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Chapter 90 "Regular" Discussion Thread For First Time Readers (and Others), No future chapter spoilers here, please. :)
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post Jan 4 2009, 11:35 AM
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QUOTE (Kryanka @ Jan 4 2009, 10:26 AM) *
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Second, why should elixirology need any sacrifice??? Alchemy doesn't need sacrifices! You need sacrifices to transmutate without a circle, that's not the case of elixirology!
Maybe I mixed it with anime, but I thought transmutation needs some kind of fuel. In anime it was lives of people from our world, in elixirology they use the natural flow in the ground, and what Xing poeple sense underneath Amestris must be lives of people who were killed there, something that Father controls. Human transmutation needs much bigger sacrifice though, bodies or souls of living people.

I think the "people as fuel" was only in the anime. In the manga, didn't they say alchemists used energy from the Earth's crust to fuel their transmutations? Regardless, transmuting requires fuel of some kind, be it Renkinjutsu or Rentanjutsu.

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post Jan 4 2009, 12:13 PM
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QUOTE (Maphisto40 @ Jan 4 2009, 10:35 AM) *
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Second, why should elixirology need any sacrifice??? Alchemy doesn't need sacrifices! You need sacrifices to transmutate without a circle, that's not the case of elixirology!
Maybe I mixed it with anime, but I thought transmutation needs some kind of fuel. In anime it was lives of people from our world, in elixirology they use the natural flow in the ground, and what Xing poeple sense underneath Amestris must be lives of people who were killed there, something that Father controls. Human transmutation needs much bigger sacrifice though, bodies or souls of living people.

I think the "people as fuel" was only in the anime. In the manga, didn't they say alchemists used energy from the Earth's crust to fuel their transmutations? Regardless, transmuting requires fuel of some kind, be it Renkinjutsu or Rentanjutsu.

P.S. Kryanka, did I make a boo-boo by posting what you said on MH? unsure.gif


Yes, in the manga it's energy from the tectonic plates that fuel Alchemy. Personally, I like that explanation better than the deaths of us on Earth. >_>;


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post Jan 4 2009, 12:29 PM
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The person who uses elixirology doesn't need anything.


How do you know??? May could have studied for years before being able to perform Elixirology of such a level. And she might be gifted in it, just as the brothers are gifted in Alchemy.

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In anime it was lives of people from our world, in elixirology they use the natural flow in the ground, and what Xing poeple sense underneath Amestris must be lives of people who were killed there, something that Father controls.


We don't know enough about this, but I personally believe that Elixirology and Achemy use the same kind of fuel : "life" energy. The main difference is that, in Amestris' case, the alchemists here were taught how to use a flow of power that comes from Father and the souls in him. Elixirology, I think, uses a flow that is created by the energy of every people that died on the planet, and whose energy went back to the earth once they died. But each user can't use more than what he really needs to perform a transmutation : the energy he takes is most likely counter-balanced by energy he gives, probably during the decomposition.

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Yup, exactly. It's also long-range and even kids can use it.


Ed and Al were younger than May when they started to perform alchemy, and they were his age when they tried to transmutate their mother, if not younger.

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And he's only deconstructing, if I'm not mistaken.


The complete alchemy created by his brother was more powerful than that. Put simply, I think it could do everything the Elrics can, without the need for a failed human transmutation.
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post Jan 5 2009, 01:54 PM
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QUOTE (Maphisto40 @ Jan 4 2009, 07:35 PM) *
P.S. Kryanka, did I make a boo-boo by posting what you said on MH? unsure.gif

That was you? biggrin.gif Hi! No, I loved it, thanks biggrin.gif

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The person who uses elixirology doesn't need anything.


How do you know??? May could have studied for years before being able to perform Elixirology of such a level. And she might be gifted in it, just as the brothers are gifted in Alchemy.

"Studied for years" sounds kind of riddiculous in Mei's case wink.gif

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Ed and Al were younger than May when they started to perform alchemy, and they were his age when they tried to transmutate their mother, if not younger.

I know, but the Elrics were much more real and likeable. First, we saw their grief and desperation, their reasons to study alchemy were reasons of kids their age - they had books their father left them, they wanted their mother to be proud of them, they wanted to have her back. We saw them study and train, and prepare and plan for years.
Mei on the other hand - what kind of a super-kid is the best warrior in their clan and seeks eternal life and a crown of their country? With only bitchy panda by their side?
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Don't usually take sides but I have to agree with Kryanka on Mei 100%. I personally don't like how any of the Xing characters can speak Amestrian so well accent or not. I deal with many bilinguals who've studied English from France or China for 12+ years and they have many issues, depending on the situation, getting their meaning across here in the States. With how dangerous the lives of all the Xingese characters have been been I don't see how they got the time to learn to function so well in a foreign country. I'll shut up before I rant more on the super powers of those from Xing.

To clear up Scar's tattoo. In chap 48 (when Mei healed Scar's bullet wound) Mei specifically mentions to Yoki that Scar's tattoo is a combination of Amestrian and Xingese alchemy. Source

Maybe therein lies how Ed and Al may be able to deal it out with Father too? It's not impossible. Plus, I will be seriously pissed if the spotlight is taken away from Edward and Alphonse. Of course others can contribute and help, just not rip away who this story was supposed to be about to begin with. Personally, if a character is too strong in knowledge or power coughMeicough, I suggest death... Happened with Hughes. >_>
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post Jan 6 2009, 02:22 AM
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I don't understand the issue with the "superpower" thing... just because it isn't affected by Father's power??? Even with that, we saw that May isn't lot of a threat to Father : she is still young and inexperienced, and she was almost beaten by Glutonny... Glutonny! The most useless and ineffective Homonculus of all, just behind Envy among the Homonculus who actually have a brain (so Sloth doesn't count laugh.gif ).

Even knowing that, it's obvious that Elixirology won't play such a big role as we thought : Al has proven unable to learn it (May isn't quite the good teacher though... even if it must be quite hard to teach something when there is apparently such a gap in culture) and the only thing that will be effective against Father seems to be a circle discovered only by Hohenheim and Scar's brother, master of both Alchemy and Elixirology.

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Maybe therein lies how Ed and Al may be able to deal it out with Father too? It's not impossible.


Yeah, I hoped they would get the tatoo. Scar's brother succeeded into creating an alchemy that can be used easily by anyone, just with some tatoos on both arms. I always saw it as the opposite of the fact that alchemists crypt everything they do and try to keep that knowledge to themselves.
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