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If Alphonse Was A Girl, No, seriously
Toby-Chan
post Apr 24 2005, 06:12 PM
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We all love Al, right? He's widespreadly loved for his patience, optimism, helpfulness and unconditional kindness.

Somehow, it seems, female characters with similar traits are frequently, even viciously hated. (See for example; Tohru from Fruits Basket) There's little tolerance among fans for meek or shy girls. (Sometimes, it's just an intolerance for girls in general, unless they have the ability to blow things up)

I suppose the point here, is that, as I've seen the argument in several topics, and thought some discussion about double standards might be in order.

So, theoretically, if Alphonse was with the same, only he was Edward's little sister, say, Alice, don't you suppose there might be more dislike for our younger Elric? That maybe there would be ridiculous fangirls posting on the gallery saying things along the lines of

"God, I hate Alice. She's such a useless character. She needed her brother to save her, and she should be grateful, but she can't fight worth crap and she's always getting kidnapped. And she's way too trusting of everyone. What an idiot. She's just a whiny little brat with a brother complex."

Similarly, if Edward had an old mechanic buddy back in Rizenbool, say "William", perhaps; a quirky energetic, happy-go-lucky kind of guy, who can't fight or do anything extraordinary, but still supports his friends, and cares about them, don't you suppose there'd be more comments about how cute it is that Edward has such a nice friend rather than complaints about uselesness, and how much time William spends with his shirt off?

Yeah, just a passing thought. I supposed people might want to add their opinions, positive, negative, or must-kill-Toby.

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post Apr 24 2005, 06:14 PM
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Interesting....

I suppose Ed and Al--*cough* Alice's relationship would be a little different, but I wouldn't mind a bit. I'd just be brother/sister rather than brother/brother. And about the Winry/William thing? Well for one thing, EdxWinry would have a lot less fans. XD


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post Apr 24 2005, 06:16 PM
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Hey, what da ya know, I was thinking of Ed having a little sister too. But except that Al is not the little sister. Both Ed and Al would hav a little sister of 4 years old. I imagin how they would act.............
I don't knowwwwwww, Ed might like his sister to death, Ed is not that mean....
He would act like Hughes and go around showing off his sister's cutness.
Ed having a little sister not might be bad, but FMA is all about brothers bond, not sisters bond.


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post Apr 25 2005, 11:08 AM
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I know exactly what you mean, and I've had this same conversation with my friends. There's an alarming amount of hate out there for "useless" girls. I for one do not find Winry useless at all. Has anyone noticed that the girl is a fantastic (though reckless) driver, an unusually skilled and innovative mechanic, and a talented inventor? If it's mechanical, she can make it dance the rumba on the head of a pin. But because she never got the chance in the anime to skewer anyone on a welding torch, she's considered "useless" by many fans. There are more skills out there than getting in fights and using alchemy, you know.

For that matter, yes, Al would probably be bashed to high heaven if he was female. He's sweet and soft-spoken and gentle and loves kitties and has a tendency to burst into tears over small things as well as large. As a female, he would be abhorred for these traits. As a male, he's just adorable.


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post Apr 25 2005, 02:43 PM
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Eh, I donno about the Winry thing, she is very useful, and I don't hate her at all. I think it's just because there are some many insanly *Innocent* females in animes that people kind of get tired of seeing them. I for one don't care, cause thats how Hinata is in the Naruto series. It seems more to me like it's the female fans who hate the girls like that, cause that's generally who is arguing it.

As far as the little sister thing, I donno... I'd rather it be how they made it sleep.gif Maybe a reverse in Ed and Al/ice personalities, or maybe not, who knows.


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post Apr 25 2005, 04:37 PM
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A most interesting thing to think about.

I suppose a trait of the male is to be protective and strong, so when a male character isn't its refreshing and rather sweet.

Yet a girl is expected to be meek and delicate so it becomes irritating after a while. I for one love Winry because she is not these things. Riza shows a rather weak side in ep 51 but as she is usually strong it is accepted.

Ed is short, unusual, be we love him for it. This show is unique in that way really, going against the grain as it were. Yes if Al was a girl it probably would get irritating (for those who are picky about such things). Yet as people have said it would change the relationship to something like he shares with Armony, or would remain just a sweet, protective, caring relationship that annoyed some.

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post Apr 25 2005, 06:44 PM
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That is kinda fun to think about.

Yeah...with his personality and all, I bet I really wouldn't like Al if he was a girl. I guess I just never thought of it that way before.

And what if Ed was a girl? >;O


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post Apr 25 2005, 07:41 PM
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You're absolutely right. I never really thought about it before, but I'll bet anything that if Al were a girl, he'd have hundreds of fangirls flaming him. I guess that's just the nature of fangirls. Maybe not though, it's not like Al is one of those characters who would be completely useless or obnoxious about it. I've been known to complain about damsels-in-distress (*ahem* Rose) and the loud ones like Sailor Moon or the girl from Fushigi Yuugi, but Al is just such a sweetie, and somehow manages to be adorable even as a giant suit of armor. BTW, who could hate Tohru-chan? I wish I knew more people like Al and Tohru in real life.
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post Apr 25 2005, 11:53 PM
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I haven't read/seen Fruits Basket but I have seen what Toru looks like and I reeeeally want to poke her eyes out... and she almost ALWAYS has super huge ugly eyes and a stupid smile(from pics I've seen). I know its wrong to judge based on looks but her eyes are so distracting that I can't get past to understand her.

But as for Al, I didn't really find him to be the useless, trusting type. He is really nice and trusting and sensitive but far from useless. When Edo needs help or when he is placed in a situation where he can't get his act together Al ends up saving him instead(though it doesn't happen as much). At times it seems like Al would be the big brother because of how he handles certain situations(like remaining calm during the whole Nina tragedy, pulling his brother away from danger during their training when they were kids, etc...). Not to mention he is is stronger than Edo in a fight (even before the armor). If he were a girl, nothing much would change except he wouldn't be as cute. People get tired of the same old cute girls... theres too much of them.


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post Apr 26 2005, 06:17 AM
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No offenese...this is a good topic ,but I like Al TO much to even think about what would happen if he was a girl.It would ruin the relationship beacause Older brother/younger sister relationships don't turn out so well.And it certanlly made me and my sister closer,we call each other brother's now instead of sisters


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post Apr 28 2005, 06:55 PM
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Quote by Haldir of Lorien -" No offenese...this is a good topic ,but I like Al TO much to even think about what would happen if he was a girl.It would ruin the relationship beacause Older brother/younger sister relationships don't turn out so well.And it certanlly made me and my sister closer,we call each other brother's now instead of sisters"

Ya I also like al too much too think of him as a girl and Haldir of Lorien i completely agree with you


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Tohru is the bomb, I hate the fact people hate her, she's so strong! About Al I've noticed this too but I don't really like Al that much anyway.


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post Apr 29 2005, 01:31 PM
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Al being a girl...scary thought....


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post Apr 29 2005, 06:51 PM
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post Apr 29 2005, 07:14 PM
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But what do you mean "but she can't fight worth crap"? Even Ed had never beaten Al...So he's good at fighting.


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