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Chapter 107 "Regular" Discussion Thread For First Time Readers (and Others), No future chapter spoilers here, please. :)
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post May 24 2010, 08:21 PM
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I have not finished reading chapter 107 yet. T.T Has been crazy busy. >.< Will read it before the end of the month.


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Though I know I'll reread from chapter 1 once I read 108. ;w;

We are planning to do the re-reading of FMA manga on our board, starting form chapter 1 and probably going to read one chapter and have a little discussion each week, and tentatively scheduled to start in July. Will make an announcement thread shortly. ^^


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post May 24 2010, 10:37 PM
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QUOTE (Tombow @ May 24 2010, 08:21 PM) *
meantime, since this has been brought up...

We are planning to do the re-reading of FMA manga on our board, starting form chapter 1 and probably going to read one chapter and have a little discussion each week, and tentatively scheduled to start in July. Will make an announcement thread shortly. ^^


Thanks for the info on that. I'll be looking forward to it XD


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post May 25 2010, 09:39 AM
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That would be awesome!


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I thought I've seen a topic about the number of the FMA volumes here, but I guess I was wrong.

Anyway, I would like to share my doubts about chapter 108 having 150 pages. (You know, that rumour - i can't name it differently - amber1003 gave us few days ago).

Implying that a volume has fixed number of ~180 pages.

Looking up info on Wikipedia, chapters yet to be released are 104, 105, 106 and 107.

I added the number of pages of the first three and the number I got was 184 pages - so it would fit nicely into volume no. 26.

But, looking up pages of chapter 107 (69) and substracting it from the number of pages of a volume equals 111 pages, which is nowhere near 150.

That is, if they won't increase the number of pages of the last volume. However, from what I see, the volumes were even so far.

Besides, this chapter was said to have 80 pages. 69 isn't even near.

But at least, 111 doesn't sound too bad.


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post May 26 2010, 02:49 AM
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^ Yah I know it's just a rumor and am not holding my breath about it, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was 150 pages because there seems so much still to tie up, not only do we need some sort of finalie to this battle against father, but ed and als bodies need to be sorted out as whats going to happen to them, if there are to be any more deaths they need to happen, and then there should be a tie up of what all the characters do, for me I'd like that to include things like WInry crying her tears of joy, Al eating apple pie, there house getting rebuilt? New brotherhood op suggests that, what happens about Roy and his desire to become fuher, Scars name, what happens about Greeling, the likely departure of the xingese characters back to xing etc etc, there are so many characters and I think all their endings need to be tied up for a fufilling ending, personally I think all that stuff needs to be in an epilogue xD but my point is, I have my doubts that the story can be tied up well in a normal length chapter, (not that I have any doubts in arakawa-sensei!) and since this is fma's finali I don't think it would hurt to have something special, maybe it might be a fatter volume then normal?

Edit-I'd also like to know how the hell Father was created in the first place XD I'm sad there might not be a chance to explain now ;____;


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QUOTE (Tombow @ May 25 2010, 04:21 AM) *
We are planning to do the re-reading of FMA manga on our board, starting form chapter 1 and probably going to read one chapter and have a little discussion each week, and tentatively scheduled to start in July. Will make an announcement thread shortly. ^^


I think that's a great idea! It might help us through the withdrawal. wink.gif


Like someone said before, I don't think there will be 150 pages next chapter, but it has to be in the hundreds somewhere.
Gosh, I'm so nervous about it... anyone else? I don't know why I'm nervous.
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post May 26 2010, 05:35 AM
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^ I really am. I'm nervous that without 150 pages there's not gonna be enough room to cover everything I want covered. But the MUST HAVE's are:
-Ed gets his leg back.
-Al gets his body the heck outta there.
-Hohenheim dies. (It's a happy ending for him, guys. A happy ending.)
- Roy becomes Fuhrer. (And maybe gets his eyesight back, but I wouldn't be devastaded if he didn't.)
- Winry's reaction to their bodies back. (Tears of hapiness, earrings, apple pie included)
- There is at least one canonization of one my favorite couples.

And that's all I need! If the next chapter is as badass as this one, than I think we'll be fine.


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post May 26 2010, 09:22 AM
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QUOTE (Hagaren_4ever @ May 26 2010, 01:35 PM) *
^ I really am. I'm nervous that without 150 pages there's not gonna be enough room to cover everything I want covered. But the MUST HAVE's are:
-Ed gets his leg back.
-Al gets his body the heck outta there.
-Hohenheim dies. (It's a happy ending for him, guys. A happy ending.)
- Roy becomes Fuhrer. (And maybe gets his eyesight back, but I wouldn't be devastaded if he didn't.)
- Winry's reaction to their bodies back. (Tears of hapiness, earrings, apple pie included)
- There is at least one canonization of one my favorite couples.

And that's all I need! If the next chapter is as badass as this one, than I think we'll be fine.


*nod nod* if fma ends in the way id like an expect, id like it to include the following

-father battle ends
-al is retrieved
-ed's leg is retrieved
-other characters possibly also die
-roy becomes fuhrer (perhaps with eyesight?) royai scene? XD haha
-winry reaction-cries-al eats apple pie, would also liek to see ed cry since hes refused to do so all this time
-Greeling body sharing problem resolved
-Xing people go back to Xing (possibly with Al XD)
-Scar's name
-Ed/Al rebuild their house would be nice XD
-Other minor appearances from most of the other characters, Olivia/Armstrong/Izumi/ Grumman too since he had a bit of an ulteria motive
Aaaaand maybe Roy can buy Madam christmas a new bar? XD haha


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QUOTE (Forsaken Love @ May 26 2010, 07:22 PM) *
*nod nod* if fma ends in the way id like an expect, id like it to include the following

-father battle ends
-al is retrieved
-ed's leg is retrieved
-other characters possibly also die
-roy becomes fuhrer (perhaps with eyesight?) royai scene? XD haha
-winry reaction-cries-al eats apple pie, would also liek to see ed cry since hes refused to do so all this time
-Greeling body sharing problem resolved
-Xing people go back to Xing (possibly with Al XD)
-Scar's name
-Ed/Al rebuild their house would be nice XD
-Other minor appearances from most of the other characters, Olivia/Armstrong/Izumi/ Grumman too since he had a bit of an ulteria motive
Aaaaand maybe Roy can buy Madam christmas a new bar? XD haha


Agreed, pretty much everything this, but especially about Ed crying.
Honestly, I've always pictured a scene in my mind when they're taking a group picture after everyone's back together and fine, and then the camera flashes - Ed has tears running down on his cheeks, just like Hohenheim had in their old family picture. That would be kinda awesome ending for the story. (Like father, like son-kind of way biggrin.gif)

I'm still a bit undecisive whether Hohenheim should die or not, though. But whatever Arakawa decides to do with him, I'll gladly accept it. smile.gif

Oh, and since the page amount was also taken up.. Personally I wouldn't mind for 150 pages, heck, even 200 pages. There's just too much stuff to tie up, I'm also a little worried how 80+ pages could do all that without fast-forwarding too much.
Ah well. Two more weeks to go and see smile.gif
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QUOTE (Forsaken Love @ May 26 2010, 12:22 PM) *
QUOTE (Hagaren_4ever @ May 26 2010, 01:35 PM) *
^ I really am. I'm nervous that without 150 pages there's not gonna be enough room to cover everything I want covered. But the MUST HAVE's are:
-Ed gets his leg back.
-Al gets his body the heck outta there.
-Hohenheim dies. (It's a happy ending for him, guys. A happy ending.)
- Roy becomes Fuhrer. (And maybe gets his eyesight back, but I wouldn't be devastaded if he didn't.)
- Winry's reaction to their bodies back. (Tears of hapiness, earrings, apple pie included)
- There is at least one canonization of one my favorite couples.

And that's all I need! If the next chapter is as badass as this one, than I think we'll be fine.


*nod nod* if fma ends in the way id like an expect, id like it to include the following

-father battle ends
-al is retrieved
-ed's leg is retrieved
-other characters possibly also die
-roy becomes fuhrer (perhaps with eyesight?) royai scene? XD haha
-winry reaction-cries-al eats apple pie, would also liek to see ed cry since hes refused to do so all this time
-Greeling body sharing problem resolved
-Xing people go back to Xing (possibly with Al XD)
-Scar's name
-Ed/Al rebuild their house would be nice XD
-Other minor appearances from most of the other characters, Olivia/Armstrong/Izumi/ Grumman too since he had a bit of an ulteria motive
Aaaaand maybe Roy can buy Madam christmas a new bar? XD haha


Out of all of those, I am 100% positive that one of them will come true, and that's the reveal of Scar's name. Arakawa has stated that she has already come up with his name, and it will be revealed before the series is over.

But just the "highly probables" in my mind are like, "Well, IF this happens then THIS HAS to happen." For instance, if the brothers get their bodies back, Winry WILL cry tears of hapiness, and without apple pie and earrings being resolved it would leave the readers confused and disapointed, so I think the Winry ending we all want will happen. And if Winry and Ed are both alive in the end, then we all know they'll end up together. Maybe they won't officially say "I love you" to each other, but I mean, c'mon. We all know it would happen.

Also, I would LOVE to see Ed cry. Especially in the presense of Winry. That would be perfect. Totally not a fangirl. xD


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I'd love to see Ed cry at Hohenheim's death - and maybe call him 'father', which he hasn't done once in the series.

And I'd also like to see what Ed and Al will do with their lives after they get their bodies back. I remember them discussing how taking their bodies back is taking up their whole time, and that would leave a bit of a vacuum once the whole thing is over, esp. with the state alchemists being hopefully disbanded (I love the idea of Winry giving Ed a hard time for being unemployed).

I like the idea of him staying in the army too though:

Ed: Your Excellency, I am resigning from my post as State Alchemist.

Olivier: Wrong. You are being promoted to Lieutenant Colonel. Goodbye.

Ed: BUT -

Olivier: HAVE I MADE MYSELF UNDERSTOOD, FULLMETAL?

Ed: ......... yes, ma'am

Maybe they'll go to Xing to research the alchemy there? Unlikely, but we'll see.


I'd like to see Marcoh go back to his village.

I hope Scar doesn't end up in jail. As justified as it is, it just wouldn't be a fulfilling ending.

I wonder whether Ling will return to Xing with a subdued Greed, or whether the two will separate. When I saw Ed 'invade' Pride, the first thing I thought was that he would be able to separate Ling from Greed, maybe even leaving Greed alive, but from the way the manga's developed that might not be necessary.


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Hi guys, since this thread is for the discussion on the content of chapter 107, may I point out some other threads such as:

FMA Manga Ending - How's It All Going To End?

Tying Up Loose Ends Before FMA Story Ends: What unexplained part you'd like to see "resolved"?

Hope to see your posts on these threads! smile.gif


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Just wanted to add my overall thoughts on the contents of this chapter:

A pretty good chapter, but I had a few issues. One, if all Greed wanted was good friends the whole time, does that mean that's all Father wanted, since Greed is his greed? I mean, I found it a little annoying that is what Greed's true desire was the whole time, since he's already had good friends and still wanted the world. This sort of softens up too much for my tastes. I want him to still desire the world. That's part of his charm.

Second, the cliffhanger from last chapter ended up not really paying off, and you think I'd be used to that by this point, but it still irritated me. Nobody was seriously hurt by Father's blast. Incompacitated, yes, but not fatally wounded. And we still didn't quite get to what Father was really hoping to do with all this power.

I loved that Edward went right back into battle after Alphonse's sacrifice, screaming at Al for being an idiot. Time to grieve is a luxury Ed doesn't have here. I love the "third-rate fraud" callback, too.

Looks like things are not going well for Scar, and I wonder if he will die or get a happy ending.

I loved the interaction between Greed and Olivier. Can I pair them? I'm not really the shipping type, though.

The art was amazing in this chapter, though. Arakawa hasn't gotten lazy at all in the art department, and the story is still good enough for me to desire greatly to know how it all ends.


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Two things I noticed upon rereading this chapter:

1) Is it just me or did Al use Rentanjutsu to get his brother's arm back? Does it count if he already had the blades already set in? http://www.onemanga.com/Full_Metal_Alchemist/107/51/

2) Ed's spear has a small snake around it. http://www.onemanga.com/Full_Metal_Alchemist/107/64/ I guess that's just part of Ed's tendency to decorate his weapons with tacky gargoyles, but it also reminds me of the recurring symbol Flamel's Cross. Check it out on this thread: http://www.fullmetal-alchemist.com/forums/...st&p=603281



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I think I've found a comfirmed spoiler of chapter 108! >w< (from 2chan)
*they are even shouting that it came XD*


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