got to see one of them being all hardcore and slitting Riza's throat...oh... wait dry.gif
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post May 23 2010, 10:58 AM
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Well . I see that my previous post has been deleted . . Well , i don't mind . . Good enough
speaking about this episode , it has been awesome stuff . . . The animators have turned it around from the previous episode , and have done really well this time around . . . The episode was gripping . More kills , spills and chills . Kept me glued to my seat smile.gif the preview looks awesome as well . . Full thoughts about the episode after i watch a subbed version smile.gif


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post May 23 2010, 11:51 AM
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Really? I actually thought the last episode was better than this one. At least, the last one didn't have quite as much to live up to. The best part of this episode I thought was Greed's pwnage after the Bradley fight. Nice animation - you could tell Lin/Greed was legit pissed off, the explosions were cool, and it did surprisingly well for the time it deviated from the manga. Buccaneer's dying/death seemed a little dragged out - I would have rather they cut/moved some of his earlier talking and instead just focused on the last part. They kind of messed up the Riza scene - Roy only seemed about as concerned as he did when Havoc got impaled (still not bad, but it should be like he just had the holy grail stolen from him), and the art was a little wonky here as well. Overall not bad, but the manga handled this section better imo
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post May 23 2010, 12:37 PM
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^there's always hope that the English VA Travis Willinham will scream how the manga panel has him screaming.


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post May 23 2010, 01:45 PM
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I always thought of FMA brotherhood as a bit more realistic with the injuries it gives people. I mean, as realistic as you can get in an anime where you have alchemists running around everywhere. I mean, people in brotherhood tend to get scars over injuries that wouldn't give, say, Naruto a scar. Often times, they canNOT defy gravity, and best of all, they have a reasonable amount of blood loss. Unfortunately, I'm just gonna have to slap a big fat, "YEAH, RIGHT" on how much Riza bled and was still able to live, let alone talk. Most anime, at least ones that share the quality of darkness that FMA has, give their characters gallons and gallons of blood, and the amount wouldn't have really bothered me, seeing as it came out of the jugular, one of the fastest bleeding injuries you can get, had it not been for the fact that she was still alive. Just... no.

Later we see that after Mei closes her wound, she... didn't lose consciousness? She could stand upright? And I'm not entirely sure how much time passed between the chapter this episode protrays and chapter 107, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't even a day, and she seems pretty okay. I don't know, it's just... weird. At the blood drive at our school, we had students fainting after giving up ONE PINT of blood, so really? C'mon.


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post May 23 2010, 02:22 PM
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^I totally agree with you about Riza still somehow being alive. For such a big spurt of blood like that, it had to come from a pretty big artery... she'd have passed out within seconds.

QUOTE (His Name is Unknown @ May 23 2010, 06:18 PM) *
I'm seriously considering making a compilation of all the instances of characters screaming BRAD-O-LEEEE in this new series. It's becoming his trademark. laugh.gif


Omg please do. laugh.gif

-I thought Greed was awesome. It's probably the first time in ages where I've thought 'omg this is so cool' about him. I love his VA.
-Not nearly enough emotion in terms of animation and voice from Roy when Riza was injured... it was a lot more dramatic in the manga.

Those are my main thoughts, but all in all a very good episode. I want to see next week's episode so badly but at the same time I really don't. sad.gif
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-I'm not the only one who got little teary-eyed while watching this episode, right?
-Ling's VA did an amazing job during this episode. You could feel his emotion during the scene where he was calling out for a doctor who could use alchemy. It made me tear up. It really did.
-Did Ranfan's blood mix with her tears in the manga? Can't remember...
-Now Greed pwning the Central troops was great. You could see that Greedling was mad like crazy. I thought that "Battle Scherzo" fit very nicely in this scene.
-DANTE CAMEO (It's the old lady, just so you know)
-Buccaneer... ;_;
-Awesome eyecatches!
-In the manga, when Olivier heard about Buccaneer's death, she looked surprised and a little sad. Here, she just looks pissed off. I wonder why...
-Truth!Father looks weird with Hohenheim in his belly.
-Heyyy new creep music!
-Roy's VA can do a better job screaming than that. Come on now.
-Okay. How do you bleed that much without even passing out??? And being able to talk as well? Sure... I guess this calls for suspension of disbelief.
-Nice cliffhanger ending.
-Cool music for the preview. But why does the preview spoil Bradley's epic return?? WHY. And next episode is called "Lost Light" You know what's coming, manga-readers.


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post May 23 2010, 04:48 PM
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I'd like to point out the brilliant detail in Lanfans tear. When it mixed into the blood on Greeds cheek. It was legit.


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