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Fma: Mockery Of The Us Government?
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post Sep 23 2004, 06:43 PM
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I was just wondering if anyone else interpreted the military based government in FMA as a satire of the American government. First of all, the FMA characters are white caucasians, and the military system, especially the hierarchary, is very similar to that of the American military.

But, what struck me most about FMA was the incident (massacre) with the people of Ishbal. These supposedly people were driven off their homeland by violence because they believe in a different god. This can be compared to the current situation in Iraq and Afghanistan, where the US is trying to convert their system of governent to a Democracy (some might speculate that we're trying to Christianize those people) ultimately through violence.

Not only that, but the people of Ishbal actually LOOK Islamic. The brown skin, the style of clothing all look similar to the people in the Middle East.

Iono...maybe this is all just a coincidence, but I would like some other input on this...
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post Sep 23 2004, 07:59 PM
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You obviously don't pay attention to the series. The people of Ishbal weren't driven from their land because they believe in a different God, they were driven from their homes b/c Dante and her homunculus were trying to create the Philosopher's stone and manipulated events to do so.

And other than a few similarities, I don't think they are mocking the US govt. at all. If they are, I can deal with that, but I still don't think its like that.


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post Sep 23 2004, 09:22 PM
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Ishval had weapons of mass destruction! I have proof of it, and it's right...over...HERE!


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post Sep 23 2004, 09:32 PM
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Ishval had weapons of mass destruction! I have proof of it, and it's right...over...HERE!


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well technically they did...scars brother
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post Sep 23 2004, 09:53 PM
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Not only that, but the people of Ishbal actually LOOK Islamic. The brown skin, the style of clothing all look similar to the people in the Middle East.


yes and no... remember, the catholic faith also started from the east. early christians would've looked like them. looking closely at the ishbar religion and culture as so far seen, it is entirely different from islam... a lot of people come to the conclusion that ishbar religion and its people is an interpretation of the islamic religion and its people when the truth is it is the representation of the religious society of the world.

the military vs. ishbar is more like science vs. religion.

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I was just wondering if anyone else interpreted the military based government in FMA as a satire of the American government. First of all, the FMA characters are white caucasians, and the military system, especially the hierarchary, is very similar to that of the American military.


hmmm... let's see... the US is a democratic state wherein Amesteris is under dictatorship. all power belong to the fuhrer, the president may have the power, but he can only excercise it under constitution and rely on the votes of the people to put him in power.

the dictator can declare war w/o counsel while the president must wait for the approval of the senate to declare war.

the head of the american army does not have the power to declare war nor does he have any political power over the state... only to its military. he is not head of the country and is under the president of the state.

the american army isn't the only caucassian army in the world...

see the big difference? besides, arakawa-sensei based her research more on the european settings than american.


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post Sep 23 2004, 10:01 PM
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The timing's a little convenient, though, wouldn't you say?


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post Sep 23 2004, 11:21 PM
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Isn't the Military vs. Ishbal war thing a mockery of the Sudan war? This is just a theory I heard a while back of course...
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only arakawa-sensei could answer this question... but looking at the structure of the manga, the original story, i don't think it had any intention of reflecting any event in real life.


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post Sep 24 2004, 01:25 AM
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America? Seems more like Germany to me - since they are most popularly known for Genocide (thus the Ishbals would have been the Jews). Also, in terms of diversity, the US army consists of the most numerous races when compared to any other army in the world - Asians, Natives, Latinos, African - as opposed to the all Caucasian army in FMA. In terms of goverment - FMA has a militaristic dictatorship compared to the democratic/republic system that the US uses. Although less socialistic than the current Western Europe, the US still is far from being a Military Dictatorship. Maybe its just a name thing, but the leader of the US is called a "President" where as the leader in FMA is called "Fuher" - and if i recall it right, it was either the Germans or the Russians that have named their leaders Fuher.
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post Sep 24 2004, 01:54 AM
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Atermis= Nazi Gemany
King Bradley=Adolf Hitler(You *beep*ing *beep**beep*)
Isbal massacre=Holocaust
State Alchemists=the SS

If you did Nazi Germany in history you should see the links...


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post Sep 24 2004, 04:41 AM
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QUOTE(Chibi Viki @ Sep 24 2004, 07:22 AM)
only arakawa-sensei could answer this question... but looking at the structure of the manga, the original story, i don't think it had any intention of reflecting any event in real life.

Actually arakawa-sensei has no responsibility to answer for the anime since bones already freely twisted whatever idea she has into their own (e.g. gate, equivalent trade, truth, characters, story, etc). If there is any 'similarity' to our current world, the answer lies with bones.
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QUOTE(What @ no bacon?,Sep 24 2004, 05:01 AM)
The timing's a little convenient, though, wouldn't you say?

yes, but couldn't it just be coincidental to everything that's going on right now anyways?

and if it mocks our government, I say go for it. tongue.gif

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post Sep 24 2004, 07:48 AM
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I stilll think it's more like Germany...


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post Sep 24 2004, 07:58 AM
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It's kinda convenient but I don't think it's based on the US government, it would be funny if it was though.. rolleyes.gif
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post Sep 24 2004, 02:58 PM
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Its definitely closer to Germany, but I gotta agree that the timing is pretty convenient. Besides, the way Bush is running things, the rest of the world can't exactly see the U.S. as much better. I swear, the way the U.N. was looking at Bush during his speech, if looks could kill, the election would be Kerry v. Cheney.

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