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Episode 7: Hidden Truths - Content Discussion Thread, Warning! Possible Spoilers for the first 7 episodes!
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post May 16 2009, 12:09 PM
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Talk-back/content discussion for English dubbed episode on Adult Swim starts on page 6.



Please post the discussions on the content of episode 7 here.
This thread is declared as a Spoiler zone for the content of the first 7 episodes.

* Where to watch this episode
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*Additionally, the following countries and areas are listed as newly able to access FMA: Brotherhood episodes on Youtube site (though the episodes may not be subbed in the language of your country): Check the list of viewing countries (Please double check Youtube site for details.)

* HD Screen caps of this episode to be posted on this link address later

* For all FMA Brotherhood anime fans who do not have access to the official subbed episodes, the transcriptions of English subbed episodes on Fanimation.com will be posted sometime later on Transcritions of official English sub thread.


* Episode Preview from FMA-2 official JP site:
(Translation by Tombow, episode title and the spelling of Sheska are from official English sub on Funimation.com)
Episode 7: "Hidden Truths"
To find the book with Marcoh's research notes Ed and Al visit the Central National Library. But, they find out that the library's First wing where the book was had been burnt to the ground. To confirm the fact that Marcoh's book was indeed inside the first wing, Lieutenant Maria Ross takes Ed and Al to see, Sheska, a young librarian who knew that wing well. She confirms that indeed the burnt down wing was where the book was. Watching deeply disappointed Ed and Al, Sheska makes an interesting proposal to help Ed and Al....

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Episode Summary: (To be filled)


Characters in this episode: (To be filled)


Locations: (excluding review and preview scenes, to be filled)


Sound Track info for this episode that's known to us so far: (To be filled)


FMA manga reference: To the readers of FMA manga (To be filled)


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post May 17 2009, 01:32 AM
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Didn't manage to catch much... since... MMS streams were closed and Keyhole was epic fail.
I can't really comment since we didn't manage to see much: Schiezka, Hughes, Scar, Lust, Gluttony, Roy, Riza, Havoc, Denny, Maria... Armstrong... Barry! Lab 5... yep, this ep was choc full of stuff.
(This seriously needs good raw and subs to comment upon...)

PS. However, we're up to the middle of Chapter 11.


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post May 17 2009, 01:37 AM
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Lol, did anyone else tried to stream on mms and ended up with some weird "power rangers" thingie? laugh.gif Sad, but made me laugh.
Another rushed episode, I'm afraid, although everything was pretty much there, it was kinda boring. Next one should be better, at least we get some real action/fighting scenes.
More intelligent thoughts (maybe) after I get to see the raw.


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Prolly it was fast-ish yes, but it seems that they haven't left out anything critical... however, just like you mentioned, I need both the raw and the subs to write decent comments on the ep.


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post May 17 2009, 01:45 AM
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I found Freshverse's TBS stream, so I saw most of it, despite a little lagging. Here's some initial thoughts:

- I thought it was weird that they stopped mid chapter 11, or towards the end, I guess, but not quite there. They might as well have extended it so it got all of chapter 10.

- Sheska sounded the same as in the first series, I wonder if they changed her voice. Anyway, we'll barely be seeing her in this series, so I guess it doesn't matter. It's a shame, Sheska is one of my favorite characters. Maybe they'll give her some extra scenes, though.

- I didn't care much for Maria Ross's new voice actress (who was Nunnally in Code Geass). Mitsuki Saiga seemed stronger to me. It's hard to tell so early, though.



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post May 17 2009, 04:27 AM
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QUOTE (penguintruth @ May 17 2009, 01:45 AM) *
- Sheska sounded the same as in the first series, I wonder if they changed her voice. Anyway, we'll barely be seeing her in this series, so I guess it doesn't matter. It's a shame, Sheska is one of my favorite characters. Maybe they'll give her some extra scenes, though.
This raises a question: what's your opinion about Anime1Schiezska? Winry needed a galpal, and Schiezska was Ethel to her Lucy, or maybe it was the other way around, since Schiezska was the daffy one while Winry was more reasonable. And the partnership, IMO, seemed to make Anime1Winry more- how shall I put it?- independently active in the plot. Why let the Brothers have all the fun? Let's have some action ourselves! Let's 'bug' the Homunculus! Let's make a surprise attack on Roy!
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post May 17 2009, 04:35 AM
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QUOTE (Claudius @ May 17 2009, 07:27 AM) *
QUOTE (penguintruth @ May 17 2009, 01:45 AM) *
- Sheska sounded the same as in the first series, I wonder if they changed her voice. Anyway, we'll barely be seeing her in this series, so I guess it doesn't matter. It's a shame, Sheska is one of my favorite characters. Maybe they'll give her some extra scenes, though.
This raises a question: what's your opinion about Anime1Schiezska? Winry needed a galpal, and Schiezska was Ethel to her Lucy, or maybe it was the other way around, since Schiezska was the daffy one while Winry was more reasonable. And the partnership, IMO, seemed to make Anime1Winry more- how shall I put it?- independently active in the plot. Why let the Brothers have all the fun? Let's have some action ourselves! Let's 'bug' the Homunculus! Let's make a surprise attack on Roy!


But, at the same time, didn't it stunt Winry's personal growth? As if they were just pawning off Sheska on her because gals should only pal around with each other and go on wacky girlventures.

Then again, not being a huge fan of Winry to begin with, and being of the opinion that their downplaying her made the development she did get mean more in a "more for your mileage" fashion, I didn't mind Winry and Sheska paling around, trying to figure out who killed Hughes, hiding out in Risembool, and the like, because it meant more of Sheska, one of my favorite characters, and showed that Winry is actually capable of making friends other than the Elric brothers.

Ah, but if we get into this too much, it will detract the discussion of this current episode of the new series.


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post May 17 2009, 05:00 AM
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post May 17 2009, 05:16 AM
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As for now I've seen only good RAW version....what can I say? This episode's pacing was faster than last week's, it kind of felt rushed but it wasn't that bad...I mean 2nd episode was worse xD But Maria’s voice….I don’t really like it, I know, I will get used to it but still, it was too high for me. Anyway I liked this episode, it wasn’t the best from all of them but still good, Barry is made of awesomeness. And gah, two more episodes till we-are-know-what. Waiting for the subs~


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post May 17 2009, 06:36 AM
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Just got my hands on the raw and I have to say I'm rather pleased with this episode, even though it seems a bit fast paced and somethings were excluded from it, but they stuck pretty close to the manga so I'm not complaining. biggrin.gif

The music that was played during the sewer part reminded me somewhat of the Jaws theme and it made it that much creepier for me. Man, I hated that movie.
And I love how they kept the fact that Roy wouldn't be able to go on any dates so long as scar's still around. laugh.gif
I am a bit put off by the fact that they didn't put the shrimpsqeeze! part that I found so hilarious in the manga, but meh, Armsrong hugged him enough in the last episode, I guess.

Did anyone notice that in Sheska's house, Edward didn't need to walk sideways like the others? I see that being small has it's benefits.
I rather like Maria's new voice and is Sheska being voiced by someone new? Because I can't really remember what her old voice sounded like.
......The guy who says "Fullmetal Alchemist" sounded more annoying then ever in this episode, I kind of wish they had it said in Japanese than in English, or at the very least gotten someone who doesn't sound so......funky. blink.gif

all in all, I'm pleased with this week's eppy, I just need to see a subbed version and I'll be satisfied. And as for next week's episode, it looked awesome! Barry looked creepy and he's got a new voice. Also, judging by that one shot of him with a bloody cleaver; they kept that part with the poor security gaurd. GAH, is it next week yet?

Btw, I don't know if anyone noticed this is, but the Opening this week had a slight difference:

Note the lion devouring the sun in the top left part of the mural? It wasn't there in the episode before, see?

I wondered why it was missing a few details, this is obviously forshadowing......for the newcomers at least.

Also, this guy's gonna show up in some episodes just like in the manga, eh? He also made an appearance last episode,too. tongue.gif
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Good observation Nekogirl. I did catch the Lion in the opening but I didn't realize that was not there before. I guess I should have wondered why I did not notice it before.

I also didn't notice the guy from the manga. I am glad to see they are keeping some of Arakawa's great visual gags.

I was especially happy they kept Al with his fans



Overall I thought they did a pretty good job with this episode, except for the fact that Maria, Denny, and Sheska's introductions felt a bit too quick for me. And I was upset that they left out one of my favorite jokes (Roy coding his alchemy in the name of women)

But other than that good episode. There were a lot of great jokes taken right out of the manga but I thought the few emotional scenes were done well too (especially the scene of Ed & Al alone in their hotel room, well before Armstrong breaks down the door then we are back to the laughs tongue.gif )


Anyways I also liked where the stopped the episode, leave all the action scenes for next week. It make sense.
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post May 17 2009, 07:12 AM
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Am I the only one who thinks the art in this episode looked kind of... lazy? I mean, much less detailed than before? Other than that, I don't think it was half bad. I'll need subs to be sure, though.

Also, nekogirl L, whoa, great observation about the OP. I totally missed that (skipped some of the opening to get to the actual episode faster... This'll teach me not to do that!) I wonder why they put that detail there already - we haven't even seen the Xerxes ruins in the new anime, and we only see that part of the circle in vol. 13. of the manga... Weird.

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Have not seen the episode yet (argghhh), but your post about the opening, nekogirl L was interesting. No idea if this has any relevance, but:

"The Green Lion devouring the sun is a famous image in alchemy being depicted in many manuscripts and engravings, and can be thought of as aqua regia dissolving the solar gold and forming a solution which could readily tinge metals with gold."

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"To other alchemists who worked primarily with vegetable matter and processes, rather than the mineral work, the Green Lion was an image of the green raw energy of nature, 'the green fuse which drives the flower' as Dylan Thomas elegantly expressed it in one of his poems. Here the Green Lion which devours the sun is the green pigment chlorophyll. The green leaves of the plant are formed out of the energy of sunlight. Alchemists often attempted to create living processes in their flasks and looked especially for precipitates or crystallisations which resembled leaves or plant forms. The Green Lion here could be a plant sap extract which was often the prima materia for their alchemical work."

It's not green, of course. Still, some food for thought (and I think I'm . . . aha - very happy that they're including all this). Lalalala. smile.gif

ETA: Alternatively, I have no idea why the Lion isn't green. Just skimming back through the manga (I actually completely forgot it ever turned up in the manga - ahhhhh, I'm dumb) but if it symbolizes the making of the Stone, it really, really . . . should be green. There's a Red Lion in alchemical symbolism, but I don't believe it ever comes up as devouring the sun. (Not to mention, it doesn't symbolize the Stone, as far as I can tell). It may just be some oversight by the director or something (since Arakawa couldn't put the ruins into color, obviously, for various reasons). Urgh.
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post May 17 2009, 11:32 AM
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Could someone please send me a pm with a link to the episode?

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post May 17 2009, 12:05 PM
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Sorry for offtopic, guys
If the lion would be green, it would be noticed easily. When it's gold, you won't notice it easily.
It's on purpose not-green >D


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