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Hawkeye X Roy: The Royai Thread, For Roy, Riza, and Royai fans, and more!!
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post Jun 21 2010, 10:26 AM
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Thanx for the translations
From what's written there, I don't see it as if he's saying they "don't love eachother", just that their relationships is not JUST about that and that's not the only motivating factor to their actions, which I agree to completely. He's saying that, in that particular situation, Riza got over the top not because 'she's in love with Roy', but because it was a very strong situation for her.
And that's pretty much accurate!

So, I make A Pierrot's Aria's words my own. XD


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post Jun 21 2010, 12:35 PM
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QUOTE (Turdaewen @ Jun 21 2010, 07:26 PM) *
Thanx for the translations
From what's written there, I don't see it as if he's saying they "don't love eachother",


Lucky guy then biggrin.gif I swear I would search for him and attack him if it would be true, that he said, that Roy and Riza don't love each other. Hehe...

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post Jun 21 2010, 02:21 PM
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QUOTE (FailToImpress @ Jun 21 2010, 05:42 AM) *
QUOTE (MustangSally @ Jun 21 2010, 05:04 AM) *
I like Travis' voice too. I can't remember where I read it but someone complained about his voice being too deep because Mustang was only supposed to be like 30 and that cracked me up. A couple of my favorite tv actors, when they were under 30, had voices deeper than his. Both Texans(like him) so maybe guys from Texas just have deep voices. smile.gif But in any case, it doesn't sound to me to be any deeper than how his Japanese Voice Actor plays him. I figure it's to convey that he's a leader and "grown up" - deep voices are usually considered a way to convey leadership.


See, I always thought the first anime Roy (Japanese voice) was waaaaay too deep and just sounded silly.
Plus, who else can you see playing Roy in English? I just can't think who else would be able to do that voice.

Also... I greatly prefer Riza's English voice... not only does she rock the backhanded comments and general snarkiness, the Japanese VA makes her sound far too young. She hasn't been so bad lately but I still don't think it really fits.


I've never heard his first anime Japanese voice. When it comes to the first anime Travis is the only Roy I "know". smile.gif But on the second anime and current voice - I think both voices totally fit Roy Mustang. Not to so deep as to sound ridiculous but not too high or thready sounding as to lack authority. They both sound age appropriate to me.

And I think I agree about the Japanese Riza sounding too young but it's a nice sounding voice anyway, pleasant. But not really what I'd expect of a woman in her late 20's with extensive military experience who is clearly thought of as Roy's "babysitter" and hall monitor. smile.gif

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Thank you, Nagareboshi! So problem solved. We don't know whether or not Yasuhiro Irie thinks of royai as a romantic couple but now we're pretty sure he understands the dynamic of their relationship. I couldn't say it better myself. His definition pretty much says 'love'


I agree. I think that is a great definition and besides, it's not like "romantic" love is the best or deepest, it doesn't necessarily work that way. It's possible to love a platonic partner more than a romantic partner, etc. They are deeper and more dynamic than the romantic definition of love could cover.
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post Jun 22 2010, 01:59 AM
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Totally delurking just to expand on this.

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I agree. I think that is a great definition and besides, it's not like "romantic" love is the best or deepest, it doesn't necessarily work that way. It's possible to love a platonic partner more than a romantic partner, etc. They are deeper and more dynamic than the romantic definition of love could cover.


Personally, I think that calling it "romantic" love just makes it all flowery and kind of shallow and it sounds - well... romantic. And way cheesy. With Roy and Riza, I think it goes way deeper than just "romantic" love. Their kind of bond isn't something you could compare to even something like super glue. It's more like they're part of the same whole and one without the other just isn't right on so many levels.

Calling it "romantic" love would almost be an insult to their relationship.

Also, regarding the dub: Colleen did brilliantly. I have no words. She was amazing.


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post Jun 22 2010, 03:58 AM
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As long as they didn't end up like they are at the movie (them falling apart, Roy going away from Riza......) , then I am ok..
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post Jun 23 2010, 02:44 PM
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Colleen is absolutely amazing as Riza. Her voice is deep and she delivers the lines well. ^^ I don't much like the Japanese VA of either anime, she does sound young. In the newer episodes, she isn't so bad, however. And Roy is great in both, but I'm partial to Travis because, well, I can understand him in my native language. ^^;

Also, I agree that thier love isn't some little flingy thing. And it's definitely not obvious, were you just a passerby. It's in secret that they let a little of it go. XD
I'm also not entirely sure whether they're supposed to see how the other feels (Assuming that they are in love blah blah blah). I get that they know they can depend on each other....But it's really common in all shows and books for everyone around them to see something obvious and they don't.

But I'm hoping that's not the case. ^^


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post Jun 23 2010, 03:21 PM
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First thing I'm going to say is this: I agree 100% with the school of thought that the bonds between Roy and Riza go WAY deeper than simple romantic love. That said, probably 'cause I'm about the most hopeless romantic out there, I'd like to think that there's a bit of room for romantic love within (not quite what I want to say, but I had it written perfectly earlier and managed to delete the text sad.gif ) that deeper (are we calling it platonic?) love. Each can exist without the other, certainly, and you can see that when you look at best friends vs. ... um... most high school couples? (I'm trying to think of a relationship based mostly on romance, and not necessarily on those really deep bonds, here.) Anyway, point is that while they can exist separately, can't they also exist within the same relationship? Not saying that they go at it like rabbits when nobody's looking or anything like that, but just that I see the possibility. Does this make sense?

hoprabbit--Oh, I totally think they're aware of it! At least, on some level. Riza knows what she's about (i.e. she's dedicated to Roy's cause, and she believes in it, too), and Roy's not at all stupid, nor is he that shallow.


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post Jun 23 2010, 08:34 PM
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I haven't been here for a while, so sorry if my post is irrelevent.

Royai is, to be simple, the best pairing I have ever read because it is SO MUCH MORE than just a romantic pairing, and I don't need to go on since you all have described how I feel, ha ha.

And that interview with their seiyuus? My first thought was "Well, neither anime had the Grumman scene with the 'marry my granddaughter' bit..." :-P

And I am verrrry behind on the FMAB episodes. I am about to watch 58 ha ha, even though I already watched the part with the throat-slashing raw. And there was something about the 'hanging on to eachother' scene in 107 that was changed/omitted?


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post Jun 24 2010, 02:53 AM
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I've just done my last check on FFnet for good fics in Spanish, and I've located many. Here I list the Royai ones ^^:

Una luz al final del túnel ("A light at the end of the tunnel"), by Yai ina: Post-chapter 102. Roy gets angsty and tries to pull a Shambala, so Riza does the best she can to make him go back to senses. Rated M (yeah, it's all by the approach).
Desde entonces ("From then on"), by angerulegna: Melancholic recollection of scattered memories, events, reports and even notes. It was supposed to happen after the movie, but it's been revised and now it's manga-compliant (but it makes more sense as a post-movie fic IMHO). It's kind of gloomy (and limey XD) but if you can handle that, it's a must. Rated T, yet unfinished.
Ojo de halcón ("Hawk eye"), by Narue Inverse: Ishval. 'Nuff said. Rated T, unfinished (sadly enough, it seems it will be that way for a long time T_T).
De la simetría de los mundos ("On worlds' parallels"), by angerulegna: AU, at our world. As the title suggests, in spite of the different setting (mafia instead of homunculi) the parallels are striking. Besides some visions being just out of the manga, I mean ^^. Rated T (mostly because of gunfights).
Oh well, everything angerulegna is good Royai, but I chose those two fics because I think they're the best of them all.
Como un patito feo ("Like an ugly duckling"), by Ilusion-chan: AU, with the Roy-tachi... as high school students. Believe me, it's not even half as bad as it sounds. Other than the school setting, is quite faithful. Rated K (that is, 5+), yet unfinished.

Also, "Un final" ("An ending"), by 00laua00. Can't post the link because it's kind of an add-on to chapter 108. PM me if you want the link. Rated K (5+).
<To avoid comments for the content of this fic and hence possible discussions for chapter 108 content on this thread, took out the link. Sorry! ~ Board staff>

Actually, I found more, but the others were not Royai, so I'll have to report them elsewhere XD. But it's more than enough to check up.
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post Jun 24 2010, 05:42 AM
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QUOTE (jacksparrow589 @ Jun 23 2010, 11:21 PM) *
That said, probably 'cause I'm about the most hopeless romantic out there, I'd like to think that there's a bit of room for romantic love


I'm totally the same... hopeless romantic. rolleyes.gif

There's a good quote about platonic love:
"Platonic love is love from the neck up." - It's so true. This is so hard to explain, but I have a definition to explain it for me:

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1. A pure, spiritual affection, subsisting between persons of opposite sex, unmixed with carnal desires, and regarding the mind only and its excellences; -- a species of love for which Plato was a warm advocate.
Platonic love, in its modern popular sense, is a non-sexual affectionate relationship,[1] usually between people who otherwise might be expected to be sexually involved with each other.


^That, is basically what I've thought of the nature of their relationship over the years.
I don't think there is much room for romance between them, simply because they can't let anything, and I mean anything, cloud their judgement. Being in love is a funny thing, it can totally change how you feel about things. I like to think that because Roy and Riza cannot afford to be romantic, their love has manifested itself into the kind of relationship I quoted. Romance can, and will, come after.

But who knows... I might be wrong! tongue.gif
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post Jun 24 2010, 06:27 AM
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@Kaori Ayanami oh...new ones? or old ones? The last time I read spanish fics ...mm I dont' remember but I think it's when I posted mine so...6 months ago... maybe lol


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post Jun 24 2010, 07:38 AM
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FailtoImpress--Good point! I didn't mean "ROMANCE NOW!", but I guess that might have been how it came out. Noooooo... Only when the time is right. They've got enough wits, self-control, etc. to recognize and follow through on that.


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post Jun 24 2010, 09:18 AM
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I found this scan while I was avoiding summer homework, and was wondering if anyone had seen it before:
http://gallery.minitokyo.net/view/437071
I didn't recognize it...

Anyhow, about the platonic thing. I agree with everyone at the same time I've got the same thing as jacksparrow does in the back of my mind, but I like the way FailToImpress put it. That's what I've always liked about RoyAi - their deep, unspoken understanding of one another, that mature trust they share, and the way they are so devoted to one another and rely on one another. The way they silently interact has always made the little things they do say aloud seem so much more important, separating them from the more 'immature' manga relationships where too much was said, and the meaning was lost. Those two do love one another, and are the most important person in the other's life, and always will be. However, part of me can't help that someday in the future, when Roy's Fuhrer and the universe is safe and peaceful, that perhaps Riza can relinquish her job as his guard and, you know, become first lady. I don't see why not!! tongue.gif

I think someone said earlier that they kind of have a relationship like a couple that's been married several years, but when we talk about it like this, it always seems like their love is backwards - the mature years of understanding came first, and then any time for romantic love can come later on, rather than the conventional reverse XDD Gotta love RoyAi!!

I do believe, though, that their relationship is still growing. I mean, some people have said that they’ve been the same forever, but they are not the same two people who encountered one another in Hawkeye’s crumbling house. They changed as they went through the war together, as they joined the military and made their promises and set their goals. Even during the time of their lives we’ve been following, they’ve been changing as well. They know they can trust one another, but sometimes they had to learn from another, too – like when Riza gave up living, when Roy was blinded by revenge, or when he very nearly performed human transmutation to save her – they’re still learning from one another, and their relationship is still growing.


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post Jun 24 2010, 10:28 AM
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I was bored so I made 2 panoramas, one from ep. 59 and one from ep. 62:
Royai panorama 1
Royai panorama 2

And I made a few icons too:

(WARNING!! The following images potentially contain BIIIIG SPOILERS for FMA:B anime ep 59/62 and related FMA manga chapter content!! If you haven't read/watched these and do not wish to be spoiled of the story, please do NOT click on these links!!!)
Roy x Riza 1, 100 x 100 Roy & Riza 1, 120 x 120

Roy & Riza 2, 100 x 100 Roy & Riza 2, 120 x 120

Roy & Riza 3, 100 x 100 Roy x Riza 3, 120 x 120

Roy & Riza 4, 100 x 100 Roy x Riza 4, 120 x 120

They're free to use, hope you like them. happy.gif

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post Jun 24 2010, 11:49 AM
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Those fics are mostly old or started a long time ago, a couple have been updated recently ("De la simetría de los mundos" even got an ending XD). Only "Un final" is really new, maybe you could include "Una luz al final del túnel" too since it's post-102.
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