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War, Do you think its a solution ?
Kenji
post Feb 5 2007, 06:48 PM
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If there is no WWII, there will be no Malaysia, India, Australia, New Zealand.... and the list goes on...

British will continue rule our land...
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post Feb 5 2007, 07:54 PM
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QUOTE(Kenji @ Feb 5 2007, 08:48 PM) [snapback]501544[/snapback]
If there is no WWII, there will be no Malaysia, India, Australia, New Zealand.... and the list goes on...

British will continue rule our land...


2/4. thats a F in history, child.


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post Feb 5 2007, 08:48 PM
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No World War II = No United Nation

No United Nation = No anti-colonial rule [I translate from "Dasar Neokolonialisme" a Malay word]

No anti-colonial rule = No independence

UN [or the Geneva Convention] have a rule that stamp out colonization to other country...

Get it? I am too lazy to type a mile long essay just for this... US gained independent about 300 years ago [correct?]...but Malaysia is just 50 years independent...
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post Feb 5 2007, 09:01 PM
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youre still 2/4. Australia and New Zealand were self-governing themselves already before world war two. if you want to speak for malaysia thats fine, but each time you bring it up i care less and less.


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post Feb 10 2007, 11:36 PM
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war has always been a tool to fullfill certain international political/economical goal, from obtaining certain resources to anhaialating oposite political enemies.
its just a tool, i can both solve and create a problem.


oh, and some of you said that wars occur cuz of things like pride, stubbornness or revenge... please dont be so naive, no war has ever ocurred cuz of such petty causes, the masses may be stupid, but the powerful leaders are not, they occur for money, directly or indirectly, world leaders have no pride or ideology, they would gladly admit they are wrong if it gets them a couple of millions, and no one is foolish enough to risk their position or resources to wage a pointless war about religion, revenge or pride, and if wars seem to happen cuz of that, then its just an excuse, today world leaders are too crafty to start wars on something so non-profitable as revenge...

please understand that a win-lose situation implies that someone will win, thats right, lots of people will die, but the ones who declared the war, the leaders, will not, and at the end of the bloody conlict they will be richer, and more powerful. a win-win situation may save lots of lives, but who cares about OTHER PEOPLE'S lifes when I can be much richer?
those who fight are never who choose to fight, and those who benefit from it are never who pay for it.

the versallies treaty was win-lose right? it caused a war right? at the end of that war, besides the thousands of deaths, some people benefited, right? so, if you were one of those guys, why would you even care for the destruction it may have cuased? afterall, it did brought you some cash, didnt it? they ones who made the treaty werent moronic, they werent stubborn, they were smart, and they are rich.

as i said before, war is nothing but a tool, that runs on human lives

ps: i'm against using war for profit


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post Feb 11 2007, 06:12 AM
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QUOTE(Kenji @ Feb 6 2007, 01:48 AM) [snapback]501544[/snapback]
British will continue rule our land...



The Empire collapsed quite a while ago, Britain does not have anywhere near the hold on countries they had before, so why mention it? War made it collapse?


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post Feb 11 2007, 07:06 AM
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QUOTE(Chiyo @ Feb 11 2007, 09:12 PM) [snapback]503899[/snapback]
QUOTE(Kenji @ Feb 6 2007, 01:48 AM) [snapback]501544[/snapback]
British will continue rule our land...



The Empire collapsed quite a while ago, Britain does not have anywhere near the hold on countries they had before, so why mention it? War made it collapse?


That "our" is meant to be Malaya... sorry if I confused you...
because this is not a lesson of Malaysia History, I will make it short...

After WWII British is coming back after the Japanese defeat. Before British is back, Malaya that time was ruled 13 days by communist. They wrecked havoc and be racist. They killed a lot of innocent people. When British return, they implement the British Army Administration System. Then later, at 1st April 1945, they introduce Malayan Union, a policy to wipe out all Malay Sultans so that they can have full control the whole of Malaya. Suffering from WWII during the ruling of Japanese regime, the whole of Malaya went against that Malayan Union plan and thus Malayan Union become a history... The abolishment of Malayan Union gives hopes to Malaya to gain independence and thus in 1957 we are free from British regime and on 1963, Malaysia is born... ditching the Malaya name...

Remark:
Malaya is Malaysia's name before 1963
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post Feb 11 2007, 02:12 PM
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my mom is a malaysian wa ren, so iv heard those stories too.

what you fail to mention was that every single facet of malaysias independance, from the constitution to the borders to who the first prime minister would be was decided by the british. malaysia simply got lucky becuase britain didnt have the resources to keep such large colonies, which does have some relation to WW2.

you speak as though you believe the UN and some glorious malaysian nationalistic movement freed malaysia from the british. dont be so naive. take a hint from hong kong and singapore and stop thinking of britain as some kind of evil empire.


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post Feb 11 2007, 05:56 PM
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QUOTE(kaizenyorii @ Feb 12 2007, 05:12 AM) [snapback]504008[/snapback]
my mom is a malaysian wa ren, so iv heard those stories too.


Tell her "Aniyo hasayo! Orang Malaysia datang ucap selamat" XD

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what you fail to mention was that every single facet of malaysias independance, from the constitution to the borders to who the first prime minister would be was decided by the british. malaysia simply got lucky because britain didnt have the resources to keep such large colonies, which does have some relation to WW2.
When the civilians started not to co-operate, you, back then as the Gabenor, are you willing to continue rule the country? With riots going on at every train stations, streets and markets they do have headache! So, for pride, before they left, they gave independent... so that civilians "stop thinking of Britain as some kind of evil empire afterall"

If they doesn't have any resources to keep such large colonies, why they keep hong Kong till 1997? Malaysia have definetly more resources such as coal, tin and cooper, while Hong Kong is just earth.

If I go on mentioning every single facet of malaya independence, from the constitution to the borders to who the first prime minister, the functions of each constitution...everyone will be scared away from FM-A.com forum...

The first prime minister is not choosen by Brit...it is because the first prime minister is the president of the strongest party that time, and thus he can be the prime minister... and futhermore, he is our Father of Independent...

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you speak as though you believe the UN and some glorious malaysian nationalistic movement freed malaysia from the british. dont be so naive. take a hint from hong kong and singapore and stop thinking of britain as some kind of evil empire.


Speaking of singapore... well singapore gained independent on 9th August 196x.Ironically, it is not from British, but is from Malaysia. Before 196x, Lee Kwan Yew was in Malaya merging power with Tun Hussien Onn and Tunku Abdul Rahman to fight for independent. Singapore joined Malaya to hasten its independent and also to stop socialist party taking control of Singapore at the upcoming vote [with independent as a promise, they can win more votes]...

I am not naive... =.= About those UN and Geneva Convention, I am actually saying that British respects the UN and Geneva Convention and thus both the proclamation, especially Geneva Convention helped a lot too in a country's independent. So I didn't say BRITISH IS A EVIL EMPIRE!!!
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post Feb 11 2007, 06:30 PM
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maybe we should compare hong kong and malaysia in size. then maybe itll be easier on the mind. Also, hong kongs most important resource was being an easy entrance into the asian economic market. in retrospect, that was more valuable than coal, tin or copper.

i am also aware that singapore was first part of malaysia before their own independance. the point is that hong kong and singapore, despite being fiercely patriotic, also celebrate their colonial roots because it enabled them to become richer than any other asian city. i lived in hong kong for 12 years. despite not being independant, the people there for the most part love the way things are.

if you dont want to come off as anti-britain, try not giving us such gems as "British will continue rule our land..."

In any case, we can agree that in the case of malaysia, war was excellent.


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post Feb 11 2007, 11:25 PM
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The British Empire Started to weaken long back, most of the southeast Asian countries were rebelling against them and they could not hold on. WW-II just kind of made the final blow to the empire and forced them to withdraw.

The war only helped things to happen faster than they would have.
It only acted as a catalyst in the whole case.
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post Feb 12 2007, 02:50 AM
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QUOTE(Amol @ Feb 12 2007, 02:25 PM) [snapback]504245[/snapback]
The British Empire Started to weaken long back, most of the southeast Asian countries were rebelling against them and they could not hold on. WW-II just kind of made the final blow to the empire and forced them to withdraw.

The war only helped things to happen faster than they would have.
It only acted as a catalyst in the whole case.


Yup... The war sees US took over the global trades untill today...Once, trades uses Pounds...but now all are in USD... ^.^
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post Feb 12 2007, 03:08 AM
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So the world has gone from being ruled by the British to ruled by the US dollor?


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post Feb 12 2007, 04:23 AM
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No, what it means is that before the WW-II Britain was considered a superpower , where as after the war the new power-blocks that came up were the United States and Soviet Union, and then came the era of cold war ................
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post Feb 12 2007, 06:03 AM
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Yes....its no longer British rule as that rule has moved on....to money.


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