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Hawkeye X Roy: The Royai Thread, For Roy, Riza, and Royai fans, and more!!
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post Aug 5 2008, 11:05 AM
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ive been thinking, and the more i think, the stupider Conqueror of Shamballarammalammakadingitydingdadongshoobopshoowaddawaddayippityboomdeboom was. i mean, "I see dead people"?! "in my blind eye?!1!!11!!1?!!!! *head/desk*
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I hate that at the end of the series, you see Riza and Roy together, but in the movie they are... strange. Roy's behaving like a 4 year old who's afraid of taking responsibility.
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post Aug 5 2008, 05:58 PM
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I would say I can understand where he's coming from, but I know someone would get the impression that I've gone around committing genocide. NOT. THE. CASE!

Basically, Roy's still scarred by the whole Ishbal/genocide thing, and, to add to it, he couldn't save Ed or Al from their fate, and Ed is nowhere to be found. For all Roy knows, he could be dead, all for a chase for some stupid little stone that everyone would've been better without. And how was it created? Ishbal! It all ties back into Roy's rather colored past, and he feels responsible for it, probably 'cause he has a pretty idealistic (sometimes bordering on obsessive) sense of justice.

I would try to dissect this further, but I have to go get something at the store for dinner, or I'm not eating tonight! Maybe I'll come back and edit this, if I have the time.


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post Aug 6 2008, 06:43 AM
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I agree, but I still find it a little bit curious to portray Roy like that.
I would even say its a little OC, if you consider the manga (but since it's the anime, it makes more sense). I could never imagine manga's Roy behaving like that! I mean, it's just too 'immature' for Roy, who has already been through hell on earth.

And I do like COS... I mean, it's fun! But when I watch it, I just don't consider those characters the characters from FMA. To me, that Roy is not THE 'Roy Mustang', that Riza is not THE "Riza Hawkeye" (in fact, she was a little 'off' throughout the series, wasn't she?)... even Edward is not quite himself.
It's just two different pieces of work, the anime and the manga. And since COS is based on the anime, it is coherent only to it, and not to the manga. That includes the personality of the characters.

I must say, I prefer the manga ANY day. Specially Roy. To me, I would NEVER say the anime Roy would be older than 25. Not because of appearance, but maturity. He's just a big brat with, apparently, no commitment to whatever. And it gets me in the nerves to see him like that. Still, he's a good comic relief!


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post Aug 6 2008, 09:12 AM
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Whats that? its time to b*tch about anime Roy? *rolls up sleeves excitedly*

I really dont mind the anime. If you put it seperately from the manga, its not too bad. Same goes for the movie (except the Edwin-rather, lack of - still pisses me off and Noah is still a - OK, ending mini rant before it gets ugly) . One thing i have trouble getting past is just what you mentioned, Turdaewen. Roy's immaturity and lack of commitment to what he does and the people he's with. I just love mangaRoy so much that i had more trouble than i should have with animeRoy. I was OK with him by the end (obviously because of the little hints at RoyAi LOL) but the movie was just strange to me - about Roy, i mean. Don't get me wrong - i can understand completely why he was upset. I just think he could have handled it better than he had.


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post Aug 6 2008, 05:50 PM
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And yet anime!Roy is SOOO much fun to write when he's emo! *looks around nervously* What? Don't give me that look!

Okay, yes, it is exhausting and Roy is (to me) definitely less mature about things in the anime than in the manga. But, lest we forget, we can tack on the death of Winry's parents to his past traumas. I'm not saying that that should account for all the extra angst, but it doesn't do anything to aleviate the burden.

I think that he is sort of-- wait, scratch that-- he's definitely reining in his emotions in the manga. He has to. But I think that when all's said and done and he can look back on everything, there'll be a lot that comes out that couldn't (or wouldn't) have been able to come out previously. Not to the extent of the anime-- he's a little too level-headed for that in the manga-- but there'll certainly be a lot of sadness mixed in with the anger.

So, there you go: my second two-bits on the matter.


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post Aug 7 2008, 09:02 AM
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Roy HAS a lot to be 'angst' for. I'm not questioning necessarily the seriousness of his situation either in the manga or the anime. They're both bad. What I think it's strange is the gravity of the situation and HOW he deals with it. I mean, his situation in the manga is a LOT worse and, still, he has a sense of 'dignity' or honor or... whatever he might call it, that doesn't allow him to just go 'the hell with everything' (man, I have NO idea how to put this in english! In portuguese we say 'kick the bucket', but I can't point any expression in english that quite gets the whole meaning of that expression)

Either way... the problem with the anime is just that, the manga is SO much better, that anything would look crappy beside it. Even though the anime is one of the best I've ever seen (and that means quite a lot)

What I like about Roy in the manga is JUST that: he understands he HAS to rein in his emotions and that what he compromised himself with is something more important than, for example, having a real relationship with Riza. I mean, you can see his just devastated for not being able to talk to her. But he has to, and he complies with that. And you don't see him whining about it. He just takes it as consequences for his hasty actions and that he must cope with, now.


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post Aug 7 2008, 10:43 AM
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@J.S.- *high five* Emo Roy is great to use for angst fic!

Now, I think you have to take into consideration the fact that everything is over in the anime, and in the end he couldn't achieve his goal, heck he couldn't even defeat Bradley without Selim's unintentional help! Not to mention he couldn't even save Selim. Then, he goes and makes Hawkeye worry about him...like he wants to put more on her plate. He winds up losing an eye, Hawkeye gets shot, Ed (the CHILD, he'd encouraged to join the army to further his own career) is considered dead to the world, and Al has no idea who the hell he is. With everything said and done, doesn't he deserve a little time to go be emo in his corner of the world? Yes, yes, I know crying over the past doesn't help much, but he needs time to heal, and though his running away from it all wasn't the wisest of choices, it was his decision.

I think you can find that all the characters in the anime have to be a bit different from the manga ones, because the difference in the story lines. Look at Hawkeye, she's obviously made more "gun happy" in the anime than the manga, but you can see where it comes from in the manga, it's just more exaggerated. I can see how the characters developed differently, and I consider them different entities from each other, but not OOC.

He is/was resigned to the fact that he will be sentenced to death after everything is said and done in the manga, how is Roy letting himself be executed not as horrible as him running away? I mean if for some reason Ed is no longer part of the manga world in the end, who is there to keep the 520 cenz promise going on? I'd say Riza, but she, too, expects to be executed after everything is over.

Also, he is being pushed by his emotions right now. The whole reason he got involved in Ed's business was Hughes' death! Now, Hawkeye, no, his whole team has been put in danger, and he has to be calm to and collected to make sure everything doesn't blow up in his face. I think the one thing the battle between him and Ed was made to show us is that Roy can and does use his head properly when under pressure.

The only scene from the anime I didn't like was where Riza wipes the sweat off Roy's forehead.

I do like the anime, but I enjoy the manga far more, for it's plot and characters.

@Turdeawen- In English "kick the bucket" usually references death, but I think it would also work for what you mean,actually I like that way it sounds, like he's willing to let himself die to the world.


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post Aug 7 2008, 03:51 PM
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THAT's the hole idea! I DO like the anime. A LOT. But I just like the manga better.

And when I said about Roy not being very 'mature' in the anime I didn't meant only at COS, but at ALL. I just can't picture the manga Roy sulking at ANY situation as he does in the anime. And THAT's one of the main things that makes me love the manga Roy.
But, of course, those things in the anime suits the story just fine! Just as like I absolutely ADORE Riza, but in the anime... she just doesn't do ALL that much. She's a lot more 'key role' in the manga, there's no doubt about that.

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@Turdeawen- In English "kick the bucket" usually references death, but I think it would also work for what you mean,actually I like that way it sounds, like he's willing to let himself die to the world.

Yeah... I remember that, now... But, in Brazilian Portuguese there's a hole different meaning to it. It's one of those things that simply has NO translation!! lol
We use it when a person is submitted to a situation that is tiresome or overloading for a long time and, from that point on, is not willing to take all that bull anymore... therefore 'kick the bucket', like 'not going to care anymore' or 'the hell with it'. lol


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post Aug 7 2008, 06:14 PM
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QUOTE(Causmicfire @ Aug 7 2008, 02:43 PM) *
He is/was resigned to the fact that he will be sentenced to death after everything is said and done in the manga, how is Roy letting himself be executed not as horrible as him running away? I mean if for some reason Ed is no longer part of the manga world in the end, who is there to keep the 520 cenz promise going on? I'd say Riza, but she, too, expects to be executed after everything is over.

Hum... that brings up a very interesting discussion!! You know what's funny? I was discussing EXACTLY about Wartime law breaking at my International Law class, a few days ago! Anyways... we were discussing how accusations are made in these cases like massacres and civil war. And I actually asked my teacher what would happen in a case like the Ishbal massacre.

Riza said that the only thing standing between her (and Cel. Mustang) of being charged with genocide (actually, ethnocide) would be them being military, even though they were following orders.
And that would be true... IF there were institutions to where she could have submitted accusations against her superiors so she could justify the disobedience. But, since Amestris is a dictatorship, there are no such institutions! Even because the whole government was involved. So, there was no actual choice for her or the Colonel to disobey the orders...

It would be something similar to what happened after WWII at Nuremberg: the people in command and directly involved in the crimes were the one accused by the court. Most mid level/low level patent soldiers never even made it to Martial Court, let alone an International Trial and death sentence!


And... I think I might be taking all this a liiiittle bit too seriously... lmao
At least, if a question similar gets on my Tests, I'll know the answer!! lol


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Causmicfire- I know what you mean about that scene with Riza wiping Roy's face. As sweet as it is, IT DOESN'T WORK FOR HER. And I agree with you on Roy resigning himself to execution. I mean, his defense against it probably wouldn't be very good unless he could prove that he had done everything he could to atone for the damages, as it were. Even then, he's going after the Fuhrer-- somthing that's bound to not sit well with womebody... *sighs* I really hope he makes it through this alive.

Turdaewen- Regarding the whole "charging the officials who gave the orders and not the soldiers who carried them out" idea: I really hope that's how it goes. That way, he and Riza can get together. Yay, Royai!

And, as usual, I have started posting (and finished writing the chapters for) a new Royai story on ff.net. I dunno if I put the news out on this one at all, so, here goes:

Title: To Dance With the Devil
Genre: Romance/General (A bit o' angst, a touch of family/friendship, a little hurt/comfort, and a slight bit supernatural-- Couldn't really decide what it had most of.)
Summary: Set to the lot of Trans-Siberian Orchestra’s concept CD, “Beethoven’s Last Night”. Roy Mustang struggles to find the meaning his music once gave him as he slowly goes deaf. Having lost everything –and everyone- he holds dear, a deal with the devil himself seems to be Roy’s only chance. Is Roy’s soul going to be bargained away, or can a twist of fate save him?

And no, the summary should not really be shortened. It leaves out WAY too many important things if I do that.


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post Aug 8 2008, 03:06 PM
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frankly, i feel that the only scene where Riza is in character in the entire anime is where she stops the car because he looks like he wants to get out. everyting else.... well, it's partially that Riza's emotional shell is part of her character, and when you make her emotionally avalible, it automatically makes her OOC. then, also, she's far too weak. the manga!Riza Hawkeye would not go running screaming after a hot air balloon.
as for Roy... partially, it's simply his immaturity. then its the lack of RoyAi. then it's his ego. and his playboy attitude. in the manga, his ego is a shell. he acts like he's all that and hates himself inside. in the anime, he just hates himself. Roy needs his ego!shell back. as for his immaturity, its mostly his lack of consideration that bugs me. he didnt consider how going to emo in the North might affect others.not to mention he's simply an idiot. "I see dead people. In my blind eye." Plus, the whole playboy thing... in the manga, his GFs are informants, not a-certain-word-i-can't-say.
i am of the strong opinion that he is not, in the anime, the type of man you would want to lead a country. And frankly, if manga!Riza was somehow transported to the anime, i think she'd shoot him.
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lol
She would DEFINITELY shoot the anime Roy!! lmao

And why the hell people think Roy is a ladies' man?? Really, I don't they're reading the same manga as I am! O.o

The deal about Riza in the anime is that she simply doesn't show up as much! I mean, there, I think theres only ONE moment you see her outside her work: the last chapter. And she will look cold at work, because she takes it seriously. At the anime, she's little more than 'one of the people in the military'... in the manga, she's one of the main characters aside the Ed/Al/Winry trio.
More than that, the military do not 'just happens to be there because Ed became a military'. They have part in history and their own deals.


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jacksparrow589 - I'll read your story tomorrow...it's kind of late now where I am...

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frankly, i feel that the only scene where Riza is in character in the entire anime is where she stops the car because he looks like he wants to get out. everyting else.... well, it's partially that Riza's emotional shell is part of her character, and when you make her emotionally avalible, it automatically makes her OOC. then, also, she's far too weak. the manga!Riza Hawkeye would not go running screaming after a hot air balloon.
as for Roy... partially, it's simply his immaturity. then its the lack of RoyAi. then it's his ego. and his playboy attitude. in the manga, his ego is a shell. he acts like he's all that and hates himself inside. in the anime, he just hates himself. Roy needs his ego!shell back. as for his immaturity, its mostly his lack of consideration that bugs me. he didnt consider how going to emo in the North might affect others.not to mention he's simply an idiot. "I see dead people. In my blind eye." Plus, the whole playboy thing... in the manga, his GFs are informants, not a-certain-word-i-can't-say.i am of the strong opinion that he is not, in the anime, the type of man you would want to lead a country. And frankly, if manga!Riza was somehow transported to the anime, i think she'd shoot him.


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More than that, the military do not 'just happens to be there because Ed became a military'. They have part in history and their own deals.


I love you people.

I hate how in the anime they have to practically put aside seperate episodes just to give lines to people like Falman, Breda, Fuery and Havoc. As for Riza, she was totally out of character and if i only watched the anime, i think i'd dislike her. And Roy. And RoyAi. Luckily i read manga first. She's way to weak, one-sided personality and doesn't seem to have much self respect. Roy just sucks at life in general.


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I didn't think the anime was bad, persay, I just like the manga a lot more. I like Hawkeye's character and the lack of the overwhelming emo!Roy-ness. The ending bugged me too, but I can hold out hope that the actual creator of the series will give us something more satisfying in the manga. *knock wood*


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I'm sure Arakawa's ending will be a LOT better than the anime's.

jacksparrow589 - Yay!!! Fanfic! ^^ I'll read yours as soon as I can. Who knows, I might even get inspired to go back to writing myself. \o/

RoyxRizaFan - I've watched the anime first. But, then Roy was just a comic character then and Riza... well... lets just say I only knew her name by heart towards the last 3rd of the anime. But I loved Al in the anime. (in the manga, then, a LOT more, as EVERYTHING, which somewhat highlighted to me in the manga) And Ed and Winry, too... but the military... not as much.
Let's just say only got to REALLY know Roy and Riza in the manga.


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