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FMA Manga Re-read It From The Beginning, Session 1, Chapter 2, (for Week Of July 11, 2010) Full Spoiler Warning!, "Ohhh, now I know," chapter 2 "Re-reading" discussions
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Welcome, everyone, to the week-1 of FMA manga Re-read it from beginning!" sessions!! happy.gif

Please post your discussions for "Re-rading FMA: Session for chapter 2 here



For the reading reference for this session, please send a PM to A Pierrot's Aria and ask for "Reading Reference Assistance for week 1."
(For more detailed explanation on this, please read my post here.)

(except: The Monkey Is God, Broken Chouchou, Causmicfire, & animegirl95, you guys are already set, and no need to do this. ^^)

Huge "thank you" goes to animegirl95 for "reference assistance" and Broken ChouChou for the transcripts, and also thank you, A Pierrot's Aria for all your help. ^^



This thread is geared for those who have read the whole FMA manga, including the final chapter (chapter 108) and may potentially contain spoilers from any of chapters 1- 108. Those who do not wish to see such spoilers, please do not go any further!

For those participants who are reading FMA manga FIRST TIME, hope to see your posts on our "regular" (i.e. non-re-reading) chapter 2 discussion thread (thread will be posted shortly ^^) smile.gif

For those who are re-reading this chapter, you are also welcome to join discussions on REGULAR (i.e. non-re-reading) chapter 2 discussion thread, (and you can also mention anything you discovered by re-reading chapter 1 that is related to the chapter 2 content on the regular chapter 2 discussion thread also!) AS LONG AS you do not post any spoiler content for chapters 3 - 108 chapters. Posting or mentioning of such spoiler contents, or even HINT of what to come in later chapters (such as "If you like seeing this, wait till you read chapter 45!" etc. etc) on REGULAR (i.e. non-re-reading) chapter 1 discussion thread is NOT ALLOWED, and any such content will be taken out by our moderators. However... (please read on)


For those who are re-reading this chapter, and find some info or revelations related to some later chapters and would like to discuss in more details about that future chapter content, you are very welcome to go to the chapter discussion thread of that chapter, and mention the information/revelation in chapter 2 and continue on with more extensive discussions about that future chapter content on that chapter discussion thread.

.....For example, say (some hypothetical situation ^^)...if you see some things you see in this chapter and you finally understand some stuff that was in chapter 67, and would like to add your newly discovered extensive analysis of something in that chapter, you are very welcome to go to regular chapter 67 discussion thread and add your post there with your newly discovered extensive analysis, and you can mention the connection to the content in chapter 2 there as well... smile.gif

(But, please keep in your mind that even in such case, you can not post spoilers from any later chapters...in this case posting spoiler content from chapters 68-108 on regular chapter 67 content discussion thread is NOT allowed. smile.gif )



This thread is declared as "Spoiler Party" thread for all of FMA manga chapters up to chapter 107. You can mention any contents in FMA manga chapters 1- 107 without the use of spoiler tags on this thread. In addition, participants can mention the content of chapter 108 on this thread However, please note that even in Japan some FMA fans still haven't had a chance to read FMA manga's final chapter (chapter 108) due to last month's YoungGanGan mag with FMA manga chapter 108 all sold out (and in a very short time) and waiting for the reprint of the FMA manga final chapter in next month's YoungGanGan magazine. Therefore, we ask you that if you post any content from chapter 108 (or even posting any HINT for chapter 108 content) in addition to the use of SPOILER tags, please give ample warning SPECIFICALLY stating that the the content under the spoiler cover is some spoiler content from FMA manga final chapter. smile.gif

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In short (Super short Synopsis): Ed exposes Cornello's fraud to people of Reole. Cornello gets eaten by Gluttony.

Real Synopsis (courtesy of Causmicfire ^^): A continuation of the confrontation with Cornello which leads to the uncovering of Ed's & Al's main motivation in the series. Ed and Al expose Cornello's true colors to the town, only to find out he doesn't have what they need. The brother's leave the town, a devastated Rosé not sure how to go on and the rest of the townsfolk demanding the truth from Cornello.

Chapter page length (using the "reference material" as the reference): 40

Color page included when printed as a chapter in GanGan mag (if any): 0


Characters in this chapter: (In order of the first appearance in the chapter)
Father Cornello
Edward Elric
Alphonse Elric
Rosé
Various Brothers/followers of the Leto religion
Reole townsfolk
Reole Food Stand Master
Reole Food Stand Regular Customers
Lust
Gluttony



This is the first time appearance in the series for this character: (In order of the first appearance in the chapter)
Lust
Gluttony



Locations in this chapter:
Reole(Leore)
Elric house (flashback)



FMA:Brotherhood anime episode reference (if any): Episode 3


Cameo appearance (if any):


Possible story inconsistency (if any):



New theories, philosophies, dogma, etc. introduced in this chapter (if any):



Memorable quote/dialogue/caption from this chapter (if any):

Ed (to Rosé): "Stand up and walk. Keep going forward. At least you have strong legs to take you there."

Ed: "All we wanted was just to see our mother's smile again."

"He made wings out of wax so he could fly, but when he got to close to the sun, to God, the wax melted and he crashed to the ground..." (also in the first chapter)



Character died in this chapter (if any): Cornello

Ed's Chibi (Who are you calling shrimp!) moment (if any):

"Al mistaken as Fullmetal" moment (if any): 0

"Inside Al's armor is empty" moment (if any): 0

Al carries something inside his armor moment (if any): 0

Al saves kitty moment (if any): 0

Ed refuses to drink milk moment (if any): 0

Ed or Alex rips his shirt, coat, etc. moment: 0

Winry's wrench is mighty! moment (if any): 0

Gluttony eats someone moment (if any): 2 (Chimera, p. 36, and Cornello, p. 40)

"Trade-mark Alchemy" shown (aside from Ed's Alchemy):

"Kitty Count" in this chapter, as reported by our official Kitty counter, Winry Chi (if any): 2 (possible kitties: 2)


Chimera appearance (if any):



Philosopher's Stone, fake Stone, inferior Stone appearance (if any): 1 (On Cornello's ring)


Alchemies/Alchemy circles used/introduced/shown in this chapter (whole or part) (if any):
To be added
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Transcripts for chapter 2: (Courtesy of Broken ChouChou)

CHAPTER 2: The Price of Life



Page 1:
Cornello: "… I see." "Now I understand who you are…"
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Cornello: "It was always a mystery to me why a mere brat had a fearsome alias like "Fullmetal"…"
SFX: KASHUNK
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Cornello: "But now I know…"
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Cornello: "Look at them, Rosé!" "Those two dared to do the one thing forbidden by alchemists… The unspeakable crime of HUMAN TRANSMUTATION!"


Page 2:
Cornello:"**THEY COMMITED THE WORST POSSIBLE SIN!"


Page 3:
Rosé: "…!" Reflecting: "He made himself wings out of wax so he could fly… But when he got too close to the sun… To God… The wax melted and he crashed to the ground…"


Page 4:
Ed: "Al!" "Al!" "Hey, Alphonse!"
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Al: "What is it, big brother?"
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Ed: "LOOK! We can't go wrong using this theory!"
Al: "No way, is this…?"
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Ed[: "IT IS! This says how to do it! WE CAN BRING MOM BACK FROM THE DEAD!"
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Al, narrating: "We never had any doubts about doing it."


Page 5:
Al, narrating: "Our mother was so kind, the kindest person in the world…" "All we wanted was to see our mothers smile again."
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Al, narrating: "Even if it meant breaking the laws of alchemy." "That was the only reason we were studying alchemy, after all…"
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Al, narrating: "But the resurrection failed."


Page 6:
Al, narrating: "When it failed, my brother lost his led leg…"
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Al, narrating: "… and I had my whole body "taken."" "I lost consciousness for a while…"
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Al, narrating: "The next thing I saw when I opened my eyes was this armor body and a sea of blood…"
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Ed: "Heh heh… Sorry." "All I could get for one arm was your soul…"
Al: "Brother… why?"


Page 7:
Al: "Even after the horrible injury of losing his left leg…" "My older brother exchanged his right arm for my soul… And put it in this suit of armor."
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Ed: "Heh…" "The two of us tried to resurrect one person and this is what happened…"
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Ed[: "This is what it takes to raise the dead, Rosé."
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Ed (bold): "Are you ready to make that sacrifice?!"
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SFX: FLINCH


Page 8:
Cornello: "Heh heh heh…. And you call yourself a State Alchemist!!" "Don't make me laugh!!"
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Ed: "Shut up! You're just a third-rate hack who can't do anything without that stone!"
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Cornello: "I see, I see…. So THAT'S why you want the Philosopher's Stone." "Good idea. If you used THIS, you might be able to transmute humans for REAL, eh?"
SFX: CHUCKLE
Ed: "Don't get the wrong idea, baldy! The reason we want the stone is to get our original bodies back."
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Ed: "Besides, we still don't know if it'll even be able to do THAT!"
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Al: "Father, I'll ask you again." "Give us the stone before you get hurt."


Page 9:
Cornello: "Heh heh… you fools are the ones who came too close to god and fell to earth…"
SFX: ZWAAAA
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Cornello: "If that's the case, then I'll make sure…"
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Cornello: "… To send you to god PERMANENTLY!"
SFX: KACHIK
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SFX: RAT-AT-AT-AT-AT-


Page 10:
Cornello: "*HA HA HA HA HA HA!"
SFX: RAT-AT-AT-AT-AT-AT-
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Cornello: "Huh…!?"
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Ed[: "Sorry, god doesn't like me very much…"
SFX: chik
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Ed: "Even if I went he'd probably chase me away!"
SFX: FSSSHH
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]Cornello: "Tch!!"


Page 11:
SFX: FWIP
Cornello: "!?"
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SFX: CHIK
Cornello: "Why you…"
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Rosé: "*EEYAAAAA!"
Al: "Ow ow ow!"
SFX: BING BING BING BING BING
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Ed: "Al! Let's get out of here!"
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Cornello: "Fools! The exit is rigged! Only I can open it from up here!"


Page 12:
Ed: "Oh, is that so!?"
SFX: SLAP
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SFX: BZAP
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SFX: TOOM
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Cornello: "**WHAAAT??!"


Page 13:
Ed: "*IF THERE'S NO DOOR, THEN I'LL MAKE ONE!"
SFX: SLAM
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Cornello: "Don't just stand there! Go after them!"
SFX: WHOOSH
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Cornello: "They are pagans who want to destroy our religion!!" "Get them!! Hurry!!"
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Guard 1: "There they are!"
Guard 2: "Hey you! Stop!"
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Guard 2: "Hey, you little runt, are you gonna take us all on empty handed?"
Guard 1: "Might as well give yourself up before you get hurt…"


Page 14:
SFX: TM TM TM TM
SFX: SMILE
SFX: SLAP
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Guards: "Huh?"
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SFX: KZZT
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SFX: SHABAM
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SFX: KRAK, WHAM, BAM
Guards: "Aaggh!!"
Guard: "Er… um… they're strong!" " Don't let your guard down just because he's a kid!"


Page 15:
Al: "'Scuse us."
SFX: BOOT
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SFX: DOMP
SFX: WHOOSH
Background, guard: "That's not fair…"
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Ed: "Huh?"
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Ed: "What's this?"
Rosé: "The broadcasting room. This is where Father Cornello delivers his sermons over the radio…"
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Ed: "**OH REALLY…"
Al: "Uh-oh. He's got a BAD idea…"


Page 16:
Man: "There's a lot of noise down there today isn't there…?"
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Man 2: "Hey, what are you doing? It's way past the time when you're supposed to be ringing the bell!"
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Man: "The bell…"
Man 2: "Huh?"
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Man: "The bell's gone."
Man 2: "Say WHAT?"
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Rosé: "About what you were saying before…" "I can't believe you have to do all that to perform alchemy…"
SFX: GONG
Al: "I told you, the foundation of alchemy is "equivalent exchange"."


Page 17:
Al: ""To obtain something, something of equal value must be lost"." "People call my brother a genius, but the reason he's so good at it is he paid the price… and worked so hard."
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Rosé: "But because you sacrificed so MUCH, you must have been able to bring back your mother…"
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Al: "*THE THING WE BROUGHT BACK WASN'T EVEN HUMAN ANYMORE."


Page 18:
Rosé: "……!!"
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Al: "NOOO! How did this happen?" "Big brother, your theory was flawless!!"
Ed: "Yeah, there weren't any mistakes in the theory…"
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Ed: "We were the ones…" "… Who made the mistake…"
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Al: "We've given up on transmuting humans, but my brother still wants to get me my original body." "I'd like to make my brother's body the way it was too."
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Al: "But like I said before, the risks are high…" "… So we might end up even worse, or lose our lives:" "That's the way things are in this business."


Page 19:
Al: "Rosé, that's why…" "… You can't choose this path."
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SFX: BAM!
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Cornello: "You little runt, you're not getting away!"
SFX: WHEEZE, WHEEZE, WHEEZE
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Ed: "Just give up, will you? News of your trickery will spread throughout town in no time anyway."
Cornello: "Shut up! Everyone within the church is under my direct control! They'd never believe a stupid follower if she contradicted me!"


Page 20:
Ed: "My, my. I feel sorry for those poor followers of yours."
Cornello: "Followers are just pawns for WAR! I don't have time to be sorry for mere PAWNS!"
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Cornello: "If I ask them to, they'll die happy and fulfilled, believing they did it for god!" "I'll mass-produce them! LIMITLESS fanatics, from the masses of idiots who can't even tell alchemy from miracles!"
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Cornello: "Did you think that you could stop my plans so easily!? You underestimated the power of blind faith!"
SFX: WA HA HA HA
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Ed: "Heh…"
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Ed: "*HA HA HA HA HA!"
SFX: TUNK
Cornello: What's so funny!!?"



Page 21:
Ed: "That's why I keep saying you're THIRD-RATE, baldy!"
SFX: HEE HEE
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Cornello: "You little brat! How dare you insult me!!"
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Ed: "*KNOW WHAT THIS IS?"
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Cornello: "You…"
SFX: BA-BUMP



Page 22:
Cornello: "You couldn't have…"
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Cornello: "**YOU LITTLE RAT!"



Page 23:
Cornello: "How long has that switch been on?!"
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Ed: "From the very beginning. You just exposed your entire plan."
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Cornello: "Wha… Wha… What?!"



Page 24:
Cornello: "You dumb brat…"
SFX: GRRRRRRRRR
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SFX: ZP ZP
Cornello (bold): "I'm going to kill y-"
SFX: ZZP
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SFX: CLAK
Ed: "**TOO SLOW!"
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SFX: CHOP



Page 25:
SFX: CLANK
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Ed: "Didn't I tell you? There's no comparison between us?"
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Cornello: "I won't…"
SFX: GRR
Cornello: "I won't give up…"
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Cornello: "As long as I have the stone I can make miracles again and again!"
SFX: ZZP
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Ed: "Gh…"



Page 26:
SFX: KAZAP
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SDX: SQUIKK
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Cornello: "**GAAAGGGHH!"
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Cornello: "*MY ARM! MY ARM!"
Ed: "Wh…"
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Ed: "Why…" "Why did it…?"
Cornello: "**AGGGHH! IT HURTS! AAGGGHHH!"



Page 27:
Ed: "**SHUT UP!!"
SFX: BAMM¨
Cornello: "*ACK!"
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Ed: "It was just a rebound!!" "Don't make a big deal over one or two arms!!"
Cornello: "Nnnhh…"
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Ed: "The stone! Let me see the Philosopher's Stone!"
SFX: KRAK
Cornello: "AGGH! M… My stone!"
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SFX: CLINK
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SFX: TINKLE
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SFX: WSSSHHHH



Page 28:
Ed: "It… broke?"
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Ed: "How could this happen How could a "pure substance" like the Philosopher's Stone break apart?"
Cornello: "I don't know, I don't know anything! Nobody told me a thing!!"
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Cornello: "Agggh… please spare me. I was wrong…"
Ed: "It's a fake…?"
Cornello: "I'm powerless without the stone. Help me…"
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SFX: GLOOOM
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Cornello: "Heh heh heh… He's not paying any attention to me!"
SFX: (Cornello, background) This is my chance…
Cornello: "I'll get even with them even if it means giving everything to kill this one kid!"



Page 29:
Ed: "Hey… Old man…"
SFX: BA_BUMP
Cornello: "Uh… Y-Yes!?"
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SFX: ZZT
Ed: "First you lied to the townspeople, then you tried to kill us…"
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SFX: ZZT, ZZT
Cornello: "Wha…?"
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SFX: ZZZT, ZZT, ZZT, ZZT
Al: "Huh…?"
Ed: "…And now, after all the trouble you put me through, you're telling me the stone was FAKE?"
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SFX: ZZZT, ZZT, ZZZT, ZZT
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SFX: ZZZT, ZZT, ZZT
SFX: KRAK, KRAK, KRAK
Cornello: "Waagh!"
SFX: ZZT



Page 30:
SFX: SHM
SFX: KRAK, KRAK, KRAK
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SFX: BABAM
Ed: "*THIS BETTER BE SOME KIND OF JOKE!!"
SFX: KRAK, KRAK, KRAK
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SFX: LOOM



Page 31:
Ed: "*FEEL THE IRON BLOW OF GOD'S WRATH!"



Page 32:
Al: "It's a FAKE?"
SFX: GURGLE
Ed: "Yeah, it was all a waste of time."
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Ed: "Just when I thought we were finally going to be able to get your old body back…"
SFX: SIGH
Al: "We need to worry about YOU first. Auto-mail has a lot of problems."
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Ed: "Oh well, I guess we'll look somewhere else…"
SFX: (Ed, background) Back on the road again…
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Rosé: "But…"
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Rosé: "There must be some mistake… I mean…" "They told me that he would come back to life…"
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Ed: "Give it up, Rosé. It could never have…
Rosé: "What did you do to me…?"



Page 33:
Rosé: "What do I DO?" "What am I supposed to believe in now!?"
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Rosé: "Are YOU going to tell me?"
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Rosé: "Well, are you?"
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Ed: "You need to figure that out on your own."



Page 34:
Ed: "Stand up and walk." "Keep going forward."
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Ed: "At least you have strong legs to take you there."



Page 35:
Crowd (bold): "Bring out Father Cornello!" "We want the truth!"
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Crowd: "*YOU LIED TO US!"
SFX: TOOM, TOOM, TOOM, TOOM, TOOM
Crowd (bold): "Open up!" "Explain yourself!"
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Cornello: "… Damn it!"
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Cornello: "I can't believe that runt ruined my plans…"
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Cornello: "I won't allow it." "I've invested too much in this to let it fall apart…"
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Voice (Lust): "Really, you were SO close… And now everything's ruined."



Page 36:
Lust: "Long time no see. Wish it was longer." "You've caused a lot of trouble, your holiness."
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Cornello: "Wh… what's the meaning of this!!?"
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Cornello: "The Philosopher's Stone that you gave me broke into pieces!!" "How dare you give me a fake!!"
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Lust: "Please. Do you think we would hand over the real thing to a person like you?"



Page 37:
Cornello: "You… You said that I would be able to take over this country using the stone!"
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Lust: "Mmm… I DID say something like that, didn't I?" "All we wanted was for you to cause a little bit of chaos in this region, that's all."
SFX: MUNCH
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Lust: "WHAT? You look surprised. Did you really think that a third-rate despot like yourself could become the ruler of a country?"
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Lust: "*AHA HA HA HA!! You really are too much!"
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Gluttony: "Hey Lust, can I eat this old guy? Can I?"
SFX: PLUP
Lust: "No, no, Gluttony. You're going to get a stomachache if you eat the likes of him."



Page 38:
Lust: "If you eat this third-rate…" "No, this fourth-rate fool…"
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Cornello: "*AAARRRGG! YOU'RE ALL MOCKING ME- YOU AND EVERYBODY ELSE!"
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SFX: SWIP
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SFX: SHUNK



Page 39:
Lust: "You…" "…Are no longer of any use."
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SFX: SHAA
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SFX: SPLUT



Page 40:
Lust: "Awwww… And just when things were starting to go SO well."
SFX: SHUNK
Lust: "Father will be furious."
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SFX: TWICTH, TWITCH
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SFX: LEER
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Lust: "So, what should our next plan be…?"
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SFX: RIP, SMACK
Lust (bold): "Hey, I thought I told you not to eat that."
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